TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by roundbox

post

I lied about my tower post and I'm really really sorry

I'm still sorry

jk here it is

still lying

don't hate me

STATING THE OBVIOUS: ShadoWolfe and raeko are never partners, mostly due to his insistence for her immediate lynch.
I still think raeko is town and there's a chance ShadoWolfe is town as well.

ON POST #751 (HAKULYTE STUFF): Hakulyte laid out some measures for determining sunfan's alignment, but these statements are made only assuming that Haku is town and no other alignment. What would sunfan's view of Haku be if they were wolf partners? Could Haku be getting fed suggestions from wolfchat for sunfan's posting style?

XEL TOWNREADING SHADO FOR HIS STANCE ON RAEKO: more of this dumb preemptive bullshit

ON POST #763 (MML COMMENTARY POST #??): I had a few points in this post that made me do mental gymnastics and contemplate leaving my faceprint on the desk (more analysis of raeko as UTR scum, dude the game hasn't even been up for 24 hours, people have things to do)
Again, the same logic is extended to DaBackpack and my defense of him. I mean, look at it this way, dude.

The game started at 11 PM server time, which is in CST. I'm pretty sure both raeko and DaBackpack are EST, so the game started at midnight for them ON A SUNDAY. I'm assuming they would be retiring to bed in a short while, and did nothing but shitpost for the time they spent awake (because it's kind of the norm). I'm also assuming that they have obligations, such as school, a job, errands, or any combination of the above. These could take an indeterminate amount of time. If it's any 8 hour job or a full day of obligations, I would expect them to be done around 4-6 pm local time. Hey, would you look at that, WHAT TIME ARE YOU POSTING RIGHT NOW MML?
OH, WOULD YOU LOOK AT THAT (it's actually a little off from the window I posted, but still)
WHAT A COINCIDENCE
IT'S ALMOST LIKE
PEOPLE CAN'T COMMIT EVERY WAKING MOMENT OF THEIR LIFE TO TWG AND APPEARING SUPER ACTIVE
I'm lucky enough that I can check in on the thread sporadically while I'm at my job, but I'm still pretty out of commission from the hours of about 7-4:30 PM CST. I would assume that I'm not the only one with similar responsibilities.
You simply have not given people enough time. Yes, I am aware there is UTR play in their past, but it's bad and lazy to automatically toss them in your scum pile after seeing them not post within the infancy of the game and within usual working hours.
bad and lazy play

Shado and raeko are tunneling on each other but the BIG thing to notice here is the fact that raeko was the first to break form and post her reads on players that she thinks are town. Shado continued defending his stance against her and hasn't really branched off (wrote this while starting on post #841)

sunfan #852: What makes this a normal town game for Charu? Be specific BRO

MML why you gotta continue being bold and brash in games? You made choof replace out of one game and you were flaming someone else in the dreamer game which was pretty reminiscent of the choof situation, and now you do this

AS OF POST #921: man people need to focus on someone that's not raeko/shado this is really dumb and boring
if dabackpack doesn't look enough at other players, WARNING BELLS
if other people continue the conversation, WARNING BELLS
(speak of the devil, MML in post #926 once again bringing up raeko and sheeping. <INSERT GRASPING_AT_STRAWS.JPG>)

Jade jumping on the raeko/shado thing is not what I wanted to see, not even remotely close to what I wanted to see

And yes, MML #979 your read on me is a double standard. Your reads for "trending up" and "trending down" hinge on activity/inactivity, EXCEPT FOR ME!! It's also not a good metric, but I've told you this thousands of times. Look at the content of the posts, not the volume. DaBackpack has been pretty focused on diffusing the shado/raeko situation and he's not providing information on ANY OTHER PLAYERS, yet you give him a townread. This is nonooooonnonoonononon

content, not count

raeko brings up some good points in #1007 about Jade's character being a potential good cover for wolfing activity (i.e. attributing a character quirk for an otherwise wolfy behavior)

#1010 Prophylyaxis TOWERPOST
-Mindmeld on DaBackpack
-Good use of the "WHY" question
-I just like your tone, it's a thing
-agree with the vote, even if I don't find Jade terribly wolfy atm

I like Shado's GENERALIZATION INDICATION in sunfan's post in #1017. I feel like this analysis is pretty towny and puts all the WHY questions in the right place (shoutouts to sunfan probably not liking this either if he wasn't a fan of AA liking it!!)

Charu's dejection starting around this time is a bit of a town implication or a "boring ass non-power wolf" implication, mostly the former though

AA's read list would be fine if he didn't townlean DaBackpack (see what I said about MML #979 earlier)

#1045 STOP BEATING THE DEAD HORSE

Haku #1071 - Why am I town? [citation needed]

I'm glad MML unvoted otherwise I was gonna have a hissy fit

#1115 - Mindmeld with Shado on the questions he's asking DaBackpack—concerns of which I've had since much earlier in this towerpost

#1134 - agree with DaBackpack about the character Jade vs activity of FreezinIce and the possible masking. do note that this is a POSSIBILITY, not a FACT

#1144 - DaBackpack is slightly easing up on my "concerns" list. slightly

Haku hasn't really done anything to stand out to me. I think this is a good thing? I feel like I had some pretty good wolfreads on him in previous games but I'm not feeling the same vibe. #vagueasfuck

Xel's reentrance was fine until he got bogged down interacting with Shado. It feels like he could have had the start of something good but he got sidetracked

#1194 I mean look at this All Caps post

#1235 this xel counter-quote post is incredibly defensive and is continuing the trend I previously noted. Where's the analysis on other players? I AIN'T LIKE IT

Jade an we please STOP TALKING ABOUT SHADO/RAEKO
oh, okay
#1252 can you explain why sunfan is somehwat likeable? What do you like about him? You offer what you don't like, but I' not getting anything on the other end


Jade you contradict yourself pretty hard in #1259 when you say "xel is town because...uhhh...he seems sincere about explaining the things hes getting flak about???"

then follow it up right after in your reads list in #1271 as your only scum lean next to charu
???

#1299 Xel reads list kinda helps but damn it took you a long time to get here and some of your reads are really underdeveloped (see raeko, dabackpack, jade, proph)

#1345 not sure why Witch Lambdadelta is avoiding putting out a read or two, no matter how flimsy

#1360 I agree with Hakulyte. Holy shit, I agree with Hakulyte. PogChamp?


everything til present is just white noise, fuck it all

quoting because I got bottom paged

[ShadoWolfe]

That moment when we're in D0 still and we have more posts than other full games in their entirety.

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by roundbox

post

I lied about my tower post and I'm really really sorry

I'm still sorry

jk here it is

still lying

don't hate me

STATING THE OBVIOUS: ShadoWolfe and raeko are never partners, mostly due to his insistence for her immediate lynch.
I still think raeko is town and there's a chance ShadoWolfe is town as well.

ON POST #751 (HAKULYTE STUFF): Hakulyte laid out some measures for determining sunfan's alignment, but these statements are made only assuming that Haku is town and no other alignment. What would sunfan's view of Haku be if they were wolf partners? Could Haku be getting fed suggestions from wolfchat for sunfan's posting style?

XEL TOWNREADING SHADO FOR HIS STANCE ON RAEKO: more of this dumb preemptive bullshit

ON POST #763 (MML COMMENTARY POST #??): I had a few points in this post that made me do mental gymnastics and contemplate leaving my faceprint on the desk (more analysis of raeko as UTR scum, dude the game hasn't even been up for 24 hours, people have things to do)
Again, the same logic is extended to DaBackpack and my defense of him. I mean, look at it this way, dude.

The game started at 11 PM server time, which is in CST. I'm pretty sure both raeko and DaBackpack are EST, so the game started at midnight for them ON A SUNDAY. I'm assuming they would be retiring to bed in a short while, and did nothing but shitpost for the time they spent awake (because it's kind of the norm). I'm also assuming that they have obligations, such as school, a job, errands, or any combination of the above. These could take an indeterminate amount of time. If it's any 8 hour job or a full day of obligations, I would expect them to be done around 4-6 pm local time. Hey, would you look at that, WHAT TIME ARE YOU POSTING RIGHT NOW MML?
OH, WOULD YOU LOOK AT THAT (it's actually a little off from the window I posted, but still)
WHAT A COINCIDENCE
IT'S ALMOST LIKE
PEOPLE CAN'T COMMIT EVERY WAKING MOMENT OF THEIR LIFE TO TWG AND APPEARING SUPER ACTIVE
I'm lucky enough that I can check in on the thread sporadically while I'm at my job, but I'm still pretty out of commission from the hours of about 7-4:30 PM CST. I would assume that I'm not the only one with similar responsibilities.
You simply have not given people enough time. Yes, I am aware there is UTR play in their past, but it's bad and lazy to automatically toss them in your scum pile after seeing them not post within the infancy of the game and within usual working hours.
bad and lazy play

Shado and raeko are tunneling on each other but the BIG thing to notice here is the fact that raeko was the first to break form and post her reads on players that she thinks are town. Shado continued defending his stance against her and hasn't really branched off (wrote this while starting on post #841)

sunfan #852: What makes this a normal town game for Charu? Be specific BRO

MML why you gotta continue being bold and brash in games? You made choof replace out of one game and you were flaming someone else in the dreamer game which was pretty reminiscent of the choof situation, and now you do this

AS OF POST #921: man people need to focus on someone that's not raeko/shado this is really dumb and boring
if dabackpack doesn't look enough at other players, WARNING BELLS
if other people continue the conversation, WARNING BELLS
(speak of the devil, MML in post #926 once again bringing up raeko and sheeping. <INSERT GRASPING_AT_STRAWS.JPG>)

Jade jumping on the raeko/shado thing is not what I wanted to see, not even remotely close to what I wanted to see

And yes, MML #979 your read on me is a double standard. Your reads for "trending up" and "trending down" hinge on activity/inactivity, EXCEPT FOR ME!! It's also not a good metric, but I've told you this thousands of times. Look at the content of the posts, not the volume. DaBackpack has been pretty focused on diffusing the shado/raeko situation and he's not providing information on ANY OTHER PLAYERS, yet you give him a townread. This is nonooooonnonoonononon

content, not count

raeko brings up some good points in #1007 about Jade's character being a potential good cover for wolfing activity (i.e. attributing a character quirk for an otherwise wolfy behavior)

#1010 Prophylyaxis TOWERPOST
-Mindmeld on DaBackpack
-Good use of the "WHY" question
-I just like your tone, it's a thing
-agree with the vote, even if I don't find Jade terribly wolfy atm

I like Shado's GENERALIZATION INDICATION in sunfan's post in #1017. I feel like this analysis is pretty towny and puts all the WHY questions in the right place (shoutouts to sunfan probably not liking this either if he wasn't a fan of AA liking it!!)

Charu's dejection starting around this time is a bit of a town implication or a "boring ass non-power wolf" implication, mostly the former though

AA's read list would be fine if he didn't townlean DaBackpack (see what I said about MML #979 earlier)

#1045 STOP BEATING THE DEAD HORSE

Haku #1071 - Why am I town? [citation needed]

I'm glad MML unvoted otherwise I was gonna have a hissy fit

#1115 - Mindmeld with Shado on the questions he's asking DaBackpack—concerns of which I've had since much earlier in this towerpost

#1134 - agree with DaBackpack about the character Jade vs activity of FreezinIce and the possible masking. do note that this is a POSSIBILITY, not a FACT

#1144 - DaBackpack is slightly easing up on my "concerns" list. slightly

Haku hasn't really done anything to stand out to me. I think this is a good thing? I feel like I had some pretty good wolfreads on him in previous games but I'm not feeling the same vibe. #vagueasfuck

Xel's reentrance was fine until he got bogged down interacting with Shado. It feels like he could have had the start of something good but he got sidetracked

#1194 I mean look at this All Caps post

#1235 this xel counter-quote post is incredibly defensive and is continuing the trend I previously noted. Where's the analysis on other players? I AIN'T LIKE IT

Jade an we please STOP TALKING ABOUT SHADO/RAEKO
oh, okay
#1252 can you explain why sunfan is somehwat likeable? What do you like about him? You offer what you don't like, but I' not getting anything on the other end


Jade you contradict yourself pretty hard in #1259 when you say "xel is town because...uhhh...he seems sincere about explaining the things hes getting flak about???"

then follow it up right after in your reads list in #1271 as your only scum lean next to charu
???

#1299 Xel reads list kinda helps but damn it took you a long time to get here and some of your reads are really underdeveloped (see raeko, dabackpack, jade, proph)

#1345 not sure why Witch Lambdadelta is avoiding putting out a read or two, no matter how flimsy

#1360 I agree with Hakulyte. Holy shit, I agree with Hakulyte. PogChamp?


everything til present is just white noise, fuck it all

Cool.
Do you have a reads list you'd like to share?

[AragakiAyase]

Roundbox I believe the Jade contradiction is because haku asked Jade to give reasoning behind a forced hypothetical

Speaking of which, where are your reads

[Hakulyte]

Haku #1071 - Why am I town? [citation needed]

I couldn't find anything wolfy in that iso and the little you said has proven to be relevant up to this point in the game from a town perspective.

[Hakulyte]

If you think you're wolfy, quote yourself and we'll discuss about it.

(why would you do that tho)

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Cool.
Do you have a reads list you'd like to share?

To clarify: I can see this coming from a townbox perspective, but I really didn't like that you wrote more about people in the EST time zone and their reasons for not posting, including a thing about your job, than you did about the entire rest of the game. I like the references to specific posts, but a series of mindmelds and agreements is really not what I was hoping for from the giant notes post you've been teasing about.
As it is, I'm glad you're all caught up now. Reads would be a great starting point for the rest of the phase to carry on.

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Unpopular opinion:

I strongly believe there is a wolf in sunfan/AA. I thought it was sunfan, but AAs been kinda throwing me off since yesterday (yes, I did call him out on potentially deliberate misreadings even then).

I think it's unlikely that either of them get lynched before me, but I strongly encourage town to pursue them after my eventual demise.

Shado why this

But then sunfan over me?

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

I'd like to see more of Raeko and DBP, tbh.
Roundbox has been teasing all day, seems like he'll be posting a shitton soon.
I think witch is mainly being scumread for a difference in style, rather than actually being a wolf. I could be wrong about her though, I've never played her so I'm just going off my impression. I'm not voting Xel this phase, as should be clear to anyone who's read any of my posts regarding him this game.
DBP said he'd be back later today, and he's largely okay but I do want to see more of him for sure.
Jade Harley is still a big questionmark for me.. I got some towny vibes off her/him last night (he even stopped being so firm on the RP at one point, I feel like character was slightly broken), but by no means a firm town.

I wouldn't mind seeing sunfan lynched today, tbh. I've been pretty underwhelmed by his game overall, but he's noted that he's been doing a fair amount of other stuff.
Still, I'd like to wait a bit before "consolidating wagons", because Roundbox/DBP/Raeko/Jade haven't weighed in with much significance today.

I also don't think sunfan has been underwhelming, he's only maybe slightly below par

[mellonxcollie]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

To clarify: I can see this coming from a townbox perspective, but I really didn't like that you wrote more about people in the EST time zone and their reasons for not posting, including a thing about your job, than you did about the entire rest of the game. I like the references to specific posts, but a series of mindmelds and agreements is really not what I was hoping for from the giant notes post you've been teasing about.
As it is, I'm glad you're all caught up now. Reads would be a great starting point for the rest of the phase to carry on.

To me his response about EST etc seemed like an irritated/annoyed reaction at seeing a lazy read. It may have been overly long but it still felt real enough to me

I liked your post roundbox (tho I kinda also think you should be BANNED FOREVER for the spoiler thing). I agree with you that the last few pages have been mostly white noise but would you skim them real fast just in case anyways? I would definitely like to see some reads as well

[Hakulyte]

Unrelated, but I think Xel should get lynched before Witch.

If Witch is still irrelevant during D1 with a flip in the game, Witch should get lynched at that point.

The idea is to make sure it's not only because of D0 confusion/being new etc.

[thesunfan]

done some thinking
I think I might've been wrong on DBP being town
gonna iso him but he feels the most to me like the townread I got wrong

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Unrelated, but I think Xel should get lynched before Witch.

If Witch is still irrelevant during D1 with a flip in the game, Witch should get lynched at that point.

The idea is to make sure it's not only because of D0 confusion/being new etc.

I feel like that's a decent part of why they're being voted; because they're new and unfamiliar

[Hakulyte]

DBP is a very interesting vote. I'm going to have to iso him again just to try to understand what's happening here.

[Hakulyte]

I see a lot of shitposting and little content for that many posts. To interpret that properly is another story.

[thesunfan]

over a very quick skim, I'm alright with my vote

a LOT of 1 line posts before he made a reentrance (I'm only caring about the ones that aren't related to final fantasy) and a lot of posts in the manner of

"one line" POST

"another line that modifies or adds minimally to the previous post" POST

which makes it look like he's saying more than he really is.

Some of his most recent analysis was a lot better, but most of the work had already been done for him, and the only thing I saw that feels like he came up with himself is a null-read on roundbox where he mentions specifically looking for a "truth bomb"

168 posts is A LOT for DBP as a wolf, but that number gets a lot lower when you take out FF stuff, which I think wolf DBP could post about, and there's still a lot of posts that even when merged together still wouldn't be all that substantive

[thesunfan]

since someone asked me earlier:
my no lynch circle for today is something like
Haku/Charu/AA
Shado
Proph/DBP was here before I removed him prolly
Xel/raeko/roundbox

if anyone else dies, I won't be upset. I might shed exactly one tear if Witch gets lynched, but only one.

[Hakulyte]

How do you decide that "it's him being more wolfy than towny" ?

Is it..

The ratio of youtube vid/shit posting vs content?
The quality of the content?
The mind state related to the entrance where people pressure him for being wolf?
All of the above?

[roundbox]

I guess I can humor you nerds with a read list

Let's do this style for fun

vv: nada
v: raeko, proph, AA, shado, haku, charu
n: sunfan, mml (kinda), witch of certainty
w: xel, dabackpack, jade
ww: nada

Sunfan could waver down along with woc
Mml is on a possible waver up

Not super confident about my scumreads at the moment but I never am on d0

If you want me to elaborate on a specific read, feel free to ask away even though I have plenty of information in my tower post which will lead you to a similar solution

[roundbox]

Brb

[Hakulyte]

I have mml as obvious town because of how committed he was behing his posts.