TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries 2 - GAME THREAD

[AragakiAyase]

xel what's your problem with me exactly? because reading your quoted posts it seems like you don't like that I'm asking questions and thinking about the game

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

I really don't like Xiz aorn. His progression on sunfan seemed really opportunistic. He goes from saying sunfan is null (but that he doesn't want him dead today), to wanting him lynched asap really really quickly.







To seeing an opportunity when Vendetta came in out of nowhere with a vote on sunfan:






To escalating all the way to a "let's lynch him today", for something that wasn't even said. It reads to me like Xiz got a little excited when he saw Vendetta's vote, and that translated to being trigger-happy over perceptions made too quickly:


Considering that "what are you shooting tomorrow" should obviously refer to the filming that Xiz mentioned was being done, and that Xiz would have no reason to escalate that quickly over something that small unless he really wanted sunfan dead and saw an opportunity in V's vote.

oh now it looks like I copied shado shado probably town for the mindmeld though

[AragakiAyase]

haku
sunfan
shado
jrodd
mellon
V

meno
ind

xel
xiz

a little concerned about jrodd because absence always makes me wary. V palegreen still because I'm wondering if he's just a wolf who made a burst of energy not to get lynched, but his recent posts were quite towny. xiz because I've made my case already. xel's posts and readlists don't really make sense to me and don't seem great, I'll reread the readlist more indepth later but eh. ind really lacks presence this game, I remember him saying to me when we were both town that he always lacks presence, but that string of posts with him commenting on a few things and then not making any substantial reads felt very weak.

ind posts starting here is what I'm talking about:

Originally Posted by inDheart

i'm starting to wonder what a towny late opening or catchup even looks like, i feel like i don't see quality ones often

[AragakiAyase]

OK

I'm curious if anyone actually shares xiz's sentiment, it seems like xel is independently wolfreading me for something else but I'm not actually sure what it is because he never says it clearly

I'm also curious who else thinks xiz is a wolf besides me/V/shado

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by inDheart

these have to not be ordered, please tell me they're not ordered

this just feels fake and also is kind of a random thing to take strong issue with

like if they're ordered, then ??? but since they're most likely not ordered, why raise a fuss?

Originally Posted by inDheart

haku
xel
sunfan
jrodd
aa
xiz
raeko/meno
shado
V

aorn

unvote simply because i don't know what v's at

some of these feel criminally low but that's what happens when you put everyone in a list

readslist but ? no real reads here or anywhere else in the sequence of posts

[AragakiAyase]

it feels like ind is a wolf who's struggling to post concrete thoughts

xel I see you, talk to me about your scumread on me because I really don't understand where it's coming from

don't be a xiz and give me nothing on the premise that I'll try to refute it

[ShadoWolfe]

Okay, I really should be asleep at this point, but fuck it what's really the difference between 3 hours of sleep and 0.5 hours of sleep amirite?
I'm right.


Okay, I just refreshed my memory of Raeko, Haku, Xel, sunfan, and jrodd. I had just done inD and Meno before starting, and Xiz and V earlier to night. I'm not rereading AA because there's just too much and I'm tired.

1. j-rodd I don't have much experience with j-rodd, but he's my peek so he's definitely clear.
4. Raeko top town aside from j-rodd. so natural she clearly uses natura conditioner. So fresh and clean she clearly uses pantene pro-v. I loved her exchange with Haku, and I wish she'd post like this more often. If she flips wolf, I think it'd have been worth letting her win if it means she'll continue to play like this instead of being the most annoying type of player, "The UTR Wolf".
7. Vendetta21 Yes, this list is in order. V is this high up for me. I'm having difficulty seeing how Wolf V would pass up an opportunity to gather up support to lynch sunfan (Xiz+V could probably get it done) in favor of admitting his mistake, and then analyzing Xiz' motivation and going after him instead. I had him as null before, but that sold me.
3. thesunfan Not very sure of sunfan this game, but he hasn't done anything to throw me off. He's been pretty laid back of late, seems to be staying pretty objective and taking a sort of observer role. I can definitely see that from town sunfan, and would expect wolf sunfan to be a little more proactive in taking charge of the game, so I'm townleaning him for now.
9. XelNya Xel has been playing a bit better than I remember from him. He's been playing naturally, making jokes as usual, but responds to questions and shares thoughts and insights that aren't piggybacking other players. I like what I'm seeing here so far. Town-lean.
5. Meno Meno seems to be waiting for D1 to pass. He's had a couple of observations where it's apparent that he's paying attention to the game, but just doesn't want to get involved until the game is over. I don't like that attitude personally, but think it's coming from a towny perspective in this game.
8. AragakiAyase He's been playing a good game so far. This would be more of a town-lean if it weren't for a pinch of gutread and a pinch of tinfoil on my end. I normally like his playstyle, but he's seemed a little rough around the edges this game, and I can't shake the feeling that something's off. Null for now.
10. Hakulyte Haku's null aorn. His play really isn't as polarized as it used to be, and he's slowly been getting harder to read. There's never been a huge volume tell with him, it's always been more about content. It used to be that Haku would shitpost 90% of the game away as town, and be a pretty serious wolf, but he's been blurring that line pretty steadily. He's been pretty serious throughout this game, but it's been just relaxed enough to where I can't tell outright if he's wolfing it or not. If there's one thing I know about Haku, though, it's that he'll solve himself eventually. Null for now.
2. inDheart He's been popping in occasionally, but never for long and never to get really analytical. That's a red flag for me because inD is usually a very analytical player, and will try to bite into the meat of the game as much as possible. In this case, though, he's been hanging so far back that I forgot he was playing for a minute. I had him as null-leaning-scum for that until I read through his ISO and caught a pretty revealing post that points to definite inside knowledge of the wolf team. I really can't see any other way to explain that, and I'd have him as my top scum if I hadn't been wrong about a perceived slip just last game. As it is, I'd rather be safe than sorry here and give him a chance to redeem himself. Still, until he does, he's lynchpick #2.
11. Xiz Wasn't sure about him until recently. He came off as really opportunistic in his vote on sunfan after saying he didn't want to see sunfan lynched, for logic that wasn't applicable and didn't make sense. Beyond that, his ISO has all sorts of little contradictions and things that bug me, like how he said "shit sunfans town" and then now was saying he's been null-reading him. Also, his other main target was AA, who he recently said he wanted to see dead, but has only had iffy logic so far. Targeting sunfan and AA as primary lynchpicks just makes him seem even more opportunistic. I think he's trying to target what he perceives are strong players, so that he can contend with the rest of us later. Beyond that, he had two back to back questions form sunfan and haku in:
"Xiz, why did Raeko give off slightly wolfy vibes"
and
"4.) Where's ShadoWolfe?"
In posts 192 and 193 consecutively, his responses to those two players were, "Because vibes from our past wolf game together", and "Getting vibes from the past". The similarity of those two scumleans just screams lazy wolfing, which makes sense because of how pressed for time he is. He also made those two posts within a minute of each other, which indicates he didn't really go over the second one. All in all, Xiz is my top scum and I'll likely be keeping my vote on him through tomorrow.

[AragakiAyase]

shado if I feel rough around the edges, it's because my mood lately hasn't been great

at least that's what I think it is, because I'm town

the alternative is that I'm just playing sloppy lol

[AragakiAyase]

oh hey let's see where I mindmeld with shado on his list

V read
indheart read
xiz read

3/9 (not counting read on me) with strong mindmelds, shado moving up to 99% town

[ShadoWolfe]

It is now 6:10am. If I skip my shower, I can get 20 minutes of sleep before I need to get up. If I skip my shower and my breakfast, I can get 30-35 minutes of sleep. If I skip my shower, my breakfast, and carry out my business today in ruffled hair and PJs, I might get 50 minutes of sleep....

I don't feel sleepy now, though. This sucks.

[AragakiAyase]

btw shado I'd make your xiz vote explicit again, bold/red is equivalent to the twgv tag so ind and xiz will get confused

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

It is now 6:10am. If I skip my shower, I can get 20 minutes of sleep before I need to get up. If I skip my shower and my breakfast, I can get 30-35 minutes of sleep. If I skip my shower, my breakfast, and carry out my business today in ruffled hair and PJs, I might get 50 minutes of sleep....

I don't feel sleepy now, though. This sucks.

stay safe out there today please

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

shado if I feel rough around the edges, it's because my mood lately hasn't been great

at least that's what I think it is, because I'm town

the alternative is that I'm just playing sloppy lol

I'm sorry to hear that, Ethan ):
Hope whatever it is that's been stressin ya eases up soon.

Also stop playing sloppy you sad soppy sack of shit!
JP ;P

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

I'm sorry to hear that, Ethan ):
Hope whatever it is that's been stressin ya eases up soon.

Also stop playing sloppy you sad soppy sack of shit!
JP ;P

thanks, I appreciate it. should be fine, it's not anything too serious, just make sure you don't fall asleep today

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

stay safe out there today please

Thanks! I'll be alright lol used to sleepless nights (especially of late).
Although the last time this happened, I remember being so dazed out that I was calling out answers to a quiz as the teacher read them off the board, then being confused as to why the teacher was looking at me in horror.

[Vendetta21]

okay please acknowledge AA is not dying today anyone who is thinking about him, he is our top poster and even if you don't think he is town his WIM is obvious and he deserves to live

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

oh hey let's see where I mindmeld with shado on his list

V read
indheart read
xiz read

3/9 (not counting read on me) with strong mindmelds, shado moving up to 99% town

I was going to ask why a mindmeld on three reads meant 99% town, until I realized that you agree with me on V, inD, and Xiz, who are all controversial reads at this point.
I also read your case against Xiz. I hadn't noticed that, but it definitely seems odd that he keeps referring you back to "you're not reading my posts" when there don't seem to be any posts to refer back to ... I'm moving you up to lime green, borderline seagreen but not quite there if only because the vote against Xiz is a technical omgus (not really applicable because his vote on you doesn't seem to have a factual basis but still)

[ShadoWolfe]

But yeah, that's all from me for now. I'll likely check in around 1pm PST (3pm server), but if I miss that window for any reason then I'll be missing EoD. Vote's on Xiz for reasons stated. Fingers crossed and fairly confident we're hitting red.


Also, for Ee(than)yore:

kk BBL!

[j-rodd123]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Huh, I know meno also have a peek on V, but is there a third player with a peek on V as well?

Is this true? even tho i'm ldo the real seer we shouldn't lynch a triple peeked player

[AragakiAyase]

oh hey jrodd welcome back

can you drop reads when you're caught up