TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

also did you ever talk about why you think haku can post as a wolf based on egregious miscalculations? because I still don't see it

he did, its somewhere near the beginning of the phase

[inDheart]

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• Votes -- Lynch -- Voters
• 2 -- roundbox -- TWG Jade Harley (51), ShadoWolfe (84)
• 2 -- ShadoWolfe -- thesunfan (89), AragakiAyase (109)
• 1 -- XelNya -- Prophylaxis (10)
• 1 -- thesunfan -- MixMasterLar (12)
• 1 -- unvote -- Hakulyte (118)
• 3 -- not voting -- roundbox (5), Witch of Certainty (46), XelNya (7)

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

is this what you're talking about? because that's not good enough lol

you basically never asked her to elaborate anywhere

funny how you did that with other people though, like MML

It'll have to be, because I'm done talking about Raeko.

What does the last part mean? What are you insinuating?
("funny how you...")

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Have you read anything at all? I've repeatedly given this.
You. Haven't. Contributed. Shit.
Just disappear, defend, reactionmeme, disappear, defend, reactionmeme, repeat
Not caught up, but I don't think that's changed in the last hour.

this is where you talk about raeko, there's nothing about why you didn't interact with her last night, unless you meant this phase and it's the post I quoted

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

It'll have to be, because I'm done talking about Raeko.

What does the last part mean? What are you insinuating?
("funny how you...")

I'm saying how it's very interesting how you ask people who you aren't scumreading to elaborate, yet you don't ask your one of your primary suspects to elaborate

I'd think it'd normally be the other way around, wouldn't it?

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

because AA's vote was at EOD and Lar's wasn't, and also had no reasoning attached to it.

The reasoning he provided later that I didn't see also doesn't make sense to me, and I don't have things on Lar like I have on AA that make me think he's /never/ a wolf without some crazy shit

What "things" make you think this about AA? It'd be nice if you shared this hours ago tbh

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

I said the same thing last game, but only because I thoroughly believe it.
Maybe you don't understand, Egregious Miscalculations shows exactly how well Haku can post as a wolf.
You can all keep saying "oh, lone wolf is basically SK though" and, while I agree that it's a lot harder to read lone wolves because of a lack of partner association, tone doesn't change as much. With the knowledge that he was wolf, Haku made a lot of seemingly genuine posts that got him townread until endgame. That doesn't change whether he knows his partners or not, because he still has to come up with bullshit reasons as to why he "thinks someone's a wolf", and genuinely defend himself against accusations that he's a wolf.

oh so is this the haku part? lol ok

comparing lone wolf to team wolf game is loltier still, he can have good tone because he genuinely has no info except that he's a wolf

this is why it's so hard to find SKs

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

also did you ever talk about why you think haku can post as a wolf based on egregious miscalculations? because I still don't see it

You're missing an awful lot of my posts for someone who's 100% convinced I'm a wolf..

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

what makes you less sure about sunfan today than yesterday? also waiting for you to verify what sunfan said about me pushing witch

because just fyi, when you verify that your whole theory about me saving witch goes out the window

I WILL NOT LET THIS BE IGNORED

just saying

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

You're missing an awful lot of my posts for someone who's 100% convinced I'm a wolf..

there's a fuckton of posts in this game, excuse me if I don't remember every single one

that's why I'm going back and looking for them

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

oh so is this the haku part? lol ok

comparing lone wolf to team wolf game is loltier still, he can have good tone because he genuinely has no info except that he's a wolf

this is why it's so hard to find SKs

Nah, I think tone is a lot less affected because he still has partners that he wants to avoid lynching, so he has to make up reads regardless. Plus, he knows his role, which causes tone differences even among town PRs.
SK is totally alone, doesn't have to worry about lynching his team at all.

[thesunfan]

alright, I understand what Lar asked me at the start of the phase now too

Lar, where I was at yesterday was a position of being completely lost. My kill circle was terrible, I felt like I had very little direction, and the gap between my don't-wanna-kills and my could-kills was way too huge.

I felt like I /knew/ that I had to be wrong somewhere, that I had to have been clearing someone for bad reasons, so I looked at a list of my townreads, and I felt like DBP would've been the person I was most likely to clear based on shitty reasons.

I do this a lot when I feel like I need to reset myself, especially on d0, which is my worst day by far as town.

The reason I did what I did in Time Travel, since you mentioned it was specifically on you, was because I knew people would be willing to vote for you. I knew I could get away with it.

I was almost positive that DBP wasn't going to get lynched yesterday because of so many people saying the thing that you, charu, shado were saying "I want to sort him out tomorrow" which annoyed me, because I felt like his absence and his lack of mind-blowingly town posts was damning.

I understand your case on me a little bit better now, and I am extending an olive branch in the event that you are town. I reevaluated on DBP as town because I was unhappy with my reads yesterday. I was detached from the game for most of the phase, and it definitely impacted my play, but I think I really turned it around when I reevaluated on DBP. I know now that I was wrong, but I stand by the fact that I think DBP was rusty/not playing his normal town game, because his posts were not stellar imo.

In Time Travel, I reevaluated on you so I could achieve parity that day. In this game, this was an early reevaluation by frustrated town me because I felt like I was wrong somewhere (I think now that this boot fits shado the best).

I hope you can see the differences, because they are there.

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

I WILL NOT LET THIS BE IGNORED

just saying

Yeah, yeah. Wait until I'm home. I'm already looking weird for constantly pulling out my phone and tapping away.

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

What "things" make you think this about AA? It'd be nice if you shared this hours ago tbh

I have
the way he entered the thunderdome on you looks pretty great for him

his annoyance with witch (talking about putting witch on ignore) is like, pretty unlikely for him to do as a wolf

he's putting in a lot of work, which, while not out of his range, I'm convinced he believes that you are scum, so I feel good about the work that he's putting in. He's like, a townie on a mission in my mind imo, if that makes sense

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Nah, I think tone is a lot less affected because he still has partners that he wants to avoid lynching, so he has to make up reads regardless. Plus, he knows his role, which causes tone differences even among town PRs.
SK is totally alone, doesn't have to worry about lynching his team at all.

ok, then one last point: I still think you're keeping your options open with haku and treating him exactly like you did in A&A

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

I WILL NOT LET THIS BE IGNORED

just saying

Haha sorry bud, size doesn't change in tapatalk. Still, it'll be easy to find when I'm home so thanks I guess

[thesunfan]

my biggest problem with lar was cleared up.

There's still some... missing stuff in his progression but overall, he looks good enough to put in my town circle imo

his intro post today looks great now to me

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

I have
the way he entered the thunderdome on you looks pretty great for him

his annoyance with witch (talking about putting witch on ignore) is like, pretty unlikely for him to do as a wolf

he's putting in a lot of work, which, while not out of his range, I'm convinced he believes that you are scum, so I feel good about the work that he's putting in. He's like, a townie on a mission in my mind imo, if that makes sense

The way he entered the thunderdome looks good?! Why?!

Hehe, he's looking at me like he's willing to risk it all

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

ok, then one last point: I still think you're keeping your options open with haku and treating him exactly like you did in A&A

Haku was the easiest read to fake in A&A because I believed what I was saying about his improved game. I think I noted that somewhere in this game too

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Haku was the easiest read to fake in A&A because I believed what I was saying about his improved game. I think I noted that somewhere in this game too

ok but it's still the same