TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

[AragakiAyase]

a few more things:

I think xel and sunfan are not w/w because of how sunfan called xel out for doing the same thing with his shitposting as he did last game. I think if they were partners sunfan would be much more likely to either not mention xel there or spin it so it puts him in a better light.

for the same reason, I think shado and sunfan are not w/w because of how sunfan mentioned shado seeming too jokey like last game, and shado's reaction to it

[Charu]

Xel, I'm a wolf.

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Unvote
Say what you'd like about lame/annoying metareads, but my vote's going on mellon if she doesn't start posting.

In the game she won as SK by being UTR, she told "her haters" to suck it up 'cause it worked out for her. The following game (FE), she was wolf again and won by replacing an inactive Zenith and remaining mostly UTR for the rest of the game. While I applauded that at the time, both times, what tends to happen when you play back-to-back UTR strats is that you neatly get that added to your meta. If you don't like it, play a couple of active wolf games to change your meta. As it is, I don't care how high the horse is you're trying to be on by saying that reading you by activity is annoying. Post, or get lynched.

I feel like this post is important

"I want to vote for mellon for inactivity and this post is me legitimizing that kind of vote via getting on a high horse of my own"

it reads like a way to avoid getting shit on for making a shitty easy vote

and on top of that, he doesn't actually FOLLOW THROUGH with a vote when he very easily could have, which feels like he's testing the waters

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

I feel like this post is important

"I want to vote for mellon for inactivity and this post is me legitimizing that kind of vote via getting on a high horse of my own"

it reads like a way to avoid getting shit on for making a shitty easy vote

and on top of that, he doesn't actually FOLLOW THROUGH with a vote when he very easily could have, which feels like he's testing the waters

yes so much yes

please also read my spoiler

[DaBackpack]

FWIW, I absolutely think he's right in his assessment that these things get added to a meta, but USING THAT as justification for making an unpopular vote feels scummy as hell

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

yes so much yes

please also read my spoiler

I'm not caught up yet, still doing my first readthrough

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by mellonxcollie

You seem to think I called you wolfish or a wolf. Can you quote where I did that? You can't, because it never happened

You also clain that I "blew up" at your ping, despite there being multiple posts in between which I was obviously responding to. I was not responding to your ping in those posts, so where is me blowing up at you for simply saying "mellonxcollie"? Think you've misremembered that too

What does "shady" mean to you? Because it's synonymous with "wolfish" for me.

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

And mellonxcollie
Also one from Hakulyte explaining his gambit

Originally Posted by mellonxcollie

I think the people trying to call me or any others out as not posting are being a bit shady. The phase just started at it was night time over here in North America so it makes sense for some people not to have posted yet. Throwing shade for no reason in shit posting phase could be laying down the tracks for fake suspicions later on. A few people who did this : Shadow, Lar

As for blowing up:

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Lol I've made sure to consistently bring up you going UTR every single game since the first one I played you in, where you were SK and survived by being super UTR. Check yo facts bruhhhh
It's the only way I know how to pressure you to post more

Originally Posted by mellonxcollie

A good way to pressure someone to post more is to ask them specific questions about players or the game, or maybe throw a vote on them. Accusing people of going UTR doesn't really accomplish much especially this early in the game. It just makes me repeat the same fucking posts every single game, and encourages people to make lazy reads that aren't based on actual in-game information

Originally Posted by mellonxcollie

Also I didn't win that game by being UTR. I won that game by playing an amazing dumb tell that everyone believed. check your own facts. Also maybe look up the definition of UTR because it's not "didn't make 50 posts day one".

And yes I'm being super defensive about this because it's really annoying. Leaving for real now

Talking specifically to me, in two responses to me, where you seemed to be pretty frustrated in both.

[Charu]

Let me just quote this cute thing again.

Originally Posted by inDheart

(wolves can talk in wolfchat 24/7)

Pairings are irrelevant in this setup unless you strongly believe they're trying to make each other good or trying to make each other look like shit.

[Charu]

My 2 cents, bros

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Not as out of the blue as you might think. Read her ISO. Nine posts total this game, seven of which are defending herself by calling everyone who's noted her absence a wolf.

mellonxcollie til further notice

I retract my last point

[Charu]

Originally Posted by Charu

Let me just quote this cute thing again.



Pairings are irrelevant in this setup unless you strongly believe they're trying to make each other good or trying to make each other look like shit.

Yes, I know I flipped out on Haku with his pairing, but he didn't explain it.

Kind of just went. YEAH! LOOK AT THIS PAIRING with no explanation except for the 24/7 thing.

...Which is odd because I'm doing the same thing now, but I'm seeing pairs being used as an actual read.

Please don't do that.

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by Charu

Let me just quote this cute thing again.



Pairings are irrelevant in this setup unless you strongly believe they're trying to make each other good or trying to make each other look like shit.

I understand but I think interactions are much harder to fabricate than you'd think in terms of making them look natural

and I think even keeping 24/7 wolfchat in mind, my thoughts on sunfan + xel/shado still are valid, although it'll depend on to what extent pushes (if any) continue

also still want sunfan to respond to my question about why he's strong townreading charu so early

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

fwiw I didn't dumpster proph, I just POEd him at the end

I didn't pay attention to him very closely and let his wall posts sway me for several days

damn, this is slightly worrisome

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

I retract my last point

nah I think it still holds

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

damn, this is slightly worrisome

wut

why?

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Why's that?
Something a little more specific than "she seemed genuine" would be nice, please.

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

I really have nothing better than "she seems genuine" with 9 posts.

Haku's probably town here

-perhaps- conditional on mellon being town

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by Charu

Pairings are irrelevant in this setup unless you strongly believe they're trying to make each other good or trying to make each other look like shit.

They don't need risk improvising anything D0 here if they make up some plan.

What I'm saying is that your "cannot be W/W" theories only makes sense in the context where they don't have a 24/7 wolfchat because wolves won't be able to organize themselves as efficiently.

This is usually wolves play more safe/neutral. In this game they can do whatever they want because they can explain things to each others on the go.

[AragakiAyase]

proph when you see this I'd like for you to interact in real time if possible

also slank warning now, tomorrow is very busy for me until around 3 hours before EOD

[mellonxcollie]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

As for blowing up:
Talking specifically to me, in two responses to me, where you seemed to be pretty frustrated in both.

I never said I didn't blow up. I was frustrated.

But I did not blow up only because you pinged me by name, I blew up because of the other posts. You are trying to imply that I blew up simply because you pinged me which is not the full story. It seems wolfish to omit parts of the story like that.

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

a few more things:

I think xel and sunfan are not w/w because of how sunfan called xel out for doing the same thing with his shitposting as he did last game. I think if they were partners sunfan would be much more likely to either not mention xel there or spin it so it puts him in a better light.

for the same reason, I think shado and sunfan are not w/w because of how sunfan mentioned shado seeming too jokey like last game, and shado's reaction to it

I'd be inclined to agree with this prediction of greggles

Originally Posted by Charu

Xel, I'm a wolf.

Delightful.