TWG Turbo II Game Thread

[AragakiAyase]

ok let me address you xiz before I finish ymia

[yo man im awesome]

Originally Posted by Xiz

Also actually abuout ymia, how have I been under the radar?

If you say it's because of me being afk from work i swear

No no no nothing like that.

I dont mean under the radar as is not existing a la FG, but more so that up until, like, today i feel like youve participated in discussion, and while people did look at you, i feel like they didnt really delve beyond first glances each time, if that makes sense.

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by Xiz

Holy shit do you just skim my posts? Like if you are then I'll look the other way but holy shit it's like you haven't been reading my posts at all.

I'm going to say this for the 5th time now. Ethan, are you listening?

It's because of how confident charu thought zenith was town


Like please be honest with me ethan if you have been skimming my posts because you can't be this stupid

you realize that if something mechanically needs to be happen it kind of makes his read not very relevant?

[Funnygurl555]

hm, heads up i have class from 8-11 pm est (7-10 server time) and will be p mia from 6 server time on

[Xiz]

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

No no no nothing like that.

I dont mean under the radar as is not existing a la FG, but more so that up until, like, today i feel like youve participated in discussion, and while people did look at you, i feel like they didnt really delve beyond first glances each time, if that makes sense.

I'm interpreting this as like, I was not a strong wagon so I haven't been grilled enough?

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by Xiz

you are literally leaving out the main point of my argument, and twisting it to your advantage. Stop.

I was quoting from memory and didn't remember you hinging your attack on charu based on his confidence that zenith was town, but my point still stands. mechanically zenith needed to die because he fakeclaimed causing red blaster to out, it ended up being a charu situation like last turbo.

Originally Posted by Xiz

It's why im jumping on you right now

yeah you're totally jumping on me right now

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555

hm, heads up i have class from 8-11 pm est (7-10 server time) and will be p mia from 6 server time on

if you're town please be around for EOD or we're done

[Xiz]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

you realize that if something mechanically needs to be happen it kind of makes his read not very relevant?

This is where I believe you are wrong.
I find it absolutely relevant.
I believe that if charu was that confident on zenith being a wolf, he would reconsider more.

[Xiz]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

I was quoting from memory and didn't remember you hinging your attack on charu based on his confidence that zenith was town, but my point still stands. mechanically zenith needed to die because he fakeclaimed causing red blaster to out, it ended up being a charu situation like last turbo.

Jesus christ it's like im having another argument with charu here.

We are arguing about two different things.

[yo man im awesome]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

you realize that if something mechanically needs to be happen it kind of makes his read not very relevant?

His read is extremely relevant because hes used it as leverage and with absolute certainty the entire fucking game, including before zenith flipped. Every else arguably was also so certain of him being red, but the difference is that charu was the only one confident in him being town, him being correct, and his shit-eating "i told you so" attitude about it.

[Charu]

Sounds like you're upset, YMIA

[AragakiAyase]

not spoilering this because I want to make sure everyone sees it for sure, even if they end up skimming it

and charu you better not fucking skim this

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

Zenith/funnygirl

Ive solved the mystery guys trust my history of 100% accurate wolf reads

first non-shitpost of the game, we know it's not a shitpost because of this post below, and he's paired someone we know was town, and one who I'm pretty sure is town as well.

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

To be fair I was serious about my pairing

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

Artonach claimed red seering on Zenith, and then you can see Zenith calling out funnygirl as being wolfing, D0 distancing during shitposting, soft and subtle, but tough enough to be present and worth mentioning.

I said this in the other post but I thought this was way too much of a stretch, doesn't hold water to me and seems like a weak push on a pair that I believe is both town

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

Artonach has no reason to claim Zenith as red if he isn't cop currently. Reaction testing is not a good answer in a turbo game imo

dumbtell, who gives a fuck it's probably fake

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

I was shitposting too, don't get me wrong I love my fair share of shitposting, but D0 I'm also looking to see if anybody's gives off the vibe that their shitposting feels forced for whatever reason, idk how to describe it

this post will definitely have some recycled stuff from last post, but I said I think this is really easy to fake because all you have to do is point out random posts as seeming forced and you can throw out bs reasons for it. easy way to feign hunting but it's also very easy to keep it unproductive

no town points here.

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

Claiming yourself as a wolf D0 is a pretty good shitpost not gonna lie

Don't disregard it though just because "everybody did it"

If anything that makes it worse

are you actually going to try to read into wolf-claim shitposts though?

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

Yours looks/feels much more obviously joking, whereas Zenith's felt a little more serious

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

Yours used Caps lock and extra exclamation points, to me being telling factors of sarcasm and joking, whereas his had zero punctuation, which can of course mean many things, but to me leads more towards an air of not-so-joking as opposed to genuine sarcasm. Like he knew exactly what he was doing.

these two posts as a reason to put zenith in a bad light over CK (who were both town) just seems like he's trying way too hard to find something to pin on someone (zenith) that isn't there. punctuation? really?

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

My green check, ironically, was AA

still betting that there's a wolf in charu/arnt/ymia who checked me, arnt flipped town, charu is way more likely to be town than ymia for me and I still think that this is right

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

Im on my phone and didn't instantly find post can someone quote it please

Also xiz pls enter thread and dissuade people from voting you, i dont think your inactivity is wolfy but i cant help you if you dont participate

I believe I pointed this out in my other post, but if I didn't, this feels weird because ymia should have no reason to want to randomly defend someone at this point in the game, he doesn't have a townread on xiz, xiz hasnt' done anything worthwhile, unless they're partners. and look! they probably are

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

To be completely honest i dont buy the cop claim, but i cant really challenge it either and thats why im angry

basically rescinds his "green check" on me here by saying he can't challenge it, you totally could have challenged it and tried to make it more confusing to protect the cop, instead you just backed off

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

If you want to lynch me go find some damning evidence will you? I'm not going to acknowledge you beating around the bush.

as we'll see throughout this game he uses charu's joke posts as an excuse to accuse charu of scumreading him for no valid reason, here's where it starts

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

Right, so anyway




I am also inclined to believe RB bc it would be pretty fucking dumb of him to do otherwise, also like i said i dont think theyre both wolves, and I dont buy zenith's claim to begin with.

this post is pretty cool, he believes RB over zenith and says he doesn't think they're both wolves, but he doesn't make clear his stance on zenith. not buying his claim doesn't necessarily mean you think he's scum yet you eventually progressed to wanting to lynch him. basically lets himself say he doesn't like zenith's claim but stays neutral about his alignment so he can flop either way

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

I'm pretty triggered ngl, I don't want another tsundereplane incident like last game, I just want you to put legitimate information forward instead of testing my patience

more reaction to charu joke posts

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

Charu you seem awfully angry, direct and sarcastic. Like, I don't want to lynch you but tf

pretty sure he played exactly like this in the last turbo and he was town, if you're actually town then this is lame.

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

My lynching plate sits at Zenith FG and Artonach

Least so FG because we really don't have enough to work with for her, my initial suspicion of her was based off of association and hardly anything she did herself.

Artonach has done nothing, entered the thread, and done nothing, but I very much believe he knows that he's producing little quality content.

Zenith should be clear at this point, I buy his cop claim the least, he has since rescinded his claim, and has now dropped off of the earth leaving us with essentially "I don't really care guys" which to me screams wolf or town who is not going to be any help later.

so here he presents his lynch candidates for d0, we'll see how this progresses. interesting to note that his read on zenith is either wolf or town who isn't going to help, something that you seem to be ok with lynching either way. another thing to note is that zenith did continue posting so both your reads were wrong

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

Correct. Personally I believe it would be silly to involve Zenith further in the cop discussion (which shouldn't be existent already but whatever), and instead involve him in the wolfhunt discussion. I think lynching Zenith provides a good base for us, because if he flips red, great! If not, to be honest I think he's going to pay far less attention to the game now and would play much more low-key. Watch his tone change just through this phase. From there, we can continue hunting through the associations made through today and from the flip+nightkill

copy pasting

I said in my wall post that I didn't like this post because it basically says regarding zenith "if we lynch a wolf in him cool, if not well he's not going to be helpful anyway", he also made that post about wanting information from zenith's flip. I said I'd lynch him for this if zenith flipped town and I intend to do so

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

I'm also finding him scummy, but I don't think he's a good D0, I don't think we'll really get enough from killing him, and, assuming he's red, he's not really inputting anything that's particularly challenging us or skewing our thoughts, so keeping him alive while searching for his potential partner would be fine.

suddenly arnt has moved down on the lynch list, I don't think arnt posted anything of substance here (aside from a short post saying that he was feeling xiz/zenith) that should have made stuff happen, he's still going the information route with zenith and "oh if he's town he'll probably be inactive anyway"

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

I initially paired him with FG for early distancing, but I hadn't really judged FG herself at all, and at the moment I've moved on from her.

Right now I'm thinking Zenith/Artonach

I don't think they have interacted with each other at all in the thread. And seeing Zenith fucking up like this might have Artonach scared to also put himself out into the thread I think.

this is a really odd pairing, sure they hadn't really interacted much, but at this point arnt hadn't interacted with anyone much so that's pretty weak. and look, they were both town

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

Interesting note that Cold Kitten and I have mindmelded really well for basically the entire game

I love it, but making a note for future reference for everyone

said this was bullshit and saying it again

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

For the record, I believe that as scummy as Arnt is I don't think he's a good D0 lynch

Only time I really like low-content D0 lynches is if the player is especially toxic or if we have literally nothing to go off of, however this time lynching Zenith would provide us with sooo much more information, on top of the fact that he's mad scummy.

We don't need to lynch Zenith until EOD of course, but be mindful of votecounts and survival votes from the two of them.

the information argument, he says that's not what he meant but he pushes this as a reason for lynching him to justify himself even if he flips town

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

rip the perfect mindmeld

in response to CK saying she'd go after ymia first if zenith flips VT

which I think we should absolutely do

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

Also Xiz i have an indescribable town gut read on and have since the beginning but i wont to people pressuring him more because all i have is a gut read lol

this would fit really well with the ymia/xiz pairing that I'm seeing here

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

I kind of only want to stay up for OT round 2 files, are we gonna follow through with Charu's plan? I'm pretty okay with it honestly.

considering how much he's been pushing a zenith lynch at this point and how charu's plan is to let zenith live, this does not line up at all. you're not even townreading charu, no reason for you to want to sheep him over what was supposedly your strongest lynch candidate by far.

and guess what? his vote still ended up on zenith.


that's day 1...

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

That was pretty much the exact quote I was going to use upon returning, very specifically "hello friends I have returned"



What I've gathered is that today people are still after Zenith, are gonna pressure funny/xiz, and then CK is doing something, along with being Lock Clear.

this post does absolutely nothing, just a summary. I expected an opinion about one of these things, like maybe even a continuation of your scumread on zenith?

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

I really don't like this

also reminder that insta is now at 4 votes

what's not to like about this? he pretty much admits he fucked up and that he'll probably be lynched for it but he's still going to help out

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

I made that post in a small downtime I had between getting home from work and setting up for tomorrow's July 4th party, so the lack of follow-up I apologize for not specifically bringing up reasoning for.

That said, yes, I am still fully confident that Zenith is a wolf. Consider me disappointed that Arnt was town. I agree with FG being more towny. I am genuinely null on Xiz because of dumb vibe bullshit and I really don't know what to do with him yet. I will try to formulate a read on him by EOD tonight.

Call it OMGUS, but Charu's basically called me a wolf, essentially laughed in my face with intense hubris that he's correct, and his argument is that I voted Zenith off of initial gut reads followed up by the fuck-all cop situation. That's scummy to me, tied with the tone he's taken this entire game essentially doing what I did antagonizing players last turbo.

how did your read on xiz change from "indescribably strong town gut read" to "null because of dumb vibe bullshit"? let me assume something and correct me if you I'm wrong. You had a gut read on xiz as town, but he made some scummy plays in between that post and this one that make him null for you at this point? yet another example of ymia moving around people with no explanation.

regarding charu, he's playing exactly like he did last turbo and you're taking advantage of his posting style to scumread him

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

In light of the fact that "It's very easy for charu to just let zenith dig his own grave", the inherent problem with that is that "it's very easy". Both CK and I, at least, believe you're underestimating Charu as a player in that you think he will by default go for the "very easy" route. You're basing this off of your own meta reads but we are also basing off of meta reads.

Wolves doing intentionally dumb things makes dumb things slightly less dumb

As dumb as that sounds, ha

he joins CK here on the "you're underestimating charu" wagon, I said again I don't like how that line of thinking is being pushed because it seems like an easy way to place a scumread on a player who I believe is very towny and is almost surely town this game

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

I'm pretty sure I made it very clear that I wanted Zenith dead first. And not everyone else who had brought up the "plan" instantly changed votes either, why is mine a problem when I was one of the first people advocating to lynch Zenith?

pointed this out earlier in my post but charu brings up that if ymia was okay with his plan regarding zenith, why did his vote stay on zenith? just because other people didn't instantly change votes either doesn't make it ok

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

It's kind of ironic to be honest. The very thing I'm attacking Charu for is something I myself am basically doing. His attack feels baseless and he has little evidence beyond his gut-read. I also don't have any specific post in particular that damns him as a wolf, but with the knowledge of my own role as town along with the fact that I believe his sarcasm in general feels considerably more direct, and almost condescending as opposed to previous games, it just feels very odd.

He's since claimed, again jokingly, that I can take essentially as retribution, but even if that were to be true, to me that me feel like he's even scummier, because it feels like a roleswap, where he "get's retribution" on me now that he's a wolf and gets to "embarrass" me now that I'm a town.

I just believe his picked his words very interestingly.

ok, so you're attacking charu for what I think is just his posting style, and trying to meta him based on the other turbo? and then you end it by saying "I just believe he picked his words very interestingly". that doesn't line up with the read that you seem to have on him, which seems to be fairly substantial.

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

If it's a list you're looking for

Town->Scum

CK
AA
Xiz
FG
Charu
Zenith

AA I flat out just don't see you being a wolf this game, and if I'm wrong you get serious props from me. I did a similar, but much smaller scale (mostly skimming let's be real) of your play last turbo, and the one thing that stuck out to me, specifically in our interactions, was that you liked to mindmeld with me that game. You didn't really "townread" me, but every so often I'd say something and you'd go along with it. Only persons I see you doing this at all with are CK, who is lock-clear, and Charu, which is the only possible teammate I'd give you if you were wolf. Being that it's clear Zenith is a wolf, that's out of the question to me.

I'm decided I'm sticking with my early game gut reads that Xiz is town. His own reads, his questions, everything he's written feels genuine. The minor mindmelds I have/had with him don't feel odd or "too perfect". Also his defense D0 felt legitimate as well, talking about inactivity or whatever.

FG isn't scummy to me, she's very definitely just skirting by doing/adding not too much, but it doesn't feel intentional, it seems more like she's just in general lost and doesn't really know how to focus/write her thoughts here. She's town to me, it's just that everyone else I can say it more confidently.

here, note how he says there's no way he sees me as a wolf this game. note also that he's now moved xiz back to gut read town from null, feels like he's giving who I believe his partner to be a pass and not digging further because it could bring up ugly stuff.

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

Its Me, Charu, AA, Xiz, and FG left, lylo.

All possible combinations from my pov.

Charu-AA
Charu-Xiz
Charu-FG
AA-Xiz
AA-FG
Xiz-FG

Only person I feel strongly scummy about is Charu who is awfully fucking confident in himself considering we're at lylo. So personally I see one of the first three combinations being the most realistic.

A team of FG and Xiz together is unlikely to me, they've both essentially skated under the radar, especially FG. Xiz has talked significantly more, but he still feels generally under the radar. I don't see the two of them actually teaming together.

Charu-AA is a very interesting team now, because the two of them are now the ones likely going to be leading conversation, and if it's two wolves that is very dangerous.

Charu-Xiz/FG is also possible, with Charu being as active as possible with Xiz/FG hanging back a little bit. I could believe Charu-FG more, I also don't think they've interacted much in thread.

I'm a little jumbled because I'm hosting my 4th of July party, but I stand at Charu/AA, and I hate that it's a realistic possibility. I'm also pretty sure Charu/AA are both people who've jumped on me for pretty much no reason. Charu at the beginning, and AA more recently.

Also also in my last post I said I don't really believe Charu/AA team but that was going off of yesterday, and I've changed my mind.

and now he suddenly moves me up to the top of his scumpile, a total reversal after the zenith flip, as I pointed out there was no explanation for that.


alright


a tldr because I'm feeling nice

ymia makes pushes on zenith/arnt, has inconsistencies with arnt, then ends up pushign for zenith's lynch. then he says he's ok with charu's plan to let zenith live, but still votes zenith.

yesterday the push continued and he eventually gave reads, saying that I was pretty much top town aside from CK. now zenith has flipped town and there's a 100% reversal.

There have been multiple neutral posts/observations where he avoids taking a stance and just comments, and he's been interacting with xiz very oddly, first giving him a town gut read then moving him to null without any explanation, and then back to town. reminds me of last turbo where he had me at null "because of vibes", then moved me to green.


ymia dies

[Charu]

Reading Zenith town before the flip shouldn't change anything. If you're saying I should've, once again, advocated him staying alive for a THIRD DAY. Then this day phase would've been doomed from the beginning.

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by Xiz

This is where I believe you are wrong.
I find it absolutely relevant.
I believe that if charu was that confident on zenith being a wolf, he would reconsider more.

on being a wolf? I assume that's a typo

[Charu]

Holy fucking shit AA

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

His read is extremely relevant because hes used it as leverage and with absolute certainty the entire fucking game, including before zenith flipped. Every else arguably was also so certain of him being red, but the difference is that charu was the only one confident in him being town, him being correct, and his shit-eating "i told you so" attitude about it.

you know it's very easy to go along with the crowd as a wolf

it's much more interesting to stick your neck out with an unconventional read because it can end up with wolves pushing on you for it

[AragakiAyase]

wolves or town

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by Charu

Holy fucking shit AA

skim that and I swear I will afk

[AragakiAyase]

going to go through xiz's posts now

[yo man im awesome]

Originally Posted by Xiz

I'm interpreting this as like, I was not a strong wagon so I haven't been grilled enough?

Not quite. It felt like a converstion about/involving you would always be brought up, and then the conversation never lasted a reasonable enough length to consider it explored.that said i have AA more scummy than you its not i find you scummy for flying "under the radar", just moreso pointing it out.