TWG CLXXII - TWGood End!

[AragakiAyase]

agree with charu that I don't really remember manti strongly pushing haku as a counter to xel/blind

he mentioned it some but didn't push it as strongly as I would have liked to see

going to ISO him now

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by TWG Ike

charu/mellon w/w

who else think it

no and why

[AragakiAyase]

sad that so few people have posted today lol

[TWG Ike]

mellon makes a few posts and charu's read on her becomes a lot more townie off those posts

could've been a teammate shifting room tone on mellon by emphasizing the recent posts as good

thats all

[Charu]

Originally Posted by TWG Ike

mellon makes a few posts and charu's read on her becomes a lot more townie off those posts

could've been a teammate shifting room tone on mellon by emphasizing the recent posts as good

thats all

Most of it was because of one post that I quoted. She didn't NEED to tell us what she would've done if she were here, but she did anyways.

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by TWG Ike

mellon makes a few posts and charu's read on her becomes a lot more townie off those posts

could've been a teammate shifting room tone on mellon by emphasizing the recent posts as good

thats all

plausible but idt that's what's going on here

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by LightManticorex2

You know, thinking back on it, the last time backpack blew up at me was the live twg where Mellon was the seer and I called the wolves bad for missing her d0 soft.

And backpack was a wolf there.

I'll have to reread this with that mindset later.

this is pretty eh

I'm a firm believer that ltwg and forum twg are two very different beasts and trying to look for similarities in behavior will burn you

[AragakiAyase]

so results of the manti iso

pushes ind some for what he thinks is stream of consciousness posting as a wolf starting here

Originally Posted by LightManticorex2

Indy about to get my vote for trying to stream of conscious post as a wolf.

ends up backing off and coming to ind at null/slight town

Originally Posted by LightManticorex2

Okay I can see this thought process I guess.

I still have problems with the fluffiness of some of the other items you responded to, but they're less serious accusations.

Originally Posted by LightManticorex2

He was my top town up until his "catch up posts". Went to slight wolf during that and is currently sitting at slight human or null.

(chronologically this is later but it's useful here)

Originally Posted by LightManticorex2

I like and agree with a lot of AA's read list.

Only differences are

Haku would be a gun to head wolf
Dabackpack would be down with the slight towns

agrees with my reads list with a few differences, the haku read is consistent from what was posted on darkmanticore where he thought haku was making excuses

Originally Posted by LightManticorex2

I'm not sure what's up with Haku this game, but generally he has absolutely no trouble creating content. He's way under his usual top 3 postcount which is meta-y but consistent in his last 4-5 games.

more suspicion of haku

Originally Posted by LightManticorex2

The end of this phase is getting really out of hand.

I'm up for lynching roundbox or Haku and maaaaaaaaybe Indy.

3 hours to EOD, says he's down for roundbox/haku and maybe ind

Originally Posted by LightManticorex2

I don't like your post content, I don't like how other people are "stealing your thunder" and it's minimizing the amount of posts you make. I don't like the amount of excuses you've made this game.

It's a good start.

responds to haku outlining his read after haku votes him

Originally Posted by LightManticorex2

It's a combination of both things, and you acknowledging your posting is different this game (be it through being a wolf or simply changing things up, or using the excuse you are changing things up as cover for being different as a wolf) makes it hard to sort out where your loyalties lie.

more elaboration

Originally Posted by LightManticorex2

I didn't say "Blind is town" ffs you don't get to put words in my mouth.

I said blind gets lynched every game. Often by me. Him being lynched now or later makes no difference to me.

That being said he gets mislynched a lot because he doesn't know how to respond appropriately to pressure.

If we're gonna lynch him it's. Better off doing it early, but in reality xel bs blind just feels like an inevitable fight we are getting pushed into and I hate it.

It happens EVERY GAME.

Originally Posted by LightManticorex2

And the fight is generally wolf driven because they are both easy to mislynch.

30 minutes to EOD, says he feels blind vs xel is something that we're being pushed into, probably by wolves

Originally Posted by LightManticorex2

Haku missing from EOD is triggering me.

4 minutes to EOD, here's his next mention of haku

Originally Posted by LightManticorex2

Haku what makes you leave the thread feeling like xel is town, and do a 180 to wanting to lynch him.

he asks haku about what makes him change his stance on xel, keeps the vote

tldr

manti pushes ind early on, moves him to null/slight town, floats him as a distant lynch possibility. was suspicious of haku very early for excuses, goes back to pushing him on the later half of d1 (d0) up until 2.5 hours per day. when the blind vs xel fight really starts heating up during the last 1-1.5 hours of EOD, he doesn't say anything about haku, only a vague comment about how haku not being here is triggering him. I don't think you can really call this pushing a counter wagon to what you believe is t v t. would like to see manti's response to this

[AragakiAyase]

blind can you post more please

has your read on yeti/ike changed at all

do you have any new reads

[AragakiAyase]

also yeti where are your reads at?

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

I am considering having specific roles claim today

That post catched my attention earlier on because there might be a way to push the game further for PoE with some claims, but that may be slightly too early still.

We're like 7:2 (-1 because alien) so, that kind of play may be a next phase thing.

The brainless yolo all the way play could be to have every PR claim and try to find the wolves within what's left of the player pool. I think one PR could have a green check in theory this phase as well.

Depending on who it is, that could also remove another person and it's also clearing 3 players at least. You add that to the current reads and we should be in a good spot.

Possibly even more if someone used investigation and caught something.

DBP only asked for specific roles to claim and that sounds more optimal for this phase. You probably don't want Eternalisk to claim here, but you may want to make their shooting pool smaller.

I think we can wait it out, but we probably don't want to do that in mylo/lylo ever either.

I guess this is mostly useful for clearing Alien hypothetically speaking assuming Alien is town and decided to not claim yet.

[AragakiAyase]

haku what are your reads

mechanics are great and all but reads

[Hakulyte]

About Manti, I just feel like that if I push him, I'm going to dig my own grave even if I happen to be right. I was waiting for more content to try to get anywhere with him.
So, I stayed on alert with him to see how his game would evolve, but it's like we stayed in stalemate with each others about really making a case.

inDheart feels forgettable this game which is not good for him because that's how he played it as wolf previously. (I can find that game if you want, it's the one with chosen ones)

Raeko tone looks really good, but the mention of her doing a random.org vote and not being able to post it is what I consider more random than unique.
Same thing with her saying that Savior probably failed to protect someone and rip. I think Savior would simply defend no one N1 and bank on the N2/N3/N4/N5 etc. night actions because they're really good.

TWG Ike and Charu have been keeping this thread active and I like that attempt at progress overall.

Blind looked good D0, but I hope he gives some new thoughts for this phase as well. He's like dancing around null for me because it's like he's wasting his own potential for game progress considering how pure he looked beforehand.

Roundbox said he was coming back in 4 hours or something a while ago. I'm assuming he should appear at any point now (?)

I thought you were with Manti when this phase started, but you pushing Manti right now is kind of breaking this w/w idea that I had from both of you.

Not sure what to think of DBP at this point and time, but D0 tone looked good with the XelNya push. It didn't feel like he made that up.

[Hakulyte]

I still have Manti/inDheart as null slight scum.

Raeko still look good despite what I said because her tone is more important than actions and these are not significant actions.

I may have to revisit TWG Ike/Charu to try to figure out if the help overall was beneficial for town or not.

Still giving a pass to Blind because of D0, I don't see any real bullshit.

Roundbox read is depending on what he's about to post.

You and DBP are null territory, but gun to the head, I'm probably saving DBP before you because of tone.

[TWG Ike]

smells like town but i could b bad
dabackpack - actively doing stuff and i agree with a lot of their posts/points. i wish i had more to say on this read but i don't really sense an agenda in their posts or like, an intent to mislynch people. idk
AA - there was one post where AA said i TR him for "apparently" mindmelding (i wanted to make the same post AA did a couple times in response to other posts) and i kinda double-taked at that doubt of the mms after finals but i guess AA could think i'm trying to pocket him with fakemelds; otherwise i think this looks p town
charu - manti (i think)'s point about wanting to SR the above 3 for SRing him (lol) made me think that yeah, i'm not sure how much charu is proactively trying to scumhunt. his posts are very reactive in that he has a lot of posts, commenting about stuff, and he does ask some questions, but there are very few instances he pulls out his magnifying glass and tracks stuff down that i remember. i kinda sheep this 1 cause seems like lot of other ppl think this is par for the course in charu's towngame and i feel like it is the same from our hydra game

may b town
haku - asmo EoD has a lot to do with this read i think, xelnya was asmo's "designated TR" in that asmo TR xelnya when xelnya was on the table for lynching and chose haku over xelnya, over his top SR of mellon. was asmo trying to bus haku d1? i don't think asmo was in a particularly strong position, so maybe, for towncred, defend town!xelnya and bus scum!haku, but i think it's more likely asmo went to a rival town wagon he DIDN'T think was going to win over xelnya

framed-by-asmo scum
mellon - asmo spent the most time writing a SR on mellon of all his nulls/scum leans, but switched off mellon to haku to try and save designated TR xelnya it would seem. can't help but wonder if mellon UTRs d1 so asmo accurately puts the "mellon is UTR scum" read out there but then never does much to get OTHER people to vote with him, and doesn't end his vote there. i guess i haven't seen much from the slot to dispute her being scum so this read is flexible. i also think asmo may have been cognizant both he and at least one of his partners were in the bottom half of the posters when i made a lynchpool of them.
InDheart - aka smilefires for the confused. think his read on asmo and asmo's read on him are very similar no-reason fake reads. and maybe asmo put InD there to be another Designated TR. do w/w asmo and InD both reply in some form about how to ISO/check postcounts on this forum to me? i dunno does helpful!scum get them towncred here? lol. like can anyone tell me InD's contributions to this game towards solving it? he had a SR and vote on me (iirc) he went back on today saying i'm not w/w with asmo. have we seen anything further on his scumreads?

dont rly trust u theres a scum in this pool if 1 of the above 2 is town
blind - honestly he and manti's posts kinda blend in to me and i forget who pushed what exactly. i think the shadiest thing here is he went on the whole YETI IS SCUM FOR ASKING QUESTIONS and framed "who else think it" as a genuine bid for public opinion so i can blend in (lol.) - yet wound up pushing for the lynch to be between xelnya and someone (haku?), not me. he also had this "hey newbies xelnya and i ALWAYS flame each other dw" post early in the game that, considering xelnya was asmo's Designated Town, i can't help but wonder if it was scum trying to push aside xelnya SRing him at some point - oh this always happens but xelnya (and i) are both town lolz just let us spat. his push on me felt very OMGUS and he wasn't even pushing for my lynch by the end of it.
manti - i think he had some good posts today but then ppl dredge up quotes of his from yesterday and i'm like yep shadynasty i remember.
roundbox - does he have any useful contributions to this game?

[TWG Ike]

i have little to say about manti and roundbox's posts and to an extent dabackpack's which means a. i should reread b. something about their posts isn't productive or trying to stand out/help (this doesn't rly apply to dbp bc they do have a lot of posts trying to flesh stuff out)

[TWG Ike]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

About Manti, I just feel like that if I push him, I'm going to dig my own grave even if I happen to be right. I was waiting for more content to try to get anywhere with him.

wat

if you're town and he's scum so what if you 'dig your own grave' in accurately pushing him for a lynch and getting a scum flip? town trading 1 of them in a NK for 1 scum lynch is always worth.

dont get this perspective

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

About Manti, I just feel like that if I push him, I'm going to dig my own grave even if I happen to be right. I was waiting for more content to try to get anywhere with him.
So, I stayed on alert with him to see how his game would evolve, but it's like we stayed in stalemate with each others about really making a case.

inDheart feels forgettable this game which is not good for him because that's how he played it as wolf previously. (I can find that game if you want, it's the one with chosen ones)

Raeko tone looks really good, but the mention of her doing a random.org vote and not being able to post it is what I consider more random than unique.
Same thing with her saying that Savior probably failed to protect someone and rip. I think Savior would simply defend no one N1 and bank on the N2/N3/N4/N5 etc. night actions because they're really good.

TWG Ike and Charu have been keeping this thread active and I like that attempt at progress overall.

Blind looked good D0, but I hope he gives some new thoughts for this phase as well. He's like dancing around null for me because it's like he's wasting his own potential for game progress considering how pure he looked beforehand.

Roundbox said he was coming back in 4 hours or something a while ago. I'm assuming he should appear at any point now (?)

I thought you were with Manti when this phase started, but you pushing Manti right now is kind of breaking this w/w idea that I had from both of you.

Not sure what to think of DBP at this point and time, but D0 tone looked good with the XelNya push. It didn't feel like he made that up.

I don't think I'm pushing manti all that hard, more voicing that I'm suspicious of him? why did you think I was with him before that?

also echoing what yeti said about the digging your own grave thing

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by TWG Ike

wat

if you're town and he's scum so what if you 'dig your own grave' in accurately pushing him for a lynch and getting a scum flip? town trading 1 of them in a NK for 1 scum lynch is always worth.

dont get this perspective

His game progression objectively makes sense on me because he wasn't aware of me trying to switch playstyle.

Most of the things I have against him gives him that option to reply back.

tl;dr: I'm starving on content and I feel like I won't get anywhere if I push him.

[Hakulyte]

I think I'm in a tunnel with him since D0 started.