TWG CLXX Anything but Nekopara Game Thread

[Gradiant]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

Read the setup

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=C9%2B%2B

We knew at the time:

CC DD ???

I'm the vigi, so I know

CC DD VV ? <- this has to be T, because there's a SK.

If blind claims either Cop, Doctor, or Vigi, it literally cannot work out in any scenario fmpov.

you're not getting it, you're saying DD is setup-locked and that's one-shot and full. We know we have a full doctor and you're saying if blind claims doctor it doesn't work with the setup and we'd know he'd be lying.

[DaBackpack]

The only way blind MIGHT not have been in contradiction is if he claimed a 1-shot role and I might honestly have forgotten to confirm the existence of the SK in his proposed setup.

But again, claiming a full role always adds 2 dice rolls because that's how the balance of C9++ functions.

1 dice roll adds a one-shot (or replaces a one-shot with a full). 2 dice rolls adds a full.

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by Gradiant

you're not getting it, you're saying DD is setup-locked and that's one-shot and full. We know we have a full doctor and you're saying if blind claims doctor it doesn't work with the setup and we'd know he'd be lying.

Oh, I see what you're saying now -- I retract the part about the doctor then

But then we'd be in the same position as we are now, and the real doctor would be the one arguing with blind here

because again, from the doctor's perspective, his claim would be fake necessarily

[FreezinIce]

Originally Posted by Gradiant

you're not getting it, you're saying DD is setup-locked and that's one-shot and full. We know we have a full doctor and you're saying if blind claims doctor it doesn't work with the setup and we'd know he'd be lying.

im assuming in that case the actual full doctor would just CC him and we'd be in the same situation but with different people

[Gradiant]

dbp and rb, i want the reason why you voted charu

[FreezinIce]

ninja'd

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by Gradiant

dbp and rb, i want the reason why you voted charu

because not blind and not manti

it could have been between WV and Charu, but I chose Charu in CFD fashion

[FreezinIce]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

But again, claiming a full role always adds 2 dice rolls because that's how the balance of C9++ functions.

this is arguing semantics a bit but this is misleading. Doctor is a full role that is only 1 letter. Same with roleblocker

[xXOpkillerXx]

If you're the vigi and blind claims vigi at eod, voting blind is best play

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

this is arguing semantics a bit but this is misleading. Doctor is a full role that is only 1 letter. Same with roleblocker

I could have phrased that better

excluding mason

going from 1 of xxx to 2 of xxx requires 2 additional dice rolls

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by xXOpkillerXx

If you're the vigi and blind claims vigi at eod, voting blind is best play

No it's not:

1) no town fucking believes me unless I counterclaim
2) if I counterclaim, I might die in the night
3) if I counterclaim, I don't get to extol additional information from blind in this current phase (assuming I live)
4) even if I die in the night, town figures out blind is full of shit because they see my flip

[DaBackpack]

actually that doesn't even matter

before Charu died, there could still be 2 vigis

if I countered blind and he was actually telling the truth, that would be fucking stupid of me

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

No it's not:

1) no town fucking believes me unless I counterclaim
2) if I counterclaim, I might die in the night
3) if I counterclaim, I don't get to extol additional information from blind in this current phase (assuming I live)
4) even if I die in the night, town figures out blind is full of shit because they see my flip

"extol" is not the correct word

"steal" is better

[FreezinIce]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

I could have phrased that better

excluding mason

going from 1 of xxx to 2 of xxx requires 2 additional dice rolls

Oh ok

[xXOpkillerXx]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

No it's not:

1) no town fucking believes me unless I counterclaim
2) if I counterclaim, I might die in the night
3) if I counterclaim, I don't get to extol additional information from blind in this current phase (assuming I live)
4) even if I die in the night, town figures out blind is full of shit because they see my flip

Being vigi and voting for someone who ends up being blue when you have a confirmed wolf.

[FreezinIce]

Nobody will be extolling a detective who uses wordplay wrong

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by xXOpkillerXx

Being vigi and voting for someone who ends up being blue when you have a confirmed wolf.

read my second post

blind wasn't a confirmed wolf until Charu flipped

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

Nobody will be extolling a detective who uses wordplay wrong

yeah I suck

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by Gradiant

dbp and rb, i want the reason why you also voted charu

Read my post on him and his tunneling before the cfd scramble happened

Also because I'm dumb

[DaBackpack]

like honestly if any of you still actually doubt me at this point, I will go back and pick out all of the little softs I made, since D0, about being a vigilante