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Do video games and gamers deserve more respect?
(as art or professionals)
https://youtu.be/XWbfP85ETkQ I thought this clip from JRE might lead to an interesting discussion here
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12-21-2019, 07:47 PM | #2 |
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Watched til 4:15 and decided that there wasn't much of an interesting discussion to really be had here.
I will add though that video games and gamersare getting way more respect and continue to do so over the last decade; I feel like the viewpoint that they are inheritedly harmful or less then any other passive art (like looking at a painting in Italy or whatever) is the minority and on the way out. Once the old timers who are convinced it's just an addiction exit the conversation then there isn't gonna be a conversation |
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Another example that stuck out to me is Picasso's rendition of a World War 2 bombing as a painting is often lauded as a masterpiece, however, we can see many examples of "modern" artistry in renditions of warfare for video games. even in their pre-rendered cutscenes, there is a real amount of artistry that comes to bringing accurate and emotional portrayals of these events to screens to captivate the player, but I don't think anyone would compare the work that goes into a cutscene or even an entire level of a game to art on that scale, even though some games excel in delivering those experiences (eg. CoD is not really a good game, imo, per se, but damn if it doesn't do a good job of telling a great story sometimes. World at War is still one of my favourite games for how it portrays the soviet campaign to berlin)
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12-21-2019, 09:51 PM | #4 |
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Re: Do video games and gamers deserve more respect?
I would argue that the physical cap for both golf and chess (professionally) is much, much higher than 99% of people would figure
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Re: Do video games and gamers deserve more respect?
where they say that older folks don't respect vid games because they don't like what they don't understand
i think that's basically it. the dude with the hair kept stumbling over himself, which made me wonder why i was even listening to the guy. but i mean i guess it's good that they're talking about it |
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Professional chess I'd argue isn't physical at all. It is extremely mentally taxing, however. Especially if you are timed. I think all "pro" chess is timed, right? But on the scale of physical requirements, if you can lift your arm, you can play chess. If you can lift your arm and have extreme mental fortitude, you can play chess *well*. Keep in mind that I am not limiting "physical skill" to just displays of raw power, but also dexterity and speed. I'd wager that Chess takes no raw power, and almost no dexterity and speed. However, the extreme mental capacity required to play chess *well* under the stress of time is probably "maxed out".
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look up a video of like 1-minute chess and you'll see that there's a ton of both dexterity and speed sometimes actually, I'll not be lazy for once https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLp2UbBNm0s (skip to about 3:30) and yes, I know this was not a "professional" game but its not unheard of to see professional players making moves this quickly under certain time controls its a bit more than "if you can pick up the piece and think quickly, you can play chess *well*"
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I should clarify when I say "think quick" I mean in the context of a chess match, I.E. being able to analyze the board and its possibilities, sometimes many moves in advance, as well as analyzing your opponent, their strategy, and sometimes even their past strategy if you have that data available.
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I think it might surprise you to learn that older chess players do better under quicker time controls (the rapid chess champion was once over 70) and there is significant drop-off in age<->rating under slower time controls.
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heyheyhey it's ya girl out here requesting some recognition for watching a 10+ min video by joe rogan
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That level of focus, attention, and effort spikes blood pressure, increases heart rate. All of the top players now approach it like a more traditional sport. They have personal trainers, dietitians, take more care to have downtime between tournaments, it is -very- physically demanding as well as mentally. Heck, Magnus had a spike in performance by developing a better physical sitting position to put less strain on his neck and shoulders. Last edited by Not devonin; 12-22-2019 at 12:18 AM.. |
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could explain a lot
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12-22-2019, 12:22 AM | #14 |
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At the extreme high levels like, the top 8 cut of a world championship or pro tour, the mental taxing can be something like on par.
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does it explain the amount of asscrack? thanks for putting it into perspective for me btw Dev. How long is a typical chess tournament? One week?
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At that level, you can burn around 6000 calories in a day where you play, and their blood pressure hangs around competitive marathon runner levels. |
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i enjoy these facts you are posting
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12-22-2019, 12:39 AM | #18 |
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Fun chess fact:
The 1984 World Chess Championship between Karpov and Kasparov was to be decided "First to 6 wins" Five months and 48 games later, with the record standing at Karpov 5, Kasparov 3 and 40 draws, the Championship was cancelled, due to the strain on the health of the players. Karpov had lost 20 pounds. |
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Re: Do video games and gamers deserve more respect?
decades ago, being a pro chess player (if the term pro can be applied) was not prestigious
you were basically considered a professional gambler I think that, in decades to come, professional gaming will experience a similar change (not to say that I think people view gamers as gamblers, but the addict part could apply) and it will eventually become more prestigious to be a professional gamer
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I don't think anybody currently views Pro Chess as anything like Gambling, and it's probably considered one of the peak pure skill pursuits to which one could apply themselves (I'd say Go, but it has less global appeal by an order of magnitude)
There's been a strong push in the last 5-8 years to bring eSports into the same sphere as traditional sports, and a lot of them have plenty of similarities and with marketing and budgets behind them, they've definitely become a legitimate career path for people who have the facility with them. |
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