TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

You're asking MML why he thinks "Haku is town" because you have a problem with me being town.

Ohhhhhh, I can see where you're coming from now. No, I asked MML to explain his read on you because it was the only read in his list that had absolutely 0 elaboration. As I said earlier, I'm content in letting you solve yourself for me.

So your whole reaction was because you thought I was scumreading you?
That begs a whole different question: why did thinking I have a problem with you being town cause you to vote me? That sounds like OMGUS reasoning, at best.

[Hakulyte]

You're town reading me and you're saying something assuming that I'm not town.

That's a contradiction.

[Hakulyte]

I may as well spend my entire game saying that my top towns are wolves.

[Hakulyte]

tl;dr: You're creating unnecessary disruption in this village.

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Why would you ask MML why I'm town if you know I'm town as town?

Even if I knew 100% that sunfan was town, if AA said "sunfan is town." without elaboration, I would call him out on it and ask him to explain his reasoning. That sort of question helps provide insight into the person you're asking. In that example, me asking AA to provide his reasoning helps solve AA, not sunfan. Understand?

So when I ask MML to explain a read that begins and ends with "Haku is town.", I'm trying to gain insight into MML's perspective, NOT asking because "I have a problem with Haku being town".

It's important that the distinction is clear to you. I think one of your bigger problems is that you're a little too trigger happy with votes when emotional. Maybe try to reason out the intentions behind an action before assuming it has to an attempt to paint you negatively.
but anyways, I've spent way too much time here already. I'll be back in a couple hours and will likely post on and off while finishing a couple assignments.

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

You're town reading me and you're saying something assuming that I'm not town.

That's a contradiction.

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

I may as well spend my entire game saying that my top towns are wolves.

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

tl;dr: You're creating unnecessary disruption in this village.

I give up. Get the fuck out of your tunnel-obsessed world and try to imagine things beyond what you think they might be.
I said from the beginning that responding to you would be wasting my time and yours, and that I didn't want to sidetrack the thread onto this petty bullshit. Thanks for causing exactly that to happen.
bye.

[Hakulyte]

You're right, but I can see specifically "Haku is town" happen without needing additional information.

[Hakulyte]

You're aware that I'm doing all of this to try to get a read on you right?

[Hakulyte]

btw, I can't reason with you because it loss me the previous game.

[AragakiAyase]

there's almost certainly something wrong with my townreads this game, because my lynch pool right now is

xel and witch, with shado but he's getting a pass for a day pretty much

can we start consolidating some wagons, yeah 5.5 hours until EOD but sooner is better than later

[Hakulyte]

I'm not moving from Shado today, but I have no problem with Xel/Witch being voted.

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

You're aware that I'm doing all of this to try to get a read on you right?

lol.. I suppose you're gonna say you were feigning ignorance, too? Testing my patience and causing me to explain the same thing 100 times?
Whatever. I hope whatever you gained from it was worth it.

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

btw, I can't reason with you because it loss me the previous game.

Please don't use that. I've suffered from the same problem too, but at least let it affect your reads privately, instead of letting it prevent you from believing anything I say.

[mellonxcollie]

I feel like Haku was being a bit defensive toward Shado based on one small comment

I don't have a clear choice for who I want to lynch today

Witch still seems very suspicious to me because of her lack of willingness to be open about her thoughts. It seems like she only wants to share ideas when they are concretely formed, but that's not going to happen very often. It seems like an overly cautious mindset

Proph is kind of reminding me of when I do play UTR as a wolf (not trying to open that can of worms again just noting this). Dunno if this is enough to vote off of though

[Hakulyte]

Raeko, what I'm doing right now is the exact same thing as what I did to you D0 last game.

[Hakulyte]

I'm just doing what I think is right, but by definition it doesn't mean it's a "must lynch" target.

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

there's almost certainly something wrong with my townreads this game, because my lynch pool right now is

xel and witch, with shado but he's getting a pass for a day pretty much

can we start consolidating some wagons, yeah 5.5 hours until EOD but sooner is better than later

I'd like to see more of Raeko and DBP, tbh.
Roundbox has been teasing all day, seems like he'll be posting a shitton soon.
I think witch is mainly being scumread for a difference in style, rather than actually being a wolf. I could be wrong about her though, I've never played her so I'm just going off my impression. I'm not voting Xel this phase, as should be clear to anyone who's read any of my posts regarding him this game.
DBP said he'd be back later today, and he's largely okay but I do want to see more of him for sure.
Jade Harley is still a big questionmark for me.. I got some towny vibes off her/him last night (he even stopped being so firm on the RP at one point, I feel like character was slightly broken), but by no means a firm town.

I wouldn't mind seeing sunfan lynched today, tbh. I've been pretty underwhelmed by his game overall, but he's noted that he's been doing a fair amount of other stuff.
Still, I'd like to wait a bit before "consolidating wagons", because Roundbox/DBP/Raeko/Jade haven't weighed in with much significance today.

[Hakulyte]

(I'm also curious to see who is crazy enough to wagon me)

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by mellonxcollie

I feel like Haku was being a bit defensive toward Shado based on one small comment

I don't have a clear choice for who I want to lynch today

Witch still seems very suspicious to me because of her lack of willingness to be open about her thoughts. It seems like she only wants to share ideas when they are concretely formed, but that's not going to happen very often. It seems like an overly cautious mindset

Proph is kind of reminding me of when I do play UTR as a wolf (not trying to open that can of worms again just noting this). Dunno if this is enough to vote off of though

Oh, hello. Kindly ignore my recent post and focus on other stuff you want to focus on. Thanks.

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

(I'm also curious to see who is crazy enough to wagon me)

REALLY
STOP IT

[roundbox]

post

I lied about my tower post and I'm really really sorry

I'm still sorry

jk here it is

still lying

don't hate me

STATING THE OBVIOUS: ShadoWolfe and raeko are never partners, mostly due to his insistence for her immediate lynch.
I still think raeko is town and there's a chance ShadoWolfe is town as well.

ON POST #751 (HAKULYTE STUFF): Hakulyte laid out some measures for determining sunfan's alignment, but these statements are made only assuming that Haku is town and no other alignment. What would sunfan's view of Haku be if they were wolf partners? Could Haku be getting fed suggestions from wolfchat for sunfan's posting style?

XEL TOWNREADING SHADO FOR HIS STANCE ON RAEKO: more of this dumb preemptive bullshit

ON POST #763 (MML COMMENTARY POST #??): I had a few points in this post that made me do mental gymnastics and contemplate leaving my faceprint on the desk (more analysis of raeko as UTR scum, dude the game hasn't even been up for 24 hours, people have things to do)
Again, the same logic is extended to DaBackpack and my defense of him. I mean, look at it this way, dude.

The game started at 11 PM server time, which is in CST. I'm pretty sure both raeko and DaBackpack are EST, so the game started at midnight for them ON A SUNDAY. I'm assuming they would be retiring to bed in a short while, and did nothing but shitpost for the time they spent awake (because it's kind of the norm). I'm also assuming that they have obligations, such as school, a job, errands, or any combination of the above. These could take an indeterminate amount of time. If it's any 8 hour job or a full day of obligations, I would expect them to be done around 4-6 pm local time. Hey, would you look at that, WHAT TIME ARE YOU POSTING RIGHT NOW MML?
OH, WOULD YOU LOOK AT THAT (it's actually a little off from the window I posted, but still)
WHAT A COINCIDENCE
IT'S ALMOST LIKE
PEOPLE CAN'T COMMIT EVERY WAKING MOMENT OF THEIR LIFE TO TWG AND APPEARING SUPER ACTIVE
I'm lucky enough that I can check in on the thread sporadically while I'm at my job, but I'm still pretty out of commission from the hours of about 7-4:30 PM CST. I would assume that I'm not the only one with similar responsibilities.
You simply have not given people enough time. Yes, I am aware there is UTR play in their past, but it's bad and lazy to automatically toss them in your scum pile after seeing them not post within the infancy of the game and within usual working hours.
bad and lazy play

Shado and raeko are tunneling on each other but the BIG thing to notice here is the fact that raeko was the first to break form and post her reads on players that she thinks are town. Shado continued defending his stance against her and hasn't really branched off (wrote this while starting on post #841)

sunfan #852: What makes this a normal town game for Charu? Be specific BRO

MML why you gotta continue being bold and brash in games? You made choof replace out of one game and you were flaming someone else in the dreamer game which was pretty reminiscent of the choof situation, and now you do this

AS OF POST #921: man people need to focus on someone that's not raeko/shado this is really dumb and boring
if dabackpack doesn't look enough at other players, WARNING BELLS
if other people continue the conversation, WARNING BELLS
(speak of the devil, MML in post #926 once again bringing up raeko and sheeping. <INSERT GRASPING_AT_STRAWS.JPG>)

Jade jumping on the raeko/shado thing is not what I wanted to see, not even remotely close to what I wanted to see

And yes, MML #979 your read on me is a double standard. Your reads for "trending up" and "trending down" hinge on activity/inactivity, EXCEPT FOR ME!! It's also not a good metric, but I've told you this thousands of times. Look at the content of the posts, not the volume. DaBackpack has been pretty focused on diffusing the shado/raeko situation and he's not providing information on ANY OTHER PLAYERS, yet you give him a townread. This is nonooooonnonoonononon

content, not count

raeko brings up some good points in #1007 about Jade's character being a potential good cover for wolfing activity (i.e. attributing a character quirk for an otherwise wolfy behavior)

#1010 Prophylyaxis TOWERPOST
-Mindmeld on DaBackpack
-Good use of the "WHY" question
-I just like your tone, it's a thing
-agree with the vote, even if I don't find Jade terribly wolfy atm

I like Shado's GENERALIZATION INDICATION in sunfan's post in #1017. I feel like this analysis is pretty towny and puts all the WHY questions in the right place (shoutouts to sunfan probably not liking this either if he wasn't a fan of AA liking it!!)

Charu's dejection starting around this time is a bit of a town implication or a "boring ass non-power wolf" implication, mostly the former though

AA's read list would be fine if he didn't townlean DaBackpack (see what I said about MML #979 earlier)

#1045 STOP BEATING THE DEAD HORSE

Haku #1071 - Why am I town? [citation needed]

I'm glad MML unvoted otherwise I was gonna have a hissy fit

#1115 - Mindmeld with Shado on the questions he's asking DaBackpack—concerns of which I've had since much earlier in this towerpost

#1134 - agree with DaBackpack about the character Jade vs activity of FreezinIce and the possible masking. do note that this is a POSSIBILITY, not a FACT

#1144 - DaBackpack is slightly easing up on my "concerns" list. slightly

Haku hasn't really done anything to stand out to me. I think this is a good thing? I feel like I had some pretty good wolfreads on him in previous games but I'm not feeling the same vibe. #vagueasfuck

Xel's reentrance was fine until he got bogged down interacting with Shado. It feels like he could have had the start of something good but he got sidetracked

#1194 I mean look at this All Caps post

#1235 this xel counter-quote post is incredibly defensive and is continuing the trend I previously noted. Where's the analysis on other players? I AIN'T LIKE IT

Jade an we please STOP TALKING ABOUT SHADO/RAEKO
oh, okay
#1252 can you explain why sunfan is somehwat likeable? What do you like about him? You offer what you don't like, but I' not getting anything on the other end


Jade you contradict yourself pretty hard in #1259 when you say "xel is town because...uhhh...he seems sincere about explaining the things hes getting flak about???"

then follow it up right after in your reads list in #1271 as your only scum lean next to charu
???

#1299 Xel reads list kinda helps but damn it took you a long time to get here and some of your reads are really underdeveloped (see raeko, dabackpack, jade, proph)

#1345 not sure why Witch Lambdadelta is avoiding putting out a read or two, no matter how flimsy

#1360 I agree with Hakulyte. Holy shit, I agree with Hakulyte. PogChamp?


everything til present is just white noise, fuck it all