TWG CLXXII - TWGood End!

[Hakulyte]

I can see a wolf Manti capitalizing on how I read inDheart to make me town read him for pushing inDheart.

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by inDheart

raeko thinks shado and yeti could be w/w based on their in-thread interactions as if they were using the thread as wolfchat/coaching

That does make sense.

Do you think TWG Ike used the gimmick about asking a question to push the game in the wrong direction ?

[AragakiAyase]

did manti even interact with shado or vice versa? I can't recall anything substantial

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

did manti even interact with shado or vice versa? I can't recall anything substantial

I don't either, I think they haven't paid much attention to each others all game.

[TWG Ike]

ppl putting me and "being coached" in the same sentence is offensive tbh

[TWG Ike]

"Manti - Null, slight scum. Seems off at times and a bit overmechanical. He's made a lot of posts about how much other people are posting, but his own analyses, while seeming to want to dive into mindset, feel lacking."

asmo's ending read on manti

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by TWG Ike

"Manti - Null, slight scum. Seems off at times and a bit overmechanical. He's made a lot of posts about how much other people are posting, but his own analyses, while seeming to want to dive into mindset, feel lacking."

asmo's ending read on manti

this is a partner read if I've ever seen one tbh

[Hakulyte]

TWG Ike/AA timing is kind of silly here, but okay.

[Hakulyte]

I thought you TWG Ike wrote this and AA quoted the read list instead of TWG Ike.

nvm

[inDheart]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

That does make sense.

Do you think TWG Ike used the gimmick about asking a question to push the game in the wrong direction ?

not really because the people in the know have seemed to ignore the gimmick part of it, and the people not are e.g. you and blind who are reading it more for the gimmick part than the idea part, i think

the gimmick doesn't really affect the game but the ideas might

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by LightManticorex2

Not sure, I've read the thread, but I haven't delved into what create the forces driving this lynch.

Dunno if I have the time to do so either pre EOD.

I just feel like that's what is haappeening.

doesn't feel like it
are you losing effort because you feel like your team was winning AKA steering a mislynch between xel/blind?

Originally Posted by LightManticorex2

Haku missing from EOD is triggering me.

I agree with this though
if manti/haku are w/t then manti lucked out with haku having a pretty lackluster eod
maybe I'm scumreading manti for placing an early and unmoving vote. I made this mistake last game with sunfan and I felt like shit
hmmm
does manti bus this early?

Originally Posted by LightManticorex2

I'd also move to xel here, but I think I'll stick with my stale ass vote on Haku.

ok perhaps not w/w

Originally Posted by inDheart

i hereby declare we can lynch anyone now and stop sealing people off for irl

fight me I want to be able to play TWG even if I have one phase which sucks ass for activity

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

That's kind of funny that Shado left a read list before going rip, we might be able to find something here.

him choosing to vote you at the end of it all while having you listed as null/slight scum over raeko (listed as full scum lean) makes you look better (I know this was said but did people look at the wording of his reads? maybe later but definitely not here fight me)

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

what do you mean by this

it actually meant nothing I was drunk off my ass
this is not an example of our typical exchanges

I will make a summarized "here are all of my posts and thoughts jammed together" list after this is all caught up and done

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by inDheart

not really because the people in the know have seemed to ignore the gimmick part of it, and the people not are e.g. you and blind who are reading it more for the gimmick part than the idea part, i think

the gimmick doesn't really affect the game but the ideas might

I haven't made a compilation of all the questions asked and where it could lead us, but I think it's worth revisiting in the later phases.

I do like seeing new ideas. I'm just in the dark with TWG Ike's meta and how normal that may be.

[TWG Ike]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

InD - Town.

Charu - Probably town. He's shitposted a bit more than I remember being normal, but the periods where he focuses in and shares reads or suspects something is what I've come to expect from town!Charu. His obtuseness in the Xel thing seemed genuine, despite how tilting it was. What I liked most was #338, where his shitposts were interrupted a brief moment where he shared his thoughts and then told sunfan that he was watching him. I'll have to reassess tomorrow, but I'm not lynching him today.

DBP - town-lean. He's been pushing and solving this phase, and is generally looking like Detective Backpack. Want to see him follow the same trajectory tomorrow, but I'm liking the mindset he takes in calling people out, and the one he took in the Xel/Charu/Yeti interaction where he figured out where Xel was coming from but didn't want to respond for fear of spoiling Xel.

Xel - Slight townlean. I seem to be the only one who likes his anger and emotional responses, but it is what it is. Seems to be frustrated for townier reasons than not, but I'll elaborate at a different time.


AA - Null-slight town. Seems good so far. Like his interactions with sunfan early on when sunfan was talking about inD and mindmelds. Nothing out of his scumrange though so he's here for now.

Blindreper - Frustrated town. Just a feeling no time to elaborate.

Haku - Null, slight scum. He seemed better earlier on (except for the post where he said he was going to sleep instead of shitposting. he later said that post was a shitpost tho so rip), but the more I read the more I noticed a distinct lack of the usual paranoia and tinfoiling I expect from Haku. Posts like #1174, #1116, and #1120, reassure me a bit, but I feel like town!Haku doesn't go through D0 without pushing forward these insane theories and constantly tinfoiling everything.

kirkfan2255 - Null. She's been different than what I remember her in Game 7. She had the balls of steel to commit to her reads and vote first on F3 in the tournament game, and I don't see that here. It's D0 though, and she replaced into Champs G7 really late, so I'm willing to give her time.

Roundbox - Totes Null. Don't remember him doing anything and don't have time to look it up.

Manti - Null, slight scum. Seems off at times and a bit overmechanical. He's made a lot of posts about how much other people are posting, but his own analyses, while seeming to want to dive into mindset, feel lacking.

sunfan - Null, slight scum. 10:57 no time

Yeti - Slight scumlean. Playing super differently than expected. No time.

Raeko (mellon) - Scum lean. Can't see a solving mindset behind any of her posts. #690 was her readslist and she basically gave townreads to a bunch of people and declared everyone else null. Also this is an old read but she's the queen of UTR when she's scum or third-party, and that's exactly the sort of play I've seen from her today. The one redeeming post where I get a hint of solving was when she said trying to get the alien to claim was more scum than not (about sunfan). I don't really agree with that conclusion, but I can see where she's coming from.

full reads list to compare

of note manti is one of the few nulls to get more than "no time" - asmo doesn't put "no time" on manti's line at all

iunno i'm not convinced it's w/w cause asmo has a lot of people in "null/slightly scummy" that he could just be shading for later mislynch purposes... but i also think he's likely hiding a teammate within this cluster so he can be like "see! i said they were scummy!" despite never actively pushing his teammate.

[LightManticorex2]

Originally Posted by Charu

Probably Xel, since he too partook in the shitposts and hasn't really contributed anything either (and flat out went out and said he's not reading anything for the first 40 pages).

...But you agreed with him, and I guess because you agreed with him he's not on your list.

Originally Posted by Charu

But then I have to ask myself actually if Xel would want to spotlight himself like that?

Probs not after a little thinking, so not as shady as I thought he was initially after that thought went through my head.

...

So my real answer is Manti for picking on my boy inDheart for being "fluffy". Why hasn't he done it on me? I'm sure my posts are filled with it, or maybe he's so accustomed to me that he didn't question it.

*Mystery....................*

Originally Posted by Charu

Requoting because I wanna say who I would vote with this list.

*AHEM*

Would vote blind (Acting literally the same as previous WOLF game)
Would vote Shadow (Not a whole lot of content, has said repeated things, but probably due to not being here [and he seems to be sort of catching up now as I'm typing this] so this is probably a red herring)
Wouldn't vote mellon (She's somewhat active, this is a good sign, trust me)
Wouldn't vote kirk (Has posted reads, plus too little posts so no info really gained since reads were pretty surface [As they should anyways D0].)
Wouldn't vote Backpack (but this can change barring the next 20 or so hours.)
Unsure with roundbox (would before, after random iso on me... idk)
Would vote Manti (Being super active and unusually proddy when past TWG's have shown he's not a fan of D0 interactions due to no info.)

...

Another thing about Manti, remember when he said his "meta" was he was more active if whatever alignment was doing bad?

Yeah, I'm not gonna let go of that statement, mister! You're being active now, and town is most certainly not in a pinch!!!

Originally Posted by Charu

Well good for you, just did a quick skim on wolf roles and I don't see any benefit of being in the spotlight.

So... you might be town. Or at the very least, not scum aligned, lmao.

Originally Posted by Charu

blind is certainly not doing himself any favors with his plays at the moment. Almost 1:1 from his previous WOLF game as I've mentioned before.

Originally Posted by Charu

You're kind of playing exactly like last time, how do you want me to read you?

Originally Posted by Charu

PS, last time = WOLF game, as I've been saying.

Originally Posted by Charu

Thing is "why" though. I think Xel's been sketchy, but at least Xel doesn't want to die. Blind on the other hand is apparently "okay" with it.

Originally Posted by Charu

Sigh...

backpack... if I follow you and you're right, I'm gonna sheep you the entire game.

You went back and forth heavily on Xel, which is apparent from the above, but you also said Blind was 1:1 a wolf with his previous games at least twice. You also cleared xel a couple times and then kept circling back to him after fingering blind and later Haku for a bit.

I don't understand why you sheeped backpack after rationalizing you were okay with him several times, but reflecting on it I kinda did too, I just didn't follow his vote, but I did the same.

Ehhhhh I feel weird about this while I was digging into it now.

[TWG Ike]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

I haven't made a compilation of all the questions asked and where it could lead us, but I think it's worth revisiting in the later phases.

I do like seeing new ideas. I'm just in the dark with TWG Ike's meta and how normal that may be.

normal af m8y

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

I haven't made a compilation of all the questions asked and where it could lead us, but I think it's worth revisiting in the later phases.

I do like seeing new ideas. I'm just in the dark with TWG Ike's meta and how normal that may be.

idk about scum game, but town game based on what I saw in finals was:

huge post volume (n/a here because burnout) and tons of asking questions

throwing out thoughts (THOTS) and thinking aloud (check)

paranoia/tinfoil out the roof (not seeing this as much here, but I don't think that's necessarily a scumtell)

looking for fellow town (check I think)

[TWG Ike]

charu why is your vote on manti and not blind if per the above quote you think he's playing exactly to his last wolf game? what is your blind progression looking like?

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by TWG Ike

full reads list to compare

of note manti is one of the few nulls to get more than "no time" - asmo doesn't put "no time" on manti's line at all

iunno i'm not convinced it's w/w cause asmo has a lot of people in "null/slightly scummy" that he could just be shading for later mislynch purposes... but i also think he's likely hiding a teammate within this cluster so he can be like "see! i said they were scummy!" despite never actively pushing his teammate.

I think it's interesting that shado makes that post, yet just a little bit earlier he had this one

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

I'm mostly caught up and working on a reads list.

just real quick 'cause EoD is in T-90 minutes and so far it looks like it's going the wrong way:

Don't want to lynch blind. I've recently been in the position of realizing that making posts that absolutely suck ass does not mean that person is scum, and I also had the same experience with blindreper last game where I actually did want to lynch him and it ended up that he was town. His posts, while sucking, actually look like frustrated town!blind more than not though

I don't like scumfan, Raeko(mellonxcollie), and Yeti most, but I'm reluctant to lynch either sunfan or Yeti. Sunfan because I'm reluctant to, and Yeti because I invited her and that's rude. Reasons and bigger reads list upcoming.

manti is on the same tier as sunfan in the main reads list, yet he's not mentioned here? it's very unlikely that the read suddenly would have changed in the time between the two posts because manti made very few posts in between the two

[AragakiAyase]

obvious caveat about read on manti changing is that shado was a wolf, but it still stands that it's odd that he's not included in the initial group of scumreads, but earns the "null, slight scum" line in the end

[inDheart]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

I might like this post a little more than I should, but it looks good. I like that he doubled down on his townlean of blind (post I quoted is soft-defense of his read)

is this like when i thought i had a good read on xel last game and sunfan as a wolf agreed with me

i just don't really know why you save both xel and blind unless you're following manti's line of thinking, but while also null->scumreading manti