TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

I'm trying to break your world more than to find the real wolves atm Shado.

Break my world?
As in find the faults in worlds where I'm scum?
Go for it. That should actually help you find the real wolves

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Sunfaann

I thought I answered it?

[Hakulyte]

I mean, you're starting to have a large pile of players who nearly cannot be wolf with you if you think about it.

[Hakulyte]

Note that Shado being town =/= AA being wolf.

AA has the most mechanical nonsense out of every players (D0 EoD votes/entrance/talking like Charu/Raeko kills were obviously done by a specific player). The only redeeming factor for him is his proactivity.

He should be far from an automatic clear as well.

[Hakulyte]

Note that AA did target Shado early game as well for hunting. I wonder what motivated him.

I'm talking about #481.

[Hakulyte]

@MML

What motivated you to call out Raeko for UTR this early in the game? #460

Also, lol at this:

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

Hakulyte feels town because he entered the game relaxed and not as a try hard. Starting to try and read shit now but that seems like a town Haku thing.

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

T R Y - H A R D

[Hakulyte]

Spamming thread with more lols:

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Hot read: 100¢ says XelNya's town

That's early game before he said Xel/Shado was unlikely and now he went back to Xel/Shado while still agreeing that it doesn't make sense.

This is reinforcing the idea of him being confused about what to do with Xel which should be a town trait.

[Hakulyte]

Other things: This should still be up for debate:

@Charu calling out Jade. #456

[Hakulyte]

I consider my own entrance puzzle tier with the "news" thing and I even went as far at making one where I literally call out "Charu is Vanilla Town" in a picture.

That's weird. You guys are crazy for town reading me here.

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

If you're here, mind sharing your thoughts on my proposition sooner rather than later?
Also, aside from me, who are your top 2 scum?

First part is what I want. You're being too much of a bystander. I'd like to see your thoughts on my proposition. Like, my posts since I woke up / your read on them /suggestion for a course of action, etc..

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

I consider my own entrance puzzle tier with the "news" thing and I even went as far at making one where I literally call out "Charu is Vanilla Town" in a picture.

That's weird. You guys are crazy for town reading me here.

I called you out on that newspaper D0 btw, don't know if you remember

[Hakulyte]

Yeah, I remember. It's actually one of the parts where you feel the most towny to me in terms of reading genuine.

[Hakulyte]

It's also why I just posted #2905.

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Other things: This should still be up for debate:

@Charu calling out Jade. #456

Yeah, that entrance was forced as fuck
I think we all just eventually attributed it to Jade roleplaying though.
Jade's posts have since felt less forced, and it's really hard to tell if thats cause Freezin got used to the character as town or if that entrance was really caused by a wolf forcing the character

[Hakulyte]

Note that roundbox/AA as a team doesn't makes much sense either because of #536

[Hakulyte]

What I'm getting at is that Jade feels like the safest kill even if I want to solve AA/Shado asap.

[Hakulyte]

Wolves can't kill both AA or Shado because they're a serious topic of evaluation. It would simplify the game too much.

So, it's like a protection in a way.

[Hakulyte]

The only world where it's a bad idea is the one where AA/Shado is together.

I'm pretty sure the majority agrees that AA and Shado being together is super unlikely.

[Hakulyte]

Conclusion: Try to get Wolf #2 or Wolf #3 lynched here if Wolf #1 is indeed in AA/Shado.

It's going to open up the game a lot more.

[Wineandbread]

All right you guys posted a metric ton of words. I honestly cannot be bothered to fine comb through each post, so these are just impressions from a cursory read. Not a SAT reading comprehension level focus, but not a speedreading skim either.
I probably missed a lot of details though, but I'm going to operate in the present after this post. Cause fuck you guys for typing a novel's worth blargh.

DAY 0
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I scanned the lynched towns before I started reading. As such I did not focus as much on their posts.

Early game: lot of random vidya game chat. I didn’t derive much, skimmed most of it.
For what it's worth, my favorite FE is PoR, following by FE7. And I liked RD, just not as much as the other two. The double class changes were kinda cool (three range Marksmen LUL)
Started paying more attention when AA came back to initiate some game-related convo.

AA: Seemed normal. Aggressive with deep lines of questioning, consistently trying to move the game forward. The wish-washyness of his EoD votes felt out of character to me but that's about it.

TWG Jade Harley: Seems like many people were not happy with the entrance he made. I didn't really think anything was too wrong about it, maybe the green was just tied to jade harley (verified in #651) but otherwise it was just lightly touching base, making the people aware that he exists in the game and introducing a gimmick. The "green subconscious" by mellon was pretty interesting but I don't really buy it. Aside from that most of the suspicions of him felt misdirected, so I didn't feel strongly about him even through EoD.

Haku: Overall I feel I'm not reading Haku well, as in I'm not sure how to interpret his posts. They don't seem that suspicious though. I buy mostly what other people have to say about him, as bad as that sounds. I will scrutinize harder over the weekend.

MML… eh. Null/very slight town lean. I feel the majority of his posts are in line with his 'meta' which I don't really emphasize much ever. Genuine-feeling misunderstandings? I might as well be saying nothing here but I'm not planning to lean into him that hard for the time being, maybe in d1.

Xel seems to be doing nothing on d0 other than reacting to posts regarding himself. It's a clear lack of initiative to push the game forward so I think he's a bit scummy at this point. Possibility he is too dumbfounded by reacting to posts to do anything else, but its suspicious play in my eyes nonetheless. I wasn’t' very impressed with EoD either.

Shado felt really bad in his early d0 interactions with mellon and his insistence on making her move. Despite what I read later on which felt pretty towny, something in my can't shake the red off his name.

Sunfan is usually one of my first town reads but I feel he hasn't been as prevalent for that in this game. To add to that I feel there was quite some inconsistencies and stuff in his posts that he had to address prior to EoD. His EoD d0 was really good though. I am a bit wary of him but not enough to warrant a scum read/lean/push/pull/wax on/wax off.

I have nothing particularly new to add about witch. Mostly what stood out to me is the vapid nature of his posts, as in they do not really seem to provide any points worth discussing or new insight, and he often I felt he didn't explain what he posted until being asked to explain. The reason why I don't have him scum fully is because I feel he may have just been dragged on the collar and being new (maybe?). His play is not very inspiring of town regardless especially at eod.

Proph looked pretty good in my book (#1010 and some stuff onwards comes to mind). People ragged on him for his sunfan vote near EoD, especially after his reversal post. I have to wonder sometimes the way people post and what they choose to share and not share because as AA said, there's a lot that can be manipulated on a forum TWG. So what prompts proph to make such a post as a wolf? I'm tinfoiling away here but I think unless they wolfchatted otherwise, it would be easier for him to leave the vote on sunfan and feign inactivity due to his assignment. He posts later to clear his name and they felt pretty good again. The self lynch threatening is pretty meh but overall I still feel good about him.

At the end of d0,

Town: Proph, AA

Null+: Haku, Jade, MML,

Null-: Witch, sunfan?

Scum: Shado, Xel

Concerning groupings, I'm not sure if Shado and Xel are same faction but I am convinced at least one of them is. I am also of the opinion that we have a leader-ish wolf this game, gut hunch. Leaning towards sunfan, with an offchance of AA.

Sunfan/witch/xel or sunfan/witch/shado would not surprise me.

Hindsight is 20/20 but I don't vote for dbp ever in that d0. I very likely would vote Xel or Witch, probably Witch given how the votes ended up.

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To be continued in day1 reading after I eat dinner, and then I'll try to partake in the EoD traffic.

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