TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

quote where I said I was confident he was town, because I never said that this game ever

I had him as null with a very slight town lean going into EOD, the town lean because of his early game more than anything else. I said I didn't think both sunfan/roundbox were wolves, so I trusted the combination of their votes, not one of them individually

Oh, I see. So, in the following post of yours "I thought both you and roundbox weren't wolves" does not mean that you thought sunfan was not wolf and roundbox was not wolf?
Instead, you meant it as "the combination" of sunfan and roundbox was not wolfy together, but that either could be a wolf individually? Like, not W/W but could be W/T?
If this is true, why do/did you believe that sunfan/roundbox couldn't be W/W?

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

Dude fuck off, don't say I wasn't trying to get people lynched, I started wagons on you and proph

Fuck you that's just wrong

Jade was a gut vote, if you're looking for deep explanations you won't get them
And I got off because like I said, I thought both you and roundbox weren't wolves and could see that dbps posting was only OK and not great

Bye now I'm mad

[Prophylaxis]

Catching up.

Note that I'm quite busy today (need to finish up a CS project I've been procrastinating on, plus one of my friends invited me to a freaking ESCAPE ROOM tonight) so I'll try to find time for this game but don't expect /too/ much.

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

As I've said, his vote was opportunistically timed to take Witch (you) out of KitB, despite previous assertions that he wanted to give DBP a day, and despite maintaining a townread for majority of the day, and despite defending DBP in EoD all the way until sheeping sunfan at the very last minute.

The very same sunfan that he had just also given a day, despite noting his wariness. The very same sunfan who he's now saying he sheeped because he didn't think either sunfan or roundbox were wolves. How did wariness go to such faithful trust in a matter of minutes?

I don't buy it at all.

On phone between classes, this post is garbo.
shado

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

it's not just sheeping, if you'd read what I'd been saying, and I didn't trust sunfan that much, I just wanted to avoid a kitb and could see a world where dbp was a wolf

stop misrepresenting my posts if you don't want me to vote you

I'm not misrepresentimg shit, don't try to twist this.
I'm pointing out your progression and explaining why I think it's scummy. If you don't like that, explain to me why I'm wrong.
Trust me, I've been reading what you're saying. I just don't buy that the vote was to avoid KitB just because it's KitB.
You weren't sheeping?? Really?

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

I think we shouldn't lynch DBP today because he easily resolves tomorrow if he's a wolf

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

I refuse

And then at the literal last minute:

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

yeah idk

if dbp flips town I"m going to be salty

This last one basically openly says you're sheeping, hence the saltiness.

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

.. One last thing:
I'm seriously considering the possibility that I was majorly wrong about Xel yesterday. Xel gets more self conscious as a wolf; I can see him freezing at EoD and not voting, and then freezing again on an entrance now as a result of not voting at EoD (despite posting in the time leading up to it).

Xel, post please.

Dude said he couldnt post cuz work

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

On phone between classes, this post is garbo.
shado

Don't even fucking start this right now, dude.

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Oh, I see. So, in the following post of yours "I thought both you and roundbox weren't wolves" does not mean that you thought sunfan was not wolf and roundbox was not wolf?
Instead, you meant it as "the combination" of sunfan and roundbox was not wolfy together, but that either could be a wolf individually? Like, not W/W but could be W/T?
If this is true, why do/did you believe that sunfan/roundbox couldn't be W/W?

yes, could be w/t

idk, they've both been null/slight town lean for most of this game, I've been waffling on sunfan because he's fooled me before, roundbox has just been very lackluster this game. I guess there's no concrete reason as to why they couldn't be wolves, I just don't think they are because it just doesn't feel right. it's hard to say based off interactions because roundbox has barely posted stuff this game, but when sunfan was questioning roundbox as to why he didn't vote proph it just didn't feel like a partner talking to another partner. also the whole vote sequence onto DBP felt too stupid if they're both wolves

[AragakiAyase]

I feel like the majority of shado's d1 was focused on meta, rather than actual content people were producing (primary example: mellon, secondary example: haku, tertiary example: xel, talked a bit about the contradiction but not much else) and that's a red flag to me.

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

I'm not misrepresentimg shit, don't try to twist this.
I'm pointing out your progression and explaining why I think it's scummy. If you don't like that, explain to me why I'm wrong.
Trust me, I've been reading what you're saying. I just don't buy that the vote was to avoid KitB just because it's KitB.
You weren't sheeping?? Really?


And then at the literal last minute:

This last one basically openly says you're sheeping, hence the saltiness.

dude I literally said it wasn't just sheeping, not that it wasn't sheeping

look at that misrepresentation again

[AragakiAyase]

shado

[AragakiAyase]

I'm having a really hard time reading jade because of the roleplay, everything they say sounds fake because it is

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

ok so here's what shado has done this game:

push very briefly on me early on
mentions a post by haku that "unnerves" him
attacks sunfan's read list
sit on mellon foreeeeeeeever, 1612 he says the majority of her posts are reactions to UTR stuff. well no shit, because that's what you pushed her on, you never actually talked about the reads she did make
pushed xel briefly for contradiction then backed off
throws out that he strongly believes there's a wolf in me/sunfan, but makes no push on that at all
he says in 1556 that he thinks witch is mostly being scumread due to style. then in 1915 he says witch is looking townier. now witch is his top candidate, but it's based on me flipping wolf which won't happen. I guess this progression isn't horrible, but lolforums making my vote look like shit when it should've come right after the VC

so he's touched briefly on a few players, but no one really outside of mellon. really? and he said at some point he was fine with sunfan being lynched, but made basically no effort to interact with him or push him aside from the reads list thing

Speaking of misrepresentation: way to cherrypick and gloss over the vast majority of my game, content, and content I've helped create through interactions with almost everyone in the game. What's your goal here? To look like you did work? Because that's the least accurate ISO I've ever seen. To shade my game? Because your definition of it earlier was exactly what you're doing: posting shit that paints someone in a negative light without asking questions or addressing them directly to try to solve them.
The one thing you have a valid point on is that I should've pushed on sunfan harder, but I kept going between him and you and didn't think that that an uncertain D0 push would've actually resulted in anything positive.

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Speaking of misrepresentation: way to cherrypick and gloss over the vast majority of my game, content, and content I've helped create through interactions with almost everyone in the game. What's your goal here? To look like you did work? Because that's the least accurate ISO I've ever seen. To shade my game? Because your definition of it earlier was exactly what you're doing: posting shit that paints someone in a negative light without asking questions or addressing them directly to try to solve them.
The one thing you have a valid point on is that I should've pushed on sunfan harder, but I kept going between him and you and didn't think that that an uncertain D0 push would've actually resulted in anything positive.

but it's not; you don't have any real content based pushes d1, only that raeko wasn't posting enough according to your definition

[AragakiAyase]

some other people iso shado and tell me if I'm really cherrypicking

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

I feel like the majority of shado's d1 was focused on meta, rather than actual content people were producing (primary example: mellon, secondary example: haku, tertiary example: xel, talked a bit about the contradiction but not much else) and that's a red flag to me.

1. It's D0, there's nothing mechanical to base reads on, just meta and content/tone.
2. You can't focus on meta without comparing/contrasting it to a player's content.
3. In mellon's case, she started that shit for accusing me and everyone who wanted her to post more "shady", but I wasn't even pushing her as a wolf. Just explaining why she needed to post more and that the she shouldn't realistically get mad at people for that, considering her history. I tried to drop that shit before it even escalated, but she got peeved and then I did too. I don't want to rehash this, but you'd know that I wasn't even scumreading her until after the UTR shit died down and she made a questionable push on Witch. That scumread was based entirely on content and tone, not meta.
As for Haku, I've touched on this a few times throughout the game. Regardless of his alignment here, I will always remind people to not underestimate him or use outdated volumetells on him. Hes been pretty neutral to me most of this game, slightly on the town side for a good portion, with a couple of spots where I thought he might be a wolf. Even then, when I called him out it was for content, not meta.
Xel was a definite metaread, and one I'll admit I might have been wrong on. I saw a pure Xel early on and that dispelled any concerns I had, even through the contradiction and EoD.
So yeah, 1/3 dude fuck off with this hypocritical shit.

[AragakiAyase]

you focused probably 80% on meta and 20% on content and it's most obvious in your bad push on mellon

you put on your tunnel vision glasses with respect to her and wanted a very specific manner of playing from her otherwise you were going to vote her. and when she did post actual reads because you stopped pushing her for her UTR meta, you basically ignored them and said "it's not enough"

you don't need to look at meta to read people, it's entirely possible to read people when you have no meta, just not as easy. You look first at their content and then adjust with meta, not the other way around like you did

your scumread was absolutely not based on content and tone, it definitely had heavy meta because you said "she wasn't posting enough"

as compared to what? oh, her town game? 1. I disagree that she wasn't posting enough
2. that's meta right there, don't even try

[AragakiAyase]

requesting people only lynch me or shado today, because I'm going to thunderdome shado here and win because he's a wolf and I'm town

[AragakiAyase]

never giving someone a pass ever again because it puts me in a shit position at EOD since I'm not voting my most consistent scumread

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

but it's not; you don't have any real content based pushes d1, only that raeko wasn't posting enough according to your definition

The fact that you're trying to say I "pushed" Raeko as scum for "not posting enough" makes me really question your motives here.
I know your reading comprehension is high enough to understand that's not what happened, so what are you trying to do here?
I told her to post more. I told her to post or get lynched. I told her that people have reason if she doesn't post. I told her clearly in the a) b) c) to come back and focus on the game instead of responding to me BEFORE she ever came back that last time, because I was afraid of thread getting sidetracked over it.
All of that is trying to get her to post her thoughts on the game and the players, not trying to "shade" her or push her as a wolf. I think that should be pretty apparent if you back and just read my posts to her.

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

you focused probably 80% on meta and 20% on content and it's most obvious in your bad push on mellon

you put on your tunnel vision glasses with respect to her and wanted a very specific manner of playing from her otherwise you were going to vote her. and when she did post actual reads because you stopped pushing her for her UTR meta, you basically ignored them and said "it's not enough"

you don't need to look at meta to read people, it's entirely possible to read people when you have no meta, just not as easy. You look first at their content and then adjust with meta, not the other way around like you did

your scumread was absolutely not based on content and tone, it definitely had heavy meta because you said "she wasn't posting enough"

as compared to what? oh, her town game? 1. I disagree that she wasn't posting enough
2. that's meta right there, don't even try

I DIDNT HAVE A SCUMREAD ON HER UNTIL AFTER SHE OPPORTUNISTICALLY VOTED WITCH, YOU CRETIN.
I feel like a broken record. How are you not understanding this??