TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

[Precarious]

XelNya

Xel takes a non-serious but aggressive tone to start. I still have no idea how to interpret Xel's opening day; it's just so aggressively unhelpful in most places that it kind of defies alignment. There are some little digs here and there at Haku that really irritated Haku. Then was an actual content post (#312 - a few reads) hidden in the middle of the random stuff. I don't really care for all that, because it creates the illusion of activity without having to commit to reads or game ideas, but some people play that way. The thing is, every now and then on D0, there are little snippets where Xel actually plays or makes game related observations. The whole thing is weird.

Anyway, Xel continues this way for a while. There are some observations on posts he likes, but the opinions feel wrong. On the other hand, he stays on Haku consistently. It's obvious that there's real thinking, regardless of alignment, going on behind the nonsense posting, but it's difficult to get at it. Given that, though, I really don't like the D0 vote on Freezin, because it has nothing to support it.

Originally Posted by XelNya

I dun has tem to read freezin

I understand coming down on one side or the other, but come on.

On the second day, Xel's approached changed entirely. He challenged Shado on Shado's bad suggestion of shooting Charu, and started replying to and examining more game stuff. There was a little bit of stuff that looked like buddying with Charu, but that's inevitable in a game based around conversation. #1223 actually contains a lot of real thought and an interesting approach to the Shado shot situation. On reconsideration, though, I'm not so sure what to think of Xel's initial self-inclusion in the shot pool, given that it's almost a dare (and one that's unlikely to be taken up as a result). Didn't fully agree with Zenith on not lynching newcomers, but didn't fully disagree either. Was extremely pissed off for like six straight posts, I think from suspicion? (starting at #1389) Memes coming back too. Goes after Mellon in #1564. Ended up voting DFR in the DFR/Juckter split.

Started off with some mechanical speculation abouts the second night's two kills, then did this scummy feeling thing where he asked about who Charu guarded (Charu responded that he wasn't guarding anyone). Acknowledged a weak EoD. Mixed in images and sarcasm with real arguments, sort of a blend of the first two days. Did not like psycho. Made a case against psycho as the serial killer, based on towniness. Not super convincing to me, but at the very least it was an effort post.

Today, acknowledged that the night kills look bad, but argued that he'd have never done them as a result. That invites a WIFOM argument, which set off a small war of words over terminology. Sort of suspects me for SK, but doesn't see how the third night kills would make sense if I was (this is funny to me, because the third night is the one that most closely approximates what I would have done if I was). At the same time, NK analysis does require real thought, and some of it outside the box. Got a little snippy while under pressure, although most people do.

If Mellon and Zenith are the SK pool, then Xel and MML are the wolf pool, and MML looks a lot townier than Xel. The thing is, on its face, there's not a whole lot to pin on Xel. The meme-y, off topic stuff is hard to parse, and there's some real thought in places. I'm not sure how I feel about the early interactions with Haku; I can't tell if its team distancing, real pressure, or somewhere in between. Charu's point that Xel has been reluctant to name a wolf candidate is an interesting one, because I can see that bending in both directions: it could speak to a guilty conscience, or it could speak to real confusion. And then there was the self-shot gambit. Ultimately, I lean toward Xel being the wolf from the remaining player base, but I don't really feel great about it. I'd rather lynch Mellon today, but that's unlikely to happen.

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by mellonxcollie

Why not and why?

It was misunderstanding SK and then it was excuses. Contrast that with my second SK pick, Pre, and it's not that great.

Also Xel basically took his ball and went him.


Anyway Raeko who are your top scum, who do YOU think we should vote? 25 minutes from EoD let's hear 'em

[Precarious]

Originally Posted by mellonxcollie

Oh, I misunderstood the first post. I really don't even know how

For some reason I thought it meant just investigative immune person?

And there was a chance of there not being an SK

Like: chance of there being an investigative immune person OR chance of there being 1-shot bulltetproof SK

I thought we assumed there was an SK because of the night kills.

Wow that was dumb tho eh

Well this is something.

[Precarious]

I hate to admit it, but I kind of agree with Charu's assessment of this.

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by XelNya

Zenith I'm always angry when people make shitty votes on me.

Which is what yours is.

Devolving to responses like this doesn't help.

Needless to say but will anyways, you are meriting an OMGUS vote on me for what? The amount of work I've put in this phase? Sorry, from irl things and other stuff going on, sorry that TWG isn't on my priority list, you can fucking deal with that.

I'm still on the high of successfully reading and starting a wagon on Juckter (though wish I called it from the get-go like Psycho did) and him flipping wolf but Charu is right, I do tunnel, and lately when I go full tunnel mode, I've flipped more wolves than I have town (over the last few games since my being unbanned).

Eat a dick Xelnya, you're better than this and you're reducing yourself to this shit-tier style and play (not targeting your work here but your attitude and how you are dealing with my pressure).

[Charu]

Alright alright, so before we get too far with this, I want to discuss AFTER this phase.

[MixMasterLar]

I typed home and got him

That sums up how I feel about this game to be honest

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by Precarious

I hate to admit it, but I kind of agree with Charu's assessment of this.

That it's you and Xel?

[Precarious]

Ugh, I'm considering suggesting a huge gamble that's probably not worth it, and part of it depends on something I don't want to discuss mechanically, because discussing it could help either anti-town faction.

So let me ask: is everyone here pretty convinced that Xel is the wolf? Because I'm going to suggest something crazy if there's any doubt.

[Charu]

If we myslynch, I just want to let the wolves know... you're fucked 100% of the time if you don't know something.

Hee hee hee

[Precarious]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

That it's you and Xel?

That Mellon isn't the SK. Which makes it Zenith. Or maybe even you. I don't fucking know anymore.

[Charu]

Originally Posted by Precarious

Ugh, I'm considering suggesting a huge gamble that's probably not worth it, and part of it depends on something I don't want to discuss mechanically, because discussing it could help either anti-town faction.

So let me ask: is everyone here pretty convinced that Xel is the wolf? Because I'm going to suggest something crazy if there's any doubt.

Just shoot, Mr. SK

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by Charu

Alright alright, so before we get too far with this, I want to discuss AFTER this phase.

Possible final 3?


No one votes before lynch is agreed on, hairtrigger votes help no one

[Charu]

lol, okay, Mr. SK

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by Charu

If we myslynch, I just want to let the wolves know... you're fucked 100% of the time if you don't know something.

Hee hee hee

TURBO IV FLASHBACKS

There is no way, no way in Hell.

[_Zenith_]

I'm very confident at this point Xel is final wolf and flips red when lynched.

Which would mean that no matter what as long as Charu isn't lynched that town wins? I think?

SK only wins being the last alive and Charu is unkillable right?

PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong here

[mellonxcollie]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

Anyway Raeko who are your top scum, who do YOU think we should vote? 25 minutes from EoD let's hear 'em

my top picks would be Zenith, because when I ISO'd him I got a lot of white noise from his posts, and didn't get a strong feeling either way about his alignment. And maybe Xel just because of his erratic and weird style of posting

I'd probably go with Zenith, but honestly I'm not confident about either of them @Precarious, I am not convinced

[Charu]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

TURBO IV FLASHBACKS

There is no way, no way in Hell.

lol you're dumb if you're thinking what I think you're thinking

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by mellonxcollie

my top picks would be Zenith, because when I ISO'd him I got a lot of white noise from his posts, and didn't get a strong feeling either way about his alignment. And maybe Xel just because of his erratic and weird style of posting

I'd probably go with Zenith, but honestly I'm not confident about either of them @Precarious, I am not convinced

Uuuuurggg

IDK if I feel this response

[Charu]

Just asked the host. SK wins if I'm in a 1v1 situation with him.