12th Official Tournament

[MixMasterLar]

Hell yeah this is starting to get exciting again

[V-Ormix]

yah i gotta say aj you did hold you're own in d8 I was expecting you to have a harder time sooner I knew you're accuracy was good but didn't think you got around to having more solid control but then again you've been one of the top players for eons now :U

[TC_Halogen]

Originally Posted by V-Ormix

yah i gotta say aj you did hold you're own in d8 I was expecting you to have a harder time sooner I knew you're accuracy was good but didn't think you got around to having more solid control but then again you've been one of the top players for eons now :U

I started off pretty poorly. 14 people made it to round 3 after a cumulative round 1/round 2 qualifier. I got 13th.

[V-Ormix]

yah but that's when I'd say the games to hard and do some thing else lmao

[awein999]

i tried in this tournament to the best of my ability but i didn't actively put the time in to train. i would have trained *harder* if i knew about the prizes. assessing blame to anyone for not trying as hard as they can no matter what is not a realistic mindset because not everyone is motivated by the same things.

in the end it's not that big of a deal thank you for running the tournament. i just think coming out and saying it's our fault if we aren't always investing everything we can no matter what in the tournament is irrationally defensive.

[hi19hi19]

tbh I didn't try this tournament to the best of my ability and knowing that there were new prizes probably would have changed that


what it wouldn't have changed was my complete inability to make it to a prize round in my division this tournament anyway so I guess it doesn't matter in the end

[Swedcxzaq]

Well, I mean prizes are nice, but tournaments in general are kind of made for the sport of testing your skills against other players, which is why I signed up.

I view the prizes added midway as a "raising the stakes" or a "bonus" kind of thing, which adds excitement during the livestreams. Since the tournament is two months long, excitement and motivation kind of dwindle as the weeks go by (at least from my experience), so having something like new prizes partway through helps to spice things up again.

[psychoangel691]

Originally Posted by Swedcxzaq

Well, I mean prizes are nice, but tournaments in general are kind of made for the sport of testing your skills against other players, which is why I signed up.

I view the prizes added midway as a "raising the stakes" or a "bonus" kind of thing, which adds excitement during the livestreams. Since the tournament is two months long, excitement and motivation kind of dwindle as the weeks go by (at least from my experience), so having something like new prizes partway through helps to spice things up again.

Well I'm glad at least one person gets it, lol.


Guess going forward I won't do them though, I'd really thought the already added prizes gave enough incentive for people for it to not be a big deal adding in. This also means though that either A. OTs will be less fequent as I have to make sure to secure all prizes before starting. Or B. OTs will just be credits and the same old tokens.

[TC_Halogen]

Originally Posted by awein999

i tried in this tournament to the best of my ability but i didn't actively put the time in to train. i would have trained *harder* if i knew about the prizes. assessing blame to anyone for not trying as hard as they can no matter what is not a realistic mindset because not everyone is motivated by the same things.

in the end it's not that big of a deal thank you for running the tournament. i just think coming out and saying it's our fault if we aren't always investing everything we can no matter what in the tournament is irrationally defensive.

just bolding this to say: I'm not managing this tournament and just acting as a helper, so don't associate this response with the wrong target. This is my opinion as a competitor.

[hi19hi19]

Originally Posted by psychoangel691

Guess going forward I won't do them though, I'd really thought the already added prizes gave enough incentive for people for it to not be a big deal adding in. This also means though that either A. OTs will be less fequent as I have to make sure to secure all prizes before starting. Or B. OTs will just be credits and the same old tokens.

I think this latest set added in should be good for a few more OTs. It's not like the same people will be top 8-ing again so the work done this tournament to provide new token prizes should be motivating enough before a large subset of people again have all the event tokens.

So, it's kind of a non-issue for at least a few more years.

I hope you don't take this personally btw, I think a lot of people share the stance I do where we love the work you put into OTs and appreciate it greatly, but still want to provide the feedback that it would be nice to know the prizes before the tournament starts.

[psychoangel691]

Originally Posted by hi19hi19

I think this latest set added in should be good for a few more OTs. It's not like the same people will be top 8-ing again so the work done this tournament to provide new token prizes should be motivating enough before a large subset of people again have all the event tokens.

So, it's kind of a non-issue for at least a few more years.

I hope you don't take this personally btw, I think a lot of people share the stance I do where we love the work you put into OTs and appreciate it greatly, but still want to provide the feedback that it would be nice to know the prizes before the tournament starts.

The tokens aren't OT exclusive........

[psychoangel691]

You know what, nevermind my opinion will just stir up drama.

I will from here on out, not start an OT until all prizes including donated prizes are filled in. That way there's no issues about this again.

[hi19hi19]

Originally Posted by psychoangel691

This also means going forward if someone presents a prize they'd like to add during the event it will be denied.

Perhaps having the initial tournament post up longer would help alleviate this?
This OT only had two weeks notice or so, maybe stretching that out by an extra week or two would allow not only prizes to be sorted out ahead of time, but also more time to collect sign-ups?

That should also make your job easier, not harder, since prizepool is one more thing you won't have to worry about mid-tournament.

As for the "principle" of competition, obviously it would be great if everyone competed their best all the time on everything ever, but the fact remains that sometimes something as silly as a pack of ramen or a meaningless token on your meaningless profile can be a nice thing to work towards

[psychoangel691]

Originally Posted by hi19hi19

Perhaps having the initial tournament post up longer would help alleviate this?
This OT only had two weeks notice or so, maybe stretching that out by an extra week or two would allow not only prizes to be sorted out ahead of time, but also more time to collect sign-ups?

That should also make your job easier, not harder, since prizepool is one more thing you won't have to worry about mid-tournament.

You say this as if it's not been done before. I've had MONTHS set aside for things only to get nowhere. So, no.
I didn't have to worry about it mid-tournament. I WANTED to surprise people, and most people vocally had enjoyed it up until now, lol. So is what it is I guess.


Edit to your edit: That's just it though, the ramen was there, the necklaces were there, dev's perlers were there. There was plenty to strive for. So to me imo complaining that one didn't give it their all because of prizes over a token makes no sense. Because there were prizes to go for, it's not like there was no incentive at all.

[tosh]

Opkiller with 4 clean and Beary with 6-0-0-2.

Even though there is now a D8, D7 is still insane.

[hi19hi19]

Originally Posted by psychoangel691

This also means though that either A. OTs will be less fequent as I have to make sure to secure all prizes before starting.

Originally Posted by psychoangel691

I didn't have to worry about it mid-tournament. I WANTED to surprise people, and most people vocally had enjoyed it up until now, lol.

Oh, I took the earlier quote to mean that you were worrying about securing prizes after starting.

[TheSaxRunner05]

Now sure, I've always wanted the tokens, but who doesn't like collecting things? I liked how vRofl eventually got other ways to be given out, and who knows, maybe these eventually will to. I'm fine with these tokens being added.

I think the main problem is structural - it now takes 64 tournament quality files to run an OT, and you need a batch of at least 100 songs to pull from to make it work out nicely. If people didn't have to wait a year, maybe they'd be more willing to hear this out?

Suggestion - a recurring event that uses in game files (Monthly?) where top 3 to 5 players can earn tokens. Make the final round only brand new charts, and the finalists can have exclusive access to these for however long the round is. After the round, the songs would go public (kind of like how some songs would be "vet only" for a time back in the day). This would add at least 8 charts to the game a month.

Thank you for running the tournament, running events is a very time consuming process and I'm greatful for the time that's been put into it. There were lots of bangers added to the game this year.

[psychoangel691]

Originally Posted by TheSaxRunner05

Now sure, I've always wanted the tokens, but who doesn't like collecting things? I liked how vRofl eventually got other ways to be given out, and who knows, maybe these eventually will to. I'm fine with these tokens being added.

I think the main problem is structural - it now takes 64 tournament quality files to run an OT, and you need a batch of at least 100 songs to pull from to make it work out nicely. If people didn't have to wait a year, maybe they'd be more willing to hear this out?

Suggestion - a recurring event that uses in game files (Monthly?) where top 3 to 5 players can earn tokens. Make the final round only brand new charts, and the finalists can have exclusive access to these for however long the round is. After the round, the songs would go public (kind of like how some songs would be "vet only" for a time back in the day). This would add at least 8 charts to the game a month.

Thank you for running the tournament, running events is a very time consuming process and I'm greatful for the time that's been put into it. There were lots of bangers added to the game this year.

The only token here that's OT exclusive, for the time being, is V0, everything else is an event token obtainable during any official event. So I really don't get the major issue with it.
And actually I don't get it 'cause the V0 was announced prior to the top 8, so it was known in the round it was relevant for.

I already wanted and suggested doing in-game file OT's during the year, I got chewed out about new content. As I said, there's always someone who's not satisfied. I've suggested a million and one things, the majority of the time it's ignored or received negatively. I am only one human person vs an entire community of people who want different things.

[TheSaxRunner05]

Having more frequent events would help update people's level ranks too so they end up with scores reflecting their skill more often. Let's face it, intentionally or not, most people play casually 10 months out of the year and then try-hard for prizes, people are bound to be under placed by our system. Especially with more and more players coming from other games like Osu and Etterna. I'm not saying my suggestion will fix sandbagging (intentional or not) in principle, but at least they'd be getting bumped up more often. And when it's only 1 month until the next event, it's not so bad.

[TheSaxRunner05]

Sorry I didn't see the response I was typing an addendum. Its true we can't appease everyone. If the current once a year mega tournament style is more popular, then sure. If people don't like change, then I don't think that leaves much room for them to critique the current system.