TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries 2 - GAME THREAD

[Vendetta21]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

The odd part was his timing with my posts and possibly how he attacked AA.

He did some partial quoting as well. I don't know if AA noticed.

yeah A R T I C U L A T E this

[Vendetta21]

you may even have to quote posts

[inDheart]

guess no one answered my open question rip

@sunfan: who would you say is your permanent tinfoil?

[inDheart]

that probably looks dumb next to my last post

i d c

[Vendetta21]

Originally Posted by inDheart

guess no one answered my open question rip

@sunfan: who would you say is your permanent tinfoil?

just an out of the flow of the game pro-tip, if the question is actually good you will have to keep asking it over and over to get your answer because the person will do their best to ignore it

[AragakiAyase]

it's time to dissect xelnya's readlist

mellon iso:

Originally Posted by XelNya

I did this a lot more differently than usual, in case you're like "wait xel wtf is dis"

Mellon:

This is the only post from page one that has any value



This post is bad for a really important reason. It comes off as a cover via "I didn't roll wolf twice in a row."

I really dislike this post. If it wasn't a bit of a shit-post I'd have instantly scum read you for it.



Tone-wise this post is good. Content-wise, my complaint is that she should know that sabo is two night cool down, not one, and you should know if blocking a kill is possible (hint: there's three possible ways.) Especially if you played in the last game.



Why would you clarify the only the scum leans? No one expects a quote wall here but?



Gonna actually say I like this post.

how do you quote so little relevant stuff? I think mellon has done a good job of actively producing reads and taking stances and asking questions, but what you have here is basically a shitpost, a mechanics oriented question, a reads list, and a read. You seem to take the most issue with the shitpost (lol), take no stance on the mechanics post (fine, but the way you did it weird to me because you go one way and then the other). then you have a problem with her clarifying her scum reads? I think that was actually a towny thing to do and I don't think it was too early to make that kind of post. Then you say that post where she makes a read on shado is good, fine. But no other comments? based on your analysis presented, it seems like she'd be fairly null or even a scum lean, but you come out with her as a town lean.

next is me

Originally Posted by XelNya

AA:

This post is really funny.



See this post gets me now that I kinda think on it.





UHG. Now that I am rereading this I am liking you less and less. Because I don't think you'd actually speculate the wolves are scared of a self-kill, because the chances might be super random but statistically they probably have a super high chance of netting a town first go. Later in the game sure, you'd have more reason to be scared but not this early?

I dunno. This is feeling way more off to me than it did earlier.



But you know and realize the stratigic nature of not going for the garunteed kill with no information? Like let me theory craft a little on mindsets here and it may just be how I'd approach it but there's like, zero reason to drop sabo unless you've never wolfed before and are scared? I dunno. I don't see the advantage of securing an early kill vs netting an informed one later.



This is a good post though. Gotta give you that.



Ew.



This post is a little more gross in hindsight. Because I played it off as "alright maybe he was just skimming."



Wait.

Maybe xizu is actually onto something. I haven't seen his case as of writing this but?



....

so you have a problem with me speculating about the nightkill (or lack thereof in this case), fine, I can see that. But your reasoning for why I shouldn't speculate is pretty questionable, because your statement that statistically the wolves have a super high chance of hitting a town on the first try is just wrong. Could get more into math but it's about equal to what I'm guessing the distribution of the wolves is (8-3) so I think it's plausible that they were scared to kill. My thoughts were based largely off of last setup when I heard that wolves had used sabo to knock someone out ASAP, and I figured they would do it again if they had the chance (didn't actually know about the cd lolme). The next few quotes are fine, but then the "this is a little more gross in hindsight" part doesn't make any sense. Can you explain why you have the last 3 quotes the way you did, and how that makes me a scumlean? the posts you've picked out dont' seem to have any real thought process behind them.

posting this now because I have class soon, will go through the entire reads list dw

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

It's like I afk'd half of the phase and suddenly you posted "I don't like Xiz"

and poof, out of nowhere, I come say hello and tell you how right you are and follow up with another vote on Xiz.

..and then the fantastic scenario happens a second time. (Is this Christmas?)

That's why it's odd to me even if we're agreeing.

Maybe it's just a coincidence.

are you talking to me or V here?

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

You sounded like someone who had an agenda with thesunfan on V and I didn't like it at all.

how so? he wasn't posting and what posts he did have were very lacking, and V's wolf meta lately seems to be to not post

[Vendetta21]

even if it's a bad question, keep asking whatever you want to know until you get an answer. relentlessness is important

[Vendetta21]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

are you talking to me or V here?

use of the word "odd" and our line of questioning indicates me, don't give him an out

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by inDheart

shado has a much hollower case than usual on me though

notices i'm not talking mechanics much, but thinks a post where i am doing that is only possible from a wolf pov

not to mention i see /no one at all/ playing to a doublecross condition, and it feels like he's not in THIS game

bad vote for today, he's not going to be here and I think he's 99% town

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by Vendetta21

use of the word "odd" and our line of questioning indicates me, don't give him an out

yeah never mind, I misread it

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

The odd part was his timing with my posts and possibly how he attacked AA.

He did some partial quoting as well. I don't know if AA noticed.

didn't notice, don't really care because I think his push on me was fabricated and weak

[inDheart]

Originally Posted by Vendetta21

just an out of the flow of the game pro-tip, if the question is actually good you will have to keep asking it over and over to get your answer because the person will do their best to ignore it

it was to anyone, it was would wolves pick each other as adversaries

i've arrived at "no, unless they have the balls"

[Hakulyte]

@ partial quoting refers to this: #542

I'm not sure where to stand for AA vs Xiz and it seems like he changed his mind later on.

[Vendetta21]

don't let your resolve stale just keep fuckin asking questions

[Hakulyte]

@Xiz: Why did you say that AA was lying?

[inDheart]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

bad vote for today, he's not going to be here and I think he's 99% town

to do it differently:

people i don't want to touch
sunfan
aa

people i don't mind touching
(rest of list pending the line of qs i'm going down)

people i want to touch
shado

[AragakiAyase]

xel iso continued

j-rodd:

Originally Posted by XelNya

Jrod:

Haven't you played enough with AA to know his tone is this disgustinly neutral one unless he's tilted?



It's been forever since I've played with you, but didn't you used to be a lot more aggresive early on or am I full of shit / confusing it with live twg?



Wai u no explain



This is not something I'd expect you to say wtf is this shit

you comment on jrodd thinking my tone is tryhardy, question his meta/entrance, ask for explanations on villa circle, then question something that turns out to be a joke post. WHY IS THERE SO LITTLE RELEVANT CONTENT? and again, like mellon, HOW does that get him a town lean?


haku:

Originally Posted by XelNya

Haku:

Oh for fuck's sake.



/cringe



/stabs a kitten with a chainsaw



JEEZ this is actually a super good post from you.

Like, wow.



1. Why aren't you postulating your own thoughts as a starting point?
2. Why aren't you steering the game to that direction?
3. ???
4. Dicks.

in order: blah post, blah post, blah post, not sure if sarcasm but if it is condescending post, useless questions

hey look your conclusion in terms of a read somewhat makes sense here

[AragakiAyase]

yeah the xel reads list is garbage

he quotes mostly irrelevant posts, makes a lot of useless commentary, several of his reads don't match up with what analysis he seems to be making in the iso. in addition to the ones I mentioned, the ind being orange doesn't make sense from what I can see, the whole post just seems like a bunch of work that isn't work to seem like he's doing work