TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries 2 - GAME THREAD

[XelNya]

Again though, not caught up

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

XelNya is usually at work during the day and skim a lot + throw a wall when possible. Most of his activity is during night time where he actually have time, but people are usually not online around that time. You're unlikely to have a lot of interaction with him, but he will probably show up for EoD somehow. I played enough with him to have an idea of when he's free and how often he appears in the thread. His posting style reflects that.

I woke up early for this.

EoD is an hour into my work day, I will try to get a final word in though regardless. I'm pretty fortunate in that my boss doesn't mind me texting too much on the clock because I work just as fast doing it as not doing it.

But it'll be brief and a bit sporadic. I'll leave my intentions before I leave, or try to.

[AragakiAyase]

[b]haku
shado
sunfan
jrodd
mellon
V

ind
meno
xel

xiz

not bolding red because lolvotes

[AragakiAyase]

fuck

haku
shado
sunfan
jrodd
mellon
V

ind
meno
xel

xiz

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by XelNya

I don't think there's a time in a game after shit-posting has ended you can make this vote safely with such a shit statement

or did aa convince you and you're too much a lazy pants to add your own speculation, and just opt to piggy back

I'll wait until you read my post where I say my vote is not serious.

btw, hi raeko v2.

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by XelNya

But why?

/ actually

would you say recent posts in the past like three pages change your pov on sunfan? Because they're a lot more telling than his earlier posts

and raeko like, I can't say I super hard wanna see that happen because this is a pretty active game for her, and none of it's been too bad?

thesunfan looks better, but I can't say that it's changing my mind.

raeko will probably get lock voted by me until the end of the game.

If she doesn't post soon, I'm also going to cry about her starting to be utr.

[thesunfan]

generic concluding post

don't wanna kill today
meno
AA
jrodd
Haku
raeko
V (good job getting back into the game btw, was a pleasure to read your posts)
shado

leaving
inDheart
Xiz
Xel

I feel best about there being a wolf in Xiz/Xel. I doubt they're both wolves just because I'm never that right on d0. There's almost always 2 wolves in my "don't kill today" list, but I'll deal with that later

meno is my peek

AA has some seriously good posts recently, caring about Xiz's read on him and other people's opinions on it is a good look. He also dies tonight if he's a human so I don't have to worry about him most of the time here <3.

jrodd just feels human. He doesn't feel particularly solvey, which is my biggest problem with him, but honestly even if I didn't have a gut feeling on him I'd leave him alone today. Him weighing his pride vs his opinion regarding reading me felt not too genuine but other than those 2 small things I like everything else.

Haku is probably never a wolf with his activity and continued pressure on raeko. If he's a wolf then lolme.

raeko had good responses to Haku. She's probably the least townie of people in my "don't kill today" list, and the reason I'm townreading her (the read she gave on shado) is something I know she's capable of doing as a wolf. I rarely have her cleared but I haven't hated anything she's done today.

V had pretty excellent posts, I know he's admitted to struggling as a wolf lately, and I don't think the 3 votes from 3 strong players (aa, jrodd and myself) is going to light a fire under his ass; I think its more likely to dissuade him from trying as hard as he did.

shado is my worst read on the list. I have no reason to kill him, basically. His posts aren't stellar, but they're not bad. I have him as null but I'm not gonna kill him. I /think/ there's something to be said about continuing to play instead of sleep, but its a little thing and I think he said he wasn't tired anyways.

inDheart I know is MTing, but honestly, and I don't expect him specifically to do this as a wolf, but I have seen a lot of wolves use MTing as an excuse for quality and quantity. He's had some good points here and there but I think this is reminding me of his play in the FE game, where he was a little bit lackluster towards the end there. Least confident in him being a wolf but I like him as town a lot and I don't have that feeling this game.

Xel I've already talked about. I agree that his reads list is not good and fluff is a lot more likely to come from wolf Xel than town Xel. He's felt off to me since the beginning. This is the read I most care about regarding me being right/wrong on.

Xiz's post where he was coming back into the thread I think was an attempt to save face as a wolf. I think it failed. I don't really care about his push on AA because, as AA pointed out, he often scumreads him. His responses to AA idc about either, he bites the hand that feeds him if he wants. What I care about is his attempts to connect with other people this game. He's asking other people to interact with him rather than trying to genuinely interact. The interaction with V felt forced and he didn't have a good explanation as to what happened there. There is a chance that he's town, which is why I'm gonna vote Xel instead, but I think he's a good lynch for today.

I think I'm gonna vote Xel but express my support for the Xiz wagon, just because I have a slight gut feeling about the Xiz lynch being led by town on town.

gonna hang around for another hour and 1/2 or so but I won't be paying a lot of attention

[thesunfan]

xel just so my vote isn't hidden in a big post

[ShadoWolfe]

I'm back, but I'm like falling asleep over here. If someone can give me a rundown on where Xiz stands and if he came back then that'd be great. I'mma try and catch up real quick too

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

yeah the xel reads list is garbage

he quotes mostly irrelevant posts, makes a lot of useless commentary, several of his reads don't match up with what analysis he seems to be making in the iso. in addition to the ones I mentioned, the ind being orange doesn't make sense from what I can see, the whole post just seems like a bunch of work that isn't work to seem like he's doing work

I feel like if I had just posted the list with no context you'd have liked it more at this point tbh.

[ShadoWolfe]

100/300 posts read and responded to:

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

unvote cause I think that's 4 on xiz right now

Worth noting AA did this^ It's possible as a wolf, but I think in a game like this where he knows Tokzic isn't going to post VCs he'd be more likely to keep his vote.

Originally Posted by inDheart

i blame multitabling for one

i actually forgot to post a mechanicsy thing before i disappeared last night, which is do wolves have any motivation to choose each other as adversaries? it was something i was thinking about, reading last game

Fair enough. That's an interesting question, it'll be worth looking at after EoD.

Originally Posted by inDheart

:S i thought this was pretty clear, doublecross would be wolves' only guaranteed way of continuing to kill townies. it's in reference to sabo being on a cooldown, which was the way of offing me guaranteed last game

if i was on a team that had doublecross i think you'd see people trying to tease ally/adv pairs out of other players again, perhaps not as overtly as last game since some folks dunked on the idea earlier

Maybe. That post still seems off to me. You specifically called it "fun", which isn't something I'd expect to see in speculation on wolf behavior.

Originally Posted by Xiz

at lunch on the shoot rn

I think I am wrong this game

AA thank you for your posts. If you go back and dig like that it's hard for me to see a wolf you do that. I wish I can answer everything but I cant.

V, your comment was fuel to the fire in regards to sunfan. I was thinking and evolving my thoughts on sunfan and it was NOT lazy, I still defend it. I agree'd with it probably because of how I am constantly skimming and rushing posts to catch up this game due to my limited time. I THOUGHT sunfan was scum for rolehunting but it was pointed out that he said shooting for my film, not shooting as in vigi, so I jumped the gun on my bait so whoops.

Jrod's swap feels weird, but reasonable since so much steam is on me.

Indheart is town.


Also I will say this one more time:

I only signed up for this game with people being aware I cannot commit a full game's amount of work into it, and I will be rushing but still trying. Work with me homiez.

raeko for rn



Also tokzic if I can post with all the shit im doing you can do a votecount come on bud

Originally Posted by Xiz

raeko because she feels very sheepy and shes playing very similar to her wolf game I just had with her

Uh, yeah.. which game was that?
I haven't read a wolf game of Raeko's lately where she wasn't UTR and excuse-filled. Can anyone answer this for Xiz if he isn't here?

onto page 2:

[Tokzic]

Current Votecount:

Xiz (3): V #615, ShadoWolfe #618, j-rodd #686
Xel (2): Hakulyte #786, thesunfan #867
Raeko (1): Xiz #705
ShadoWolfe (1): inDheart #759

No Vote: Meno #221, Xel #578, AA #687, Raeko

1.5h remain in phase.

[Hakulyte]

Oh, obligatory raeko vote I guess.

[Hakulyte]

She's starting to be back to UTR mode and she never voted anyone the entire game.

Sounds familiar now?

I've seen her view the thread 3 times now and not a single post.

[inDheart]

i'm in a meeting but refreshing for some reason

[Hakulyte]

I don't care if she doesn't argue with me, but she should at least take a stance with what's going on in the game.

[meno_rocks123]

Oh ffs, I go to sleep and come back to ~360 more posts. Time to get some work in.

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by meno_rocks123

Oh ffs, I go to sleep and come back to ~360 more posts. Time to get some work in.

get used to this

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

So, if you triple your post count, you're town?

No. If you triple your post count after being known for slanking as wolf, and sound natural, then yes you're usually town.

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Why is quantity a bigger factor than quality?

It's not. She's pulling off both.

Originally Posted by inDheart

shado has a much hollower case than usual on me though

notices i'm not talking mechanics much, but thinks a post where i am doing that is only possible from a wolf pov

not to mention i see /no one at all/ playing to a doublecross condition, and it feels like he's not in THIS game

What are you even talking about? Your last two justifications made sense, this just looks like OMGUS.
If it feels like I'm not here, then you must be fucking invisible. There's such a thing as an ISO, have you looked at it? There's such a thing as post presence. I'd say a good majority of your posts have been weaker reaction posts. Have you read mine? Go ahead, ask around. I'd wager I have a stronger post presence than you at half your postcount.
Is this your one reason for voting me? That looks pretty bad, inD..

Originally Posted by inDheart

to do it differently:

people i don't want to touch
sunfan
aa

people i don't mind touching
(rest of list pending the line of qs i'm going down)

people i want to touch
shado

This sounds wrong, but I'm game.

200/300 posts caught up and responded to.

[ShadoWolfe]

Just checked.
inD's vote is still on me, all he's done since placing it is talk about Xel.
inD's vote was placed when I was notably absent and had potential to not return.

Really not looking good...