TWG 193: Animal Crossing [Game Thread]

[TWG Maple]

Originally Posted by TWG Phil

Apollo has posted a bit since then, they even gave reads on everyone
did the needle not move at all in either direction during any of that?

So, even though they have posted, nothing has really been giving that would make me less suspicious of him. The reads list was abysmal. Other content wasn't much-added information either.

[TWG Julian]

Originally Posted by TWG Phil

w/e
I guess I'm in the minority
I also guess its... ok given that the blocker will probably be here tomorrow to tell tales

I just worry we're missing something obvious here

just don't see the need for any more PRs to out themselves when it's 15 vs 3 vs 1 atm. save it for later

[TWG Apollo]

Originally Posted by TWG Maple

Yeah, Phil explained it, but thought I should answer as well. Me chiding people for not knowing when eod was was actually one of my points for who I voted. Which was and still is Apollo. Don't like them one bit.

So are you just going to vote me, look cute, and hope other people join or are you going to do something about it

[TWG Boomer]

oh goddammit, i'm at what? l-3?

i'm the vigi you clods. i shot dora last night.

i was also not roleblocked so either dora got saved, or i popped a vest.

[TWG Boomer]

i know my vote is already there, but for EMPHASIS
dora

[TWG Phil]

Originally Posted by TWG Boomer

oh goddammit, i'm at what? l-3?

i'm the vigi you clods. i shot dora last night.

i was also not roleblocked so either dora got saved, or i popped a vest.

looooooooooooooool what
dora

[TWG Apollo]

Is it EOD already why are you claiming now

[TWG Phil]

well, at least dora is here for the opcorn:

[TWG Phil]

Originally Posted by TWG Julian

just don't see the need for any more PRs to out themselves when it's 15 vs 3 vs 1 atm. save it for later

Originally Posted by TWG Boomer

oh goddammit, i'm at what? l-3?

i'm the vigi you clods. i shot dora last night.

i was also not roleblocked so either dora got saved, or i popped a vest.

you gotta love crossposts sometimes

[TWG Julian]

alright, that's it, i'm never wolfreading anyone ever again

[TWG Apollo]

I'm not taking my vote off of boomer yet

[TWG Punchy]

Here's a compromise. I'll make slightly shorter posts but still in the same way.

Originally Posted by TWG Fauna

I GUESS but that also would mean aquisitioner didn’t make a play either, so a really strange night??

Originally Posted by TWG Eugene

We can't also forget we have a P.I who COULD have made an asspull and blocked the acquisitioner. It's hard to ignore that, but it's MORE THAN LIKELY what you said Fauna

It also has equal probability of either of the blockers targeting the acquisitioner, but the wolf blocker was probably on Del.
See later for this probability thing wrt Phil

Originally Posted by TWG Phil

kinda something that I think would be worthwhile for a lot of people to do:

If I am a Village Power Role, then last night, my role action was
If I am the Nerfed Doctor, then I saved Del
If I am the Vigi, I shot Mathilda, and she's alive for some reason
If I am the Blocker, I blocked Chief
If I am the PI, I targeted Molly randomly

Yes, I like this idea. Not sure how many other people jumped onto this.
If I'm doctor: Del
If I'm vigi: Mathilda
If I'm blocker: Apollo
If I'm PI: Dora

Originally Posted by TWG Phil

eh, honestly, the fact that there wasn't a nightkill last night at all is very important
I'd assume wolves didn't want to target del, since the nerfed doctor would probably always save del, so maybe the town blocker actually did something for once?

vigilante definitely should've shot though (I'm assuming del was at least roleblocked by the wolves here)

considering asking the roleblocker to out their target

This here? This is dumb though. Not vibing this, mrmpht. There's no way to confirm anything that happened in the night, with the exception of Del. I don't think anyone has counterclaimed him at all, so this is the only real account of the night we can trust. The town blocker could have blocked the wolf, the vigi, or the acquisitioner, or they could have whiffed and any combination of inactions could have complicated this. Yes, we're ahead and have one wolf, but this is just wildly irresponsible and pretty shady, Phil.

Originally Posted by TWG Flurry

If I am the Nerfed Doctor, then I did nothing.
If I am the Vigi, I shot Punchy because I think there's 1 W in Julian/Punchy.
If I am the Blocker, I blocked Del for obvious reasons.
If I am the PI, I targeted Apollo because he was odd early game.

Melba, Dotty, Apollo and Zucker didn't vote last phase.

So, the only surprising one is Apollo.

Interesting votes:

Chief -> Dora
Punchy -> Chief
Maple -> Apollo
Cherry -> Flurry
Fauna -> Dotty

Pretty sure many other people have commented on the top part, but I want to talk about the bottom part regarding votes. You call them interesting, but a number of these people weren't really into EOD very late. Maple wasn't really around, Cherry wasn't really around, and Fauna wasn't really around either. Why are these interesting? This sounds like you're trying to give the impression you're reading into the votes without actually thinking about the perspective behind them. I don't like this, mrmpht.

Originally Posted by TWG Agent S

Classic WIFOM argument. Always going to assume the vanilla outcome when it comes to a PR kill imo, unless there's a convincing argument that wolves shot elsewhere and they got blocked over yonder.

I'm with Agent S here, it's a fool's errand to make specific assumptions about one phase when we haven't even heard from everyone.

Originally Posted by TWG Flurry

Eugene, I just wanted to say; you stop at the weirdest posts.

The Julian post is hardly alignment indicative.
The 5 post minimum thing is not something we can do anything about.
I also don't understand why you would think that it's important for me to find who people are over alignment either.

At least he's really engaging tons of posts. Not saying you're ignoring his other posts, but it seems like you saw the one targeting you and wanted to plug some other posts so it didn't look as defensive.

Originally Posted by TWG Phil

I spent some time during the night thinking about that, ultimately without really getting to a happy conclusion

I forgot to ask him about that
he should've known that Chief wasn't happening, given the momentum on Zucker, I think

but maybe he didn't?

Look at the timing of the vote, mrmpht. It was within the last 90 seconds of EOD, and there was no way I was legitimately going to swing. Truth be told, I wasn't really reading into Zucker that much aside from the fact they weren't here. I didn't like Mathilda out of the inactive bunch over Zucker and the other ones as they were a bit more involved.

And while we're on the topic of Chief, I thought about Chief over the night. I thought I had a read on the player they were, and I thought they were acting wolfy. The player I had in mind usually cracks and crashes out of the thread upon extended provocation, but I reread their posts and progression again and I just didn't see it. I'm cooling off of Chief for now, mrmpht.

Originally Posted by TWG Eugene

Okay I THINK I'm officially caught up...

I like Phil, Flurry, Tank, Punch, and Rolf so far

Apollo is probably a town lean as well.

Can you clarify again why you like Apollo? Was it you who said that they didn't look too crazy since they read EOD incorrectly?

Originally Posted by TWG Fauna

So I’ve been out all day and I’m gonna ISO all these people when I get home but I just wanted to put some thoughts out there to hopefully start some discussion

As mentioned before, punchy and chief look a little too comfortable interacting with zucker.

Matthilda doesn’t seem to be very interested in helping us solve this game at all

Phil is eh for the fake roleclaim suggestions, I feel like that’s something a wolf would find a lot more valuable than a town would

I really didn’t like julians EoD, he seemed to swing all over the place, not even believing his own comments

I'm with you on Mathilda at this point.
Phil's claim suggestion was good, but I think his insistence on the roleblocker is pretty suspect.
I don't agree with you that Julian didn't believe his own comments. His comments on me/del being partners felt like it came from a very consistent mindset throughout EOD. I'm not seeing this, Fauna.
And Zucker? Those were extremely early game interactions. How are you putting so much stake into those?

Originally Posted by TWG Fauna

boomer is currently topping my list of suspects.

He is not getting involved in discussions, the only person in the entire game he challenged was Chief and last but not least he has made one semblance of a read in the game, as a strong town lean, and guess who it was?

Zucker.

You do that here too, mrmpht. Putting lots of stake into early game interactions.

Originally Posted by TWG Cherry

i honestly don't think acqui made a move last night, the odds that the PI hit them are way too low what what

which brings us to either they're inactive af (i.e. one of the replacements) or are trying to lay low for a while

i still don't see much of a reason for them to lay low, a 3rd party is going to want to cull the playerbase as much as possible to try to win

Originally Posted by TWG Cherry

Chief lays down a townread on Zucker, and when asked to explain it just quotes this post with no further explanation what what

upon further rereading he handwaves it away by saying it was a 'tone read' which is completely worthless

I was going to call out Cherry for posting too much about what happened in the night (like the first post here), but I started seeing more posts like the second and I liked it. It feels like Cherry is digging into the right angle for making sense of Zucker. Instead of talking about it blindly like Flurry, or looking at early game interactions like Fauna did, Cherry opted to look into Chief in more detail. Cherry is trending up, what what. Wait a second, that's your line, mrmpht.

Originally Posted by TWG Julian

if you guys think me pushing my case on del is sus then i beg you to go back, read exactly what i wrote about him, then look at his posts in that context and tell me i'm wrong for thinking the way that i did. trying to peg me as a wolf because i ended up being wrong is so lame

See what I said above in my response to Fauna

Originally Posted by TWG Mathilda

l love how people are hopping on my dick about not being active when the phase started during my sleep hours

Did you use the word "hopping" here on purpose? Ha ha! Either way, no, the pressure was the fact that you dipped out of EOD. I don't think anybody was really too concerned about you not being here as soon as phase started.

Originally Posted by TWG Julian

yeah, i was convinced i caught a wolf. it was really obvious wolfplay from my perspective. their posts stunk so bad it was like one small step below a genuine slip. why wouldn't i push that, draw attention to it and get other people to weigh in? i thought we had a better shot with del than picking an inactive at random

I felt similar with Del. Some of the posts they were making were rather awkward, like that "opening their gab" post. I didn't like that. I also mentioned that first "I'm here but not really" post as the start of my suspicion. Being wrong sucks.

Originally Posted by TWG Mathilda

flurry

What do you think of my angle on Flurry, mrmpht?

[TWG Julian]

unvote

[TWG Punchy]

That one took longer than I wanted, mrmpht. Let's kick up the pace!!

[TWG Phil]

Originally Posted by TWG Julian

alright, that's it, i'm never wolfreading anyone ever again

didn't know danceguy was in this game

[TWG Boomer]

look, i get it. i played poorly. i haven't played a power role in literally years. i'm sorry.
but i'd like to at least have some sort of contribution.

[TWG Julian]

i was townreading dora before, and boomer being a wolf was a pretty popular opinion, so i'm leaning more towards boomer being blocked?

[TWG Boomer]

Originally Posted by TWG Apollo

Is it EOD already why are you claiming now

l-3 with over 3 antitowns left and the potential to have that escalate scares me.
i'd rather get that out now, get pressure off me, and more discussion elsewhere.

[TWG Phil]

Originally Posted by TWG Boomer

look, i get it. i played poorly. i haven't played a power role in literally years. i'm sorry.
but i'd like to at least have some sort of contribution.

nonononono
dora was a fine shot
probably is all just unlucky if you're real

sounds like dora is the bulletproof or the acq, so your shot was almost definitely fine

[TWG Boomer]

Originally Posted by TWG Julian

i was townreading dora before, and boomer being a wolf was a pretty popular opinion, so i'm leaning more towards boomer being blocked?

Originally Posted by TWG Boomer

i was also not roleblocked so either dora got saved, or i popped a vest.

like, i did not get told i was roleblocked by our dear isaboo. so unless this game got really fucky, my shot went through.