TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

[AragakiAyase]

Actually you died n2 there so hold that thought

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by TWG Jade Harley

[color=darkgreen]on a break right now so I dont have a ton of time!

sorry if this has been asked somewhere but im on phone and I cant find it atm, shado do you think aa is a wolf?

if not, what are your scumleans atm if any? [color]

........ You need to read the thread, dude.
Yes, I think AA is a wolf. Theres the tiniest of tiny chances he's an extremely misguided town, but I really doubt it.
I don't like sunfan very much, either, but I'm less sure about him today than I was yesterday.
I thought Witch was AAs partner because of his vote, but I'm going to have to check the timeline of pressure on her first. Sunfan and AA said that she wouldn't have been up for lynch if it weren't for AA, so I want to verify that before coming back with a harder read on her.
Xel and Roundbox follow those three closely, but you should really go back and read the thread for more info. Do you know when you'll be able to put some time into this? I'd really like to read your thoughts in some detail at some point..

[AragakiAyase]

1770 posts through n2 so

179/10.1% lol

[AragakiAyase]

Shado is there any reason you think I'm a wolf besides my dbp vote, supposedly to save my partner witch

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

I think town Shado would have been like "wtf raeko died", "someone is trying to frame me what the hell is this" "what happened to Charu?", "reread thread etc."

Not "my agenda today is to tunnel Haku until he looks bad".

I try not to read too much into nightkills, but I did give my thoughts on who killed who last night.
I said a lot of "reread thread etc" last game, I'd think you'd be relieved to not see that much of it here.
My agenda is not to tunnel Haku until he looks bad. I'm just calling out the giant holes in your attacks on me where I see em, so please don't be butthurt that you're not able to cause (probably unintentionally) a mislynch.

[Prophylaxis]

So let me take a look at where my reads are now:



God I still have so many squishy townreads, certainly guaranteed a wolf is pocketing me there.

Haku moves back up because his response towards me just showed an extreme Lack of Guile. There was an extreme lack of self-awareness in his bandwagonning yesterday and he gives no thought as to how he's perceived.

AA is also more likely to be town based off of his engagement with ShadoW, also why the heck does AA randomly clear me as town at the start of the Day when he could have easily plopped a vote on me. Like, it could be a pocket attempt? If AA is scum, though, he knows that I'm a mislynch that the scum need in order to win, so clearing me randomly seems very suboptimal for scum!AA. I'm still kind of paranoid that there is scum on the wagon that hopped me Yesterday but given how that sprang up in an instant that's not super reliable.

MML likely to be spewed town based on early townreads and his posts are proactive and game-solvey.

I could be falling into the trap of focusing the game a little too around me, but I don't see why Witch/sunfan, if they are scum, don't just gank me and push me to be the lynch EoD1. Witch's weirdness I feel is more playstyle indicative and I've liked their questions at the start of Today. I liked sunfan's post when he was getting pressured and I don't think he approaches me like how he did if he's a wolf. Haven't really been paying attention to his posts today though, need to do that.

So the question is who is the wolf that is pocketing me? Gun to my head it might be sunfan or Witch? I need so much time to dedicate to this game that I don't have.

roundbox's posts while he's here have been good and he's displayed some tonal towntells, but he.. hasn't really been here. To be fair I haven't really been here as well but I want to see more from this slot.

ShadoW is giving me mixed signals. I dislike the attempt that he tried to bring up his activity and I dislike that he said "This is a good push" to MML when ShadoW is scumreading AA/Witch. Like, why would you want a push on [totally unrelated person] when you're pushing two people? That said, some of his posts are giving me a bit of doubt:

Originally Posted by ShadoW

It's not a town tell at all. It's been a scumtell forever for the same reason you're trying to spin it for town: being "unwilling to make up suspicions".
This far into a game, it's hard to believe that you havent read anything at all that would cause you to have an opinion on any player's alignment. You should have read enough arguments from enough people to cause to read them a certain way. Not impossible, just highly unlikely considering your motivation as town is to solve the game.

Originally Posted by ShadoW

I get it. I'm frustrated too, but you don't see me ever saying I'll refuse to address everything AA asks me because I "can't tell if he's a wolf". If you can't read me, it's backwards to refuse to interact with me at a result.
I don't think I deflect things, I think I address them. Even if you're afraid I'll deflect, you should still address me. It's self-defeating for yourself and for town that you'll tunnel into me so hard that you refuse to even interact with me and maintain that you'll vote me unless a meteor hits your house.

If this is what tunneling to China looks like, sunfans right in that I've never done it.

That second post in particular - I was just very recently pressured in a game and the guy who was pressuring me was tunneling me the entire game despite all evidence to the contrary. I am getting similar feelings from that second post.

So yeah, gun to my head he might be town but I'm just getting so much townie/scummy stuff from him.

Xel has literally not been posting and I don't remember any impact he has made to the game.

Need to reread Jade but their posts seem decent enough for now.

Xel

Most likely scum on the backpack wagon and has not really delivered in terms of actual content.

Will be back tonight to real time interact and such.

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

Shado is there any reason you think I'm a wolf besides my dbp vote, supposedly to save my partner witch

Yes. All through our interactions yesterday(last phasr)(especially concerning Raeko), I've felt that you've been intentionally making leaps of logic in responding to my posts, misrepresenting my statements, and confusing the matter further by refusing to acknowledge your misinterpretations.
I've never had an issue communicating my ideas to you before, and I'd expect you to acknowledge it when you misconstrue my words and are corrected. Instead, you've only used my attempts to get through to you to further paint me as a wolf.

That all also ties in with my expectation that you'd be more open minded as town. Instead, just this phase you asked everyone to vote only between us, confident in being able to produce a mislynch.

[ShadoWolfe]

I just can't believe that sunfan doesn't see where I'm coming from regarding you, which is why I've been mulling over the possibility that you're a pair.
With 24/7 wolfchat, that "crazy vote" and "genuine mercy defense" could've easily been coordinated to distance you two and make sunfan look better.
He also promised to play a lot better today, and I don't see any of that yet. If anything, he's been less involved than before.

[ShadoWolfe]

@Proph I usually go by Wolfe, but people call me Shado or Shadow on here. You really don't need to capitalize the W every time

[thesunfan]

less involved, yes
but I am absolutely playing better today imo >=(

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

less involved, yes
but I am absolutely playing better today imo >=(

Your one scum is me. I've already explained that you're literally at 0% dude, you're not playing better today at all.

If you've updated your reads since, I haven't seen it. There's a portion of today I haven't read cause I'm out and about

[thesunfan]

Proph has some reads that appear genuine

This is the first time I've seen someone call Lar spewed town I think, that looks good because its actually pretty possible and I hadn't been thinking about it

the reads also come from a perspective of him being town and making reads based off of interactions/other peoples actions (the read on AA), so it looks good to me

I like the Xel vote too, I'd put him as 2nd scummiest behind Shado rn
makes sense chronologically too given Proph's votes have been mostly proddy more than votey

[thesunfan]

the points on Xel kind of ring true; still absent, holding it against him until I see reason not to

townreading Shado looks worse now, maybe that'll be updated on his end but I don't see it

[thesunfan]

I would also call Xel/roundbox the wolfiest on the DBP wagon*

[ShadoWolfe]

@Sunfan what do you think of Lar voting and maintaining a vote on you through EoD?

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

@Sunfan what do you think of Lar voting and maintaining a vote on you through EoD?

I am slightly annoyed more than anything, I was never dying and he never gave me anything to rebut

I don't understand why he voted me today (he asked me a question that I don't understand) and voted me, so its just more annoying than anything else

I think he's being pigheaded, he more than likely at this point actually believes I've been playing like I was in Time Travel, but hasn't given me reasons why he thinks this, so w/e

I'm trying to not let it bother me but it bothers me slightly

[thesunfan]

I think we're at a case of obvtown being obvtown

AA
haku
proph
witch
i'd include myself but I know some people disagree

I think there's at most 1 wolf in there, I guess it would be most likely witch
I'd feel right silly if that's the case

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

I am slightly annoyed more than anything, I was never dying and he never gave me anything to rebut

I don't understand why he voted me today (he asked me a question that I don't understand) and voted me, so its just more annoying than anything else

I think he's being pigheaded, he more than likely at this point actually believes I've been playing like I was in Time Travel, but hasn't given me reasons why he thinks this, so w/e

I'm trying to not let it bother me but it bothers me slightly

Lol. I kinda like this a little.
What do you think of my theory that you and AA coordinated the vote on you yesterday?

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Lol. I kinda like this a little.
What do you think of my theory that you and AA coordinated the vote on you yesterday?

its not the most ludicrous thing you've said this game, like I suppose its a thought you could have if you're town

I think aa is a little bit wrong in him saying he would /never/ vote me there as a partner, like I could see it happening

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

I think we're at a case of obvtown being obvtown

AA
haku
proph
witch
i'd include myself but I know some people disagree

I think there's at most 1 wolf in there, I guess it would be most likely witch
I'd feel right silly if that's the case

add lar to this list*