TWG CLXI - Egregious Miscalculations GAME THREAD

[AragakiAyase]

Or if you do suspect them, why does it seem like I'm your primary focus?

[FreezinIce]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

If you don't I'll probably think you're scummier for it

Well I guess I have to ask this now.

Why?

[FreezinIce]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

Or if you do suspect them, why does it seem like I'm your primary focus?

There's a perfectly good reason for this

The reason is shut up

That's the reason

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

Well I guess I have to ask this now.

Why?

Because you would've thrown out a possibility that you were all gung-ho on pursuing and then all of a sudden that's gone

I find that scum are more likely to have sudden changes in approaches to the game because they see certain possibilities to get mislynches, win, etc.

Like in xiz's bastard game, v was a lover turned sk. All game he pretended (as sk) to have no interest in the game because supposedly he couldn't win. When all of a sudden in f4 he went super try hard mode

[FreezinIce]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

Because you would've thrown out a possibility that you were all gung-ho on pursuing and then all of a sudden that's gone

I find that scum are more likely to have sudden changes in approaches to the game because they see certain possibilities to get mislynches, win, etc.

Like in xiz's bastard game, v was a lover turned sk. All game he pretended (as sk) to have no interest in the game because supposedly he couldn't win. When all of a sudden in f4 he went super try hard mode

No.

Bad.

That's what I died for in CLIX fuck your scum tell

[FreezinIce]

How about thinking that someone might take actions outside of your narrow ass paradigm for once

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

No.

Bad.

That's what I died for in CLIX fuck your scum tell

???

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

How about thinking that someone might take actions outside of your narrow ass paradigm for once

It's a possibility which is why I said scummier, not scum

It's a model that works for me, of course there are going to be exceptions but it's right more than its wrong

[AragakiAyase]

I never said I'd lynch you based on just that, I simply said I'd probably find you scummier for backing off suddenly
If there was a good progression then sure
You're overreacting right now though

[FreezinIce]

Well good thing this is predicated on you being alive tomorrow. If you die then I'll go after whoever I feel is most scummy. If you live I'm going after full force after you. Today im not lynching outside of pazazz / storn

[AragakiAyase]

Oh boy thanks for moving me one step further to living through the night

[AragakiAyase]

Also answer the questions

Why me over other towny people? And what's my scum tell? You can answer the first question tomorrow if we're alive

[FreezinIce]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

???

CLIX I did unorthodox stuff with multiple shifts in tone and pushes and got pretty much fearlynched for it

[FreezinIce]

I'll answer both tomorrow

[storn42]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

That's pretty much what I said.

Kill the easy people and wait for people to die before going after the deep wolves. It isn't a wrong stratagy, just not one I'm going to do this time

This just kind of sounds scummy. "kill the easy people" sounds quite lazy and anti-town if you ask me. It very much gives me the impression that you would rather just hop on a bandwagon than do some work and read people until you have to.

[storn42]

quick reads list. gunna do some work tomorrow when im not about to fall asleep. so like the gut lean i had for example is null until i look into it later.

Hakulyte - slight town
AragakiAyase - slight town
R.E. Aryxi - null
dAnceguy117 - null
danceflashrevo - null
MixMasterLar - slight town
mellonxcollie - town
storn42 - woof
dadcop2 - null
Pazzaz - slight woof
FreezinIce - slight slight woof

[R.E. Aryxi]

Storn you never did answer my questions.

[R.E. Aryxi]

You also moved dadcop from scummy to null now.

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

I'll answer both tomorrow

tomorrow in real time or game time?

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by storn42

im sorry im trying to make an effort to try and put some content out there. i'll stop now.

implying you had content at this point

Originally Posted by storn42

ok, so which part of this is me being storn and which part of this is me being a woof? im sure you can remember last game where i started out by pushing against AA followed by me ditching the thread and unvoting.

trying to get people to meta him, I think that's more wolfy than not because wolves would prefer people to try and read them on less concrete things and hopefully read them incorrectly

Originally Posted by storn42

i just had a thought though. so like woofs right? they're lone and dont know who their partners are. So like, anyone they think could be a woof would be pretty hard to lynch based off of that because they could lynch their partners. That means any woof making a vote would want to do it on someone more of a null persay and not someone who they actively think is woofy. who better than me right? So im just thinking that a woof could put a vote on me seeing that im clearly a scummy storn who is town and not actually a woof.

thinks about lost wolves mechanics

Originally Posted by storn42

alright. i'll ask you again. what is it that im doing that shows me as a woof, that i wouldn't do in my normal towny game?

this is a fine question

Originally Posted by storn42

random gut read

AA

something to note is that as town, storn usually has pushed on me

but it feels off this time, much more of an afterthought

Originally Posted by storn42

and im not getting mislynched this game.

the post

super slip I think still

Originally Posted by storn42

what i dont like is that recently we found the whole charu mindmelds with me as a woof when im town, this has been proven through the last game. Him trying a gimmik that makes him hard to read just kind of says something about that. This happens to be his first woof game (assuming he rolls woof) since that kind of came up.

charu mindmeld thing

Originally Posted by storn42

its true! storn

But what im actually saying is that i think its likely that a woof would hop on my wagon this game. That is, unless they actually THINK im a woof

Originally Posted by storn42

unvote

self votes, but then immediately unvotes, feels unusual for storn

Originally Posted by storn42

its true! storn

But what im actually saying is that i think its likely that a woof would hop on my wagon this game. That is, unless they actually THINK im a woof

Originally Posted by storn42

aight, so i've not been getting good sleep and its D0 so fuck reads. But i got something for you. I been thinking who stood out as possibely the woofiest here to me and MML seemed to come to mind. So, lets start at point #1




What i find interesting about this post is, not the fact that he's scumreading me, but that he posts things i've done which were similar to what i did last game. He's says im his second strongest scum. I'm surprised that he wouldn't be more cautious of me, since just like this game, he thought i was the scummiest player of 4 (including 2 woofs). Given that this happened just last game, im surprized he is so gungho about how im playing very scummy, without showing really much of what im doing different this game as apposed to last.



Once again we have someone saying that they haven't rolled woof in a while. how great. 1/2 the time its when they roll woof that they post it.



This is something i didn't pick up on until re-reading. I feel like an idiot for it because i realize here that MML thinks I AM A WOOF. I realize this now, but it very much feels like MML is trying to ping me here. like "hey buddy, you roll woof this game? "


MML

this is self-meta and stretching all over the place

Originally Posted by storn42

slight scum. pretty much what AA said a bit earlier in the thread, but at the same time im not uber confident that thats how im reading him. While reading that thread i was thinking "yea thats kind of scummy" but i want to make sure this is what im thinking and not just me following the bandwagon.

shows independent thought, the 2nd half

Originally Posted by storn42

Aight, so people seem to be confused (or atleast were) about the charu NK. Its as simple as this, on N1 you woof check your partners by NKing them to see if they die. If they dont, well either you are unlucky, or they are one of your parnters. If no kill happens you have more information to play with, and information is everything in this game. Cleary with the way charu was acting it would make sense that i would want to send a NK on him to make sure he isn't town. Seeing that he died, im less likely to try and defend him on accident thinking that he is a woof partner when he isn't. that said, still sucks for woofs that they nked the miller.

gross post

Originally Posted by storn42

Well the way i see it is that i dont form stong opinions. I tend to sit back, and watch what happens, chiming in on anything i feel needs to be looked at or hasn't been commented on and needs to be. Eventually i find someone i really dont like and tunnel on them. Not saying i like that about myself, but its something i've come to realize. As a woof its pretty much the same thing. i look for what people are doing and try to read them for it, unless i have something strong on someone i tend to ignore them. My teamates tend to get undefended or even bussed by me, and sometimes that bus can be more of a train going into a tunnel.

I disagree with this actually, I think you do form strong opinions as town, at the very least "hey this person seems pretty scummy"

there's been nothing of the sort this game except for a weak push on me/MML/t-force, and your reads list is all null/weak leans. no strong townreads?

Originally Posted by storn42

Who would i rather have die instead of me? Well... pretty much anybody right now. Like i really have a nice group of people to chose from!

Maybe i could kill dadcop, he seems new. did something scummy, is voting for me.

Maybe Pazzaz, he's kind of inactive. could be a woof lurking in the dark

Might just let AA die. he didn't die last night!

MML is my woof bro so no way he's dead.

i could kill storn! he seems like a good choice, i should hop on towns #1 wagon.

But you probably want to know who i would shoot. the answer is between DFR and Dance. Gut says there is a woof between the two and im just not sure which one.

why?

Originally Posted by storn42

how accurate are you at reading me? cus that would be something interesting to know.

it'd be great if you could do things that were towny instead of question how good people are reading at you

tldr: storn iso shows he's done very little this game, has very weak reads and there's a lot of self-meta

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by Pazzaz

Aa threw the first vote though.

in response to MML saying that first one to throw the vote is a wolf (jokingly), but pazzaz interprets it rather seriously. seems weird also seems like he could be trying to shade me

Originally Posted by Pazzaz

Ok about MML:



In all of these very early posts he suggested many different wolves. It felt to me like he is a wolf trying to find other wolves. Yes they are shitposty but he may just have been trying to hide his true intentions.
Also, I was pretty surprised how he reacted when I mistakenly said that he suggested wolves in #124. He obviously went back and checked the post and the very next one, #125, was obviously the one I meant. Felt like he was ignoring that just to get his point across.

About freezin:

I don't really have freezin as scum lean, he's more neutral for me. Don't take my tinfoil theory that seriously.

this post takes a similar stance to storn as a reason for scumreading MML

I don't buy it

Originally Posted by Pazzaz

Fine guys, here are my reads:

1. Hakulyte
      1. Partly called out 7.1 nice
      2. Didn't directly say he's town, seems pretty town to me.
         1. #172
      3. pretty null to me so far, having a hard time reading haku
2. AragakiAyase
      1. "First" post doesn't really matter to me
      2. Nice that you're keeping to your promise of pressuring inactives, I like it.
3. R.E. Aryxi
      1. hmm, not much activity
      2. Says he'll post but then doesn't post hmm...
      3. Seems scummy to me
4. Charu
      1. Pretty funny guy, seems nice
      2. Would say that we are mindmelding but I think beyond Oh's and spyros
5. dAnceguy117
      1. Seems like a nice guy
      2. We often think alike
6. danceflashrevo
      1. Chance doesn't work like that...
         1. #249
      2. having a hard time reading him...
7. MixMasterLar
      1. His second post claimed VT hmmmm...
         1. And then he did it again wtf
            1. #206
      2. Threw out suggestions about who his wolf partners were, maybe trying to see what stuck.
         1. #22, #25 and #125 
         2. I don't really know how blind wolves usually play but it seems pretty wolfy to me.
      3. Trying to derail the thread with useless unrelated posts, but if I remember correctly that's normal for him
         1. can anyone confirm?
      4. Lied when he said that choof wanted a discussion on who should die "right now".
      5. Don't really like him, seems pretty scummy
8. choof
      1. Nice read list
            1. #361
      2. Spammy posts
      3. Leave Charu alone
      4. I like him, thinks like me.
9. storn42
      1. Same as 7.2
      2. Not really liking him
10. dadcop2
      1. You're making a big mistake not having an avatar.
            1. it is important to have something like cute anime girls, will make more people like you
      2. null
11. T-Force
      1. sick of cupcakes, policy lynch plz
            1. /s
      2. Not really being that relevant in the game but seems to be picking up the pace now
      3. pretty null to me
12. Pazzaz
      1. best dude
13. FreezinIce
      1. low content / post
      2. null

I now these reads are pretty bland but it's all I can give you.
So in summary most people are null to me but MML is my biggest scum and Charu is my biggest town.


Anything specific you wanna talk about?

reads

weak reads

Originally Posted by Pazzaz

Hey MML I don't really dislike you that much, my argument was very flimsy, we still good etc.
storn

buddying so hard

there's even less here