TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread - Page 79

**psychoangel691** · 10-12-2016, 04:07 PM

DFR - wolf lean. Gave pressure on someone D0 for inactivity but didn't really seem to get too invoved in other things going on. Does unvote but never returns for EOD to select someone else to vote.

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Originally Posted by danceflashrevo

if you think this is my wolf game you're in for a fuckin treat when i actually roll wolf holy shit

Stuff like this just seems silly. Like yeah totally couldn't change your game around considering most people will look to other games to see how they acted as other roles. This post bothers me.

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Originally Posted by danceflashrevo

Also I don't wanna push haku because I still think he's town. I just don't wanna get mislynched for a stupid ass reason.

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Originally Posted by danceflashrevo

of course i'm going to believe his claim but it's just weird and this game is weird and life is weird and-

Very non committal to things because he's very afraid of being lynched. Town really shouldn't be afraid to be pushing for reactions to help get more information out there. He's not going to be very helpful to town if he's going to mouse this whole game.

Puts a vote on mellon trying to get more content from her. Is also on mellon a lot for "not really saying anything" but I kind of feel same can be said about him. A lot of the content is lackluster and as I mentioned before, non committal.

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Originally Posted by danceflashrevo

if my push feels forced, i never make pushes really, plus i had to find things to go off on when mainly i intended to pressure vote.

Now unless I missed something I didn't see anyone say anything for this response. So preemptively defending himself before anyone's even questioned it just seems a little fishy to me as well. Just adding on to the fear of being lynched and I personally don't feel like town should be that afraid.

**danceflashrevo** · 10-12-2016, 04:07 PM

wow i misread

fuck me

**psychoangel691** · 10-12-2016, 04:09 PM

Though I guess I should add that's going off the assumption that our claims are legit, but I have to get to those people still.

**XelNya** · 10-12-2016, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by psychoangel691

Mellon - So far I feel town read here. Been pretty actively participating, answering other's questions/concerns towards her. I liked that even though she agreed with people's points about Charu she noted that it doesn't make it concrete.

Issue: She has done pretty much nothing.

**danceflashrevo** · 10-12-2016, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by psychoangel691

Now unless I missed something I didn't see anyone say anything for this response. So preemptively defending himself before anyone's even questioned it just seems a little fishy to me as well. Just adding on to the fear of being lynched and I personally don't feel like town should be that afraid.

there was something i promise, i can't find it aorn. i'll try to actually be less low content tonight after calc. im trash rn

**Charu** · 10-12-2016, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by XelNya

Issue: She has done pretty much nothing.

More than you by a long shot.

**Charu** · 10-12-2016, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by danceflashrevo

there was something i promise, i can't find it aorn. i'll try to actually be less low content tonight after calc. im trash rn

PS, dfr, my town read of you has gone down quite a bit since the beginning of this phase.

Had you kept what I asked you to keep doing, I would've been okay with you.

**Charu** · 10-12-2016, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Charu

Hakulyte - Town Lean x4
R.E. Aryxi/_Zenith_ - Town Lean x3
Shadowolfe - UN-CC'd
danceflashrevo - Town Lean
DaBackpack/Psycho - Wolf Lean
Precarious - STRONG Town Lean (?)
roundbox - Town Lean x3
botchi246/MML - Confused Town (?)
XelNya - Wolf Lean x1.5
juckter1 - Null (?)
mellonxcollie - WEAK Town Read (?)

lol, of course the one person I forgot to (?) him.

Assume there's a (?) by dfr too.

**danceflashrevo** · 10-12-2016, 04:18 PM

yeah ik, my energy is draining from school so my willingness to do hardcore stuff in this is really dropping. everyones town read of me is going downhill. and unless i actually somehow stop it, we're gonna lose this game. and it's gonna be my fault. and it's gonna suck.

**mellonxcollie** · 10-12-2016, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by psychoangel691

Now unless I missed something I didn't see anyone say anything for this response. So preemptively defending himself before anyone's even questioned it just seems a little fishy to me as well. Just adding on to the fear of being lynched and I personally don't feel like town should be that afraid.

I think this was in response to me saying that DFR's push against me felt forced. In that response he's saying that he really just wanted to pressure vote me but felt like he needed to make a bigger post with reasoning against me after being prompted by Charu. at least this is my understanding.

site is loading like trash right now or I'd pull it up.

Also I'm working on my own post but going very slow due to site and doing other things at the same time. sorry

**danceflashrevo** · 10-12-2016, 04:19 PM

see you tonight hopefully fml

**danceflashrevo** · 10-12-2016, 04:20 PM

that's it mellon

**XelNya** · 10-12-2016, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Charu

More than you by a long shot.

In what AU?

**Charu** · 10-12-2016, 04:30 PM

There is no AU, I'm talking about this universe where all you've made all game is quips and jabs with the occasional "Eeeeeeh, maybe" posts.

**Hakulyte** · 10-12-2016, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Charu

Actually, just one more request.

If you're reading him differently this game (which you obviously are otherwise you wouldn't have mentioned that accurate part), what has he done differently this game and why are you saying he's less "accurate"?

It's more an impression than anything due to low activity. After iso-ing I feel like I underevaluated his posts.

These "I'll post later posts" made me consider if he really cared or not about the game.

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Originally Posted by juckter1

Ugh why do you guys have to make like 7 pages when I'm asleep

I'll catchup later when I'm more awake

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Originally Posted by juckter1

Off to eat I'll post stuff in like half an hour

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Originally Posted by juckter1

Time to probably be more active. Just FYI I probably won't be posting stuff before like 4PM server in this game in general because I hate phone posting and I'd rather not do it unless it's absolutely necessary

His bigger posts overall seems to have a very similar tone to the previous game.

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Originally Posted by juckter1

Kay, I've read stuff now.

Shado I forgot about previously, but now I've read him, he seems okay. I don't think his jump on Freeze was as artificial as other people are saying, the thing that I found the most odd is that he seemed to abandon it really quickly. His other stuff is fairly agressive and he's actively engaging people, which may or may not be his style regardless of alignment but I like it. Don't see him leaning towards any alignment right now

mellon is probably town based on tone alone

I'm not familiar enough with memes to read XelNya right now

I'm not good enough at the game to form reads on people I didn't mention on this or my previous post

That's surprisingly solid and accurate overall actually.

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Originally Posted by juckter1

Charu isn't likely to change until much further into the game, Gradiant still with the agressive posting which I townread him for, and Haku hasn't said anything that changed my read in either direction.

Freez is weird, his reason for voting Gradiant is like, objectively bad, but I can't see why a wolf would play like he has so far. I can't read him well right now

Still quite accurate even for now.

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Originally Posted by juckter1

Uh, are you suggesting dbp is feigning activity? If I'm misinterpreting your post then that's fine, but I doubt he's trying to pretend to be active. Out of the iso you provided around half of the posts are shitposts and the remaining posts, even if they're short, are actually pushing on something and are actual content.

This just feels like you're trying to justify omgus for some reason

Interesting post and still actual and possibly even worth discussing.

Here's Precarious' follow up:

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Originally Posted by Precarious

The first 11 of 20 are shitposts or otherwise non-content posts. Of the remaining 9, one lists two town reads with no concept support, one accuses me with the briefest of logic, three dance around the case against me while saying nothing new, one is another shit post, two are zero content EBWOPs, and one is the response to my response.

Describing the second half as actual content is incredibly generous.

Looking good too.

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Originally Posted by juckter1

Ok, so basically the game so far has been mostly about Gradiant vs Freez, Shado vs inDheart and Precarious vs DBP.

Gradiant vs Freez is a nice interaction that has made Gradiant look really town in my eyes. Freez is way more difficult to read in comparison. While I like that he has been posting really naturally, his tone and his content have varied wildly throughout the entire interaction which makes him really difficult to read in my eyes.

Shado vs inDheart reads like a TvT. I was initially giving town points to Shado for pressing on inDheart who was almost universally town read, as it seems like a risky move for a wolf to take, but Shado is probably ballsy enough to do it as either alignment. Regardless, there was some sound logic on both parts and I feel okay giving both of them townleans.

Precarious vs DBP was utter shit compared to those two previous interactions and I really want to talk more about it.

To summarize what happened, DBP came and gave Precarious a vote because he wanted him to post reads instead of mechanics (#282, #284, #286, #288), and Shadow also places a vote on Precarious, increasing pressure. Later, Precarious says he is working on reads and that he wants to see DBP's, while saying that posting mechanics is his playstyle and implying it's not a good reason to vote him (#365). Then, DBP responds to Precarious' previous post, and again tells him to produce reads (#381). Afterwards, Precarious gives a read post (#388), and then accuses DBP of feigning activity and being empty, and places a vote on him (#398). DBP and Precarious proceed to spar for a little while, until in post 433 DBP says he'll respond to Precarious' previous posts later, which he doesn't after coming back. Precarious comes back earlier today and casually unvotes DBP without giving any reasoning or followup (#601).

I have some stuff that I want to say, but before that I would like to know why Precarious and DBP decided to abandon their fight.

@Precarious: Why did you unvote DBP?
@DBP: Why did you not respond to Precarious' post like you said you would?

Also:

Heh, it was Shado who was talking about Charu being a slip, but his logic can apply to this post too. Why am I in your thoughts dear?

Anyways, I'll start writing up my thoughts regarding the interaction, because they'll probably have some value regardless of what DBP and Precarious say, and because I'm very slow at typing stuff in this game. I apologize for being absent for so long, I was legitimately physically feeling like shit through most of yesterday and today.

Incredibly relevant to what is being discussed right now.

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Originally Posted by juckter1

I guess this merits a phonepost...

First and foremost I must apologize, I've felt really shitty for the last couple of days and that has really hindered my ability to mantain a reasonable activity level. I'm feeling a little better now, but I'll probably have to replace out.

^ Gave a reason as to why he could possibly replace out.

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Originally Posted by juckter1

Secondly, regarding Pre/DBP, I think I was actually wrong when reading the beginning of their interaction. I felt like Precarious' vote was omgus-y and I felt like he was trying to justify that vote based on his subjective appreciation of gut reads and mechanics, but after rereading that a fuckton of times, reading DBP and Precarious' ISOs a couple of time, and reading the interaction between Precarious and mellon (which was ACTUALLY a gut vs mechanics sort of deal, and read way different than Pre/DBP), I think I was reading Precarious' intentions wrong. That been said I still do not like that interaction suddenly stopping, and Precarious ignoring my question, as well as DBP giving an answer that might as well be ignoring my question, still makes me feel suspicious.

Now, regarding Shado's claim, I do agree with Charu that a potential Vengeful should not CC, however I disagree that Shado not claiming yesterday was weird, because if I read the timestamps correctly, the wagon on Shado happened literally one minute before EoD. Also, would it be worth it for a Vig to counterclaim if Shado is lying? I think it is, but I don't really have an analysis that can back that up. That being said, though I won't buy Shado's claim 100% today, even if he isn't counterclaimed, I don't think he should be lynched today.

That's the pressing stuff I guess, I'll do a thorough reads list later when I'm on a computer

I actually have zero interest into lynching him anymore.

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Originally Posted by juckter1

Upon skimming ISOs I didn't find stuff that particularly stood out to me. I'll just do a reads list for now

1. Hakuright (Hakulyte) - At the very start of the game I disliked him because his tone felt different from last turbo where he was town. As the game has gone on his posting is considerably better, but I'm still watching out in case his tone change is something other than "Haku doing a Haku". His interaction with XelNya also feels weird, mostly because it looks one-sided for the most part. That being said, he's been actively trying to interact with everyone, which is a good thing, though his effort has been kind of spread out. Null, but likely to change.

2. _Zenith_ - Null, because we haven't really seen too much in the way of reads and pushes from him so far.

3. SurelyWolfe (Shadowolfe) - Huh. He's definitely off the table today based on his claim alone, but even without it, I didn't get that much of a wolfy vibe from him as everyone else seemed to get. I did get the SAVAGE vibes though.

4. danceflashgun (danceflashrevo) - Strong town lean. I don't know if that's just DFR's general posting style, since it felt similar last game too, but his posts are giving me a nice genuine town vibe. Looking forward to seeing what will happen with his push on mellon.

5. Charuzard (Charu) - Bird lean.

6. DaKnapsack (DaBackpack) - Null/Wolf, but that's likely to change if/when Precarious stops ignoring me. I want to see more from him today, I felt like he was doing more stuff earlier in the game rather than later.

7. PriCARius (Precarious) - Null/Town, but that's likely to change if/when he stops ignoring me. His style of posting a lot of mechanical stuff makes him difficult to read for me. I do think his non-mechanical posts have been valuable but DUDE PLEASE NOTICE ME

8. boundrocks (roundbox) - Town Lean, he provided solid content during EoD. Nothing much to say other than that.

9. ho246 (botchi246) - Null/Town, he hasn't posted very regularly (which fair enough, I haven't either), but he has posted generally good town helping content when he does. Hoping to see more stuff from him today.

10. Sell?Nah (XelNya) - Town Lean. He shitposts a lot which I assume is just his style, but it makes him difficult to read. That being said, he has good content and pushes scattered throughout. I like him.

11. melanxcholy (mellonxcollie) - Null. Nothing really stood out in either direction, hoping to see some more from her.

This took WAAAAY longer than I expected

He even has a read list which I have no clue if it's still up to date.

Why are people voting him?

**Charu** · 10-12-2016, 04:31 PM

mellon has at least shown willingness to share, show what she's thinking, and has promptly defended herself.

...Of course it's not a big town read for her by any stretch, but compare to you, you look like my late night tired sessions on Rocket League.

**Charu** · 10-12-2016, 04:32 PM

Holy shit Haku

**psychoangel691** · 10-12-2016, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by mellonxcollie

I think this was in response to me saying that DFR's push against me felt forced. In that response he's saying that he really just wanted to pressure vote me but felt like he needed to make a bigger post with reasoning against me after being prompted by Charu. at least this is my understanding.

site is loading like trash right now or I'd pull it up.

Also I'm working on my own post but going very slow due to site and doing other things at the same time. sorry

Ah alright, I overlooked it or didn't go far enough back I guess. Still feels too worried to me, but DFR is not likely the person I'd gun for a lynch today.

**_Zenith_** · 10-12-2016, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Charu

Holy shit Haku

+1

**Precarious** · 10-12-2016, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by danceflashrevo

About damn time more than one person voted for me.

This leaves 3 wolves and an SK between:
haku - Still think town
zenith - Has had great insight to things, def town.
psychoangel - Null still.
precarious - I thought I would've seen more interaction between him and charu since charu is scum reading him. Maybe I missed it? Maybe precarious is trying to ignore it? You decide on FFR TWG CLIX!! <credits roll>
roundbox - I thought his push on me was kinda weak.
mml - I liked the botchi spot, MML hasn't shown as town as botchi due to hastiness and fallacies but I'd still town read.
xelnya - Still thought he's been town. I've liked his activity and tone.
juckter - I thought he was town, activity died down due to IRL stuff. Null aorn but he should be posting again soon tm.
mellon - Hasn't really contributed as much as I would've wanted yet. I thought I saw a deflection in one of her posts but I'm 99% sure I was wrong.

My not towns assuming juckter keeps my town after he starts posting: psychoangel, precarious, roundbox, mellon.

Aye that's 75% wuff fmpov.

Sorry this is low effort, I admit, but I have to work on calc hw.

This OMGUS attempt on me might have been slightly more convincing if Charu hadn't town read me on about 30 different occasions. This reads like someone desperate to get the heat off of them, and who hasn't been bothering to follow what's actually been going on. (The needless sarcasm only reinforces that--people often take that tone to diminish the credibility of whoever they're arguing with). Your wolf list also includes the only other person to push you, which sort of reinforces the notion that you're uncomfortable with pressure.

I feel pretty good about my vote at this point.

10-12-2016, 04:07 PM	#1562
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10-12-2016, 04:09 PM	#1563
psychoangel691 Retired Staff All the things Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bel Air MD Posts: 10,438	Re: TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread Though I guess I should add that's going off the assumption that our claims are legit, but I have to get to those people still.

10-12-2016, 04:18 PM	#1569
danceflashrevo scumfan is scared of aa Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 488	Re: TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread yeah ik, my energy is draining from school so my willingness to do hardcore stuff in this is really dropping. everyones town read of me is going downhill. and unless i actually somehow stop it, we're gonna lose this game. and it's gonna be my fault. and it's gonna suck. __________________ Why are you here?

10-12-2016, 04:19 PM	#1571
danceflashrevo scumfan is scared of aa Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 488	Re: TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread see you tonight hopefully fml __________________ Why are you here?

10-12-2016, 04:20 PM	#1572
danceflashrevo scumfan is scared of aa Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 488	Re: TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread that's it mellon __________________ Why are you here?

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