TWG Turbo II Game Thread

[yo man im awesome]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

this makes me think you're a wolf

you make an observation that's very neutral and don't actually say anything about what has happened

like do you think zenith is a wolf? where are you at now that arnt flipped town?

also I think fg is more town than not, I'm reminded of her EOD behavior that one game where storn got meme lynched and she was wavering

I made that post in a small downtime I had between getting home from work and setting up for tomorrow's July 4th party, so the lack of follow-up I apologize for not specifically bringing up reasoning for.

That said, yes, I am still fully confident that Zenith is a wolf. Consider me disappointed that Arnt was town. I agree with FG being more towny. I am genuinely null on Xiz because of dumb vibe bullshit and I really don't know what to do with him yet. I will try to formulate a read on him by EOD tonight.

Call it OMGUS, but Charu's basically called me a wolf, essentially laughed in my face with intense hubris that he's correct, and his argument is that I voted Zenith off of initial gut reads followed up by the fuck-all cop situation. That's scummy to me, tied with the tone he's taken this entire game essentially doing what I did antagonizing players last turbo.

Originally Posted by Charu

Actually, now that I'm thinking about it.

Hey, YMIA, when you read this. How did murdering the cop again feel like?

I lost the quote but CK asked who I would call scummy if not Zenith, and I would say Charu.

Originally Posted by Charu

If we're making a case on YMIA here, I'll gladly start.

YMIA threw a vote for ZENITH before I mentioned my thing. However, later on, he said he wanted to see my plan go through.

But oops, guess what?

His vote was still on ZENITH.

I did not say that I wanted to see your plan go through. I asked if we were doing it, and that if we were I'd be okay with it, because as I also mentioned, I wanted to go to sleep earlier (And I did). I left my vote on Zenith because I wanted Zenith specifically dead, and I still do. My only vote was on Zenith, and it never changed.

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

I seriously will enjoy you seeing my flip more than I should.

I'm genuinely triggered by this post

[Xiz]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

because I have confidence in my ability to read him

see how he's exploring all options? if zenith is somehow town and charu is wolfing, it's very easy for charu to just let zenith dig his own grave

if they're both wolves, charu would probably bus him

but instead, charu advocates for zenith and tries to get people to consider alternatives

also those really strong mindmelds we've been having

Oh the ninja.

K, aa and I are not mindmelding like I thought.

[Charu]

Oh goodie, there's some words... but before I fight you.

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

I'm genuinely triggered by this post

...What foolish commentary about a foolish post from a foolish person who foolishly thinks what he's foolishly doing is correct.

Why even bother quoting and responding to this post. He's dead anyways, why should this even trigger you?

[Charu]

Hey guys, I think we all should have Phoenix Wright music going at the moment. It's totally making me in the mood.

[thesunfan]

Zenith (1)- Charu
Charu (1)- Funnygurl

let me know if this is hilariously off point

[yo man im awesome]

Originally Posted by Charu

Oh goodie, there's some words... but before I fight you.



...What foolish commentary about a foolish post from a foolish person who foolishly thinks what he's foolishly doing is correct.

Why even bother quoting and responding to this post. He's dead anyways, why should this even trigger you?

In terms of the game, I can't think of anything he could say that could sway me from voting him this phase, I'm more bothered by him as a person still explicitly posting something like that.

[Charu]

I'm assuming everyone is waiting for what Xiz has to say

[Charu]

Alright, cool, so on to this set of text then.

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

Call it OMGUS, but Charu's basically called me a wolf, essentially laughed in my face with intense hubris that he's correct, and his argument is that I voted Zenith off of initial gut reads followed up by the fuck-all cop situation. That's scummy to me, tied with the tone he's taken this entire game essentially doing what I did antagonizing players last turbo.

Before, that was me prodding you and not entirely being serious. Also, call it getting some revenge from embarrassing me in that last game you whelp.

[yo man im awesome]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

because I have confidence in my ability to read him

see how he's exploring all options? if zenith is somehow town and charu is wolfing, it's very easy for charu to just let zenith dig his own grave

if they're both wolves, charu would probably bus him

but instead, charu advocates for zenith and tries to get people to consider alternatives

also those really strong mindmelds we've been having

In light of the fact that "It's very easy for charu to just let zenith dig his own grave", the inherent problem with that is that "it's very easy". Both CK and I, at least, believe you're underestimating Charu as a player in that you think he will by default go for the "very easy" route. You're basing this off of your own meta reads but we are also basing off of meta reads.

Wolves doing intentionally dumb things makes dumb things slightly less dumb

As dumb as that sounds, ha

[Charu]

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

I did not say that I wanted to see your plan go through. I asked if we were doing it, and that if we were I'd be okay with it, because as I also mentioned, I wanted to go to sleep earlier (And I did). I left my vote on Zenith because I wanted Zenith specifically dead, and I still do. My only vote was on Zenith, and it never changed.

But you were OKAY with it. I think if you actually were, you would've changed your vote at that point.

[AragakiAyase]

first real post is this one

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

I've lost all knowledge of player metas so I have to base actions purely off of what the intention is and not if it is usual for a person to do so

I'm confused mainly on a hypo situation because there's what two-three outcomes of doing so?

I called him out early on for that being fake, makes it worse now that I realize he didn't even bother thinking and trying to figure out the outcomes of hypoing here

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

I'm mainly confused on why a hypo is the best d0 course right now, though I can't say I completely disagree with it

There's things we can learn from doing so but god forbid the cop gets hit during the first night I'm going to be rather upset especially with no other PRs and it'll turn this game into a wolfhunt that consists of pure scumhunting with no outside influences.

this has been brought up already but this is bad, first part especially where he acts confused but remains extremely neutral at the same time

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

I'm just scared haha

I don't want cop death n1 fam

fake

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

True I guess, I've watched hypo situations happen more than I've taken part in them so I'm pretty unfamiliar with the scenario that plays out

I'll trust the veterans to guide me through the scenario though

you've done fakeclaims before, you've even done roleswaps, this is utter bullshit and you "trusting the veterans to guide you" is a way of removing accountability

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

Did you know red peeks cannot even happen yet?

Do you really think even if possible that a blatant distancing attempt would be able to form speculation this early in the game?

Maybe I can see you having the thought of us two together from tinfoil but it seriously cannot be serious until at least d1

typical zenith post here but he basically shoots down ymia because "it's too early". I didn't really like ymia's speculation but there's not really a too early

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

It's just I'm confused about the scenario as a whole due to not having enough experience to know what happens, though having multiple hypochecks on a single player provides two things, one of which I'm confused about:

1) Doesn't this openly invite wolves to throw this hypo check on something that'll receive no flak? This is what I'm confused about.

and

2) This forces wolves to choose between three people (unless a wolf is the one that threw a hypo on said player) in attempts to get the cop, which I find this situation good in town's eyes.

I'm also confused on why everyone has to hypo. I understand the more hypos the better the chance that cop has to survive, and it's possible that the cop didn't even hypo, though I'm just not concrete in the scenario from lack of experience.

this shows that you very clearly understand how this works, and yes, having 3 people check me at the start was great for town

then you hardclaimed cop

fuck you baiting the cop, it was fine where it was

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

Yes it did actually thank you for screaming to go read that game.

Let me ask you because you just flipped your read on me, would seeing my flip give more insight as to what Funny is?

Someone said a post where if you pressure Funny, she'll start reeling in attempts to catch herself or some iteration of that, and honestly that's what I feel like I'm seeing with her posts right now.

If it helps in any way to determine where I am, I'm the real cop with my d0 check being on Red Blaster.

this is so fake, you weren't under any pressure or anything, you just say "oh I'm the real cop, here's my check". absolutely unnecessary


ok I think I've gone over the more recent stuff especially where he gets all mixed up saying how he was confused

definitely can lynch zenith today

[Charu]

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

In light of the fact that "It's very easy for charu to just let zenith dig his own grave", the inherent problem with that is that "it's very easy". Both CK and I, at least, believe you're underestimating Charu as a player in that you think he will by default go for the "very easy" route. You're basing this off of your own meta reads but we are also basing off of meta reads.

Wolves doing intentionally dumb things makes dumb things slightly less dumb

As dumb as that sounds, ha

Don't stroke my ego, you foolish fool of fools!

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

In light of the fact that "It's very easy for charu to just let zenith dig his own grave", the inherent problem with that is that "it's very easy". Both CK and I, at least, believe you're underestimating Charu as a player in that you think he will by default go for the "very easy" route. You're basing this off of your own meta reads but we are also basing off of meta reads.

Wolves doing intentionally dumb things makes dumb things slightly less dumb

As dumb as that sounds, ha

ok, since you seem to want to leave charu open as a lynch option, why do you think he's scummy?

[yo man im awesome]

Originally Posted by Charu

But you were OKAY with it. I think if you actually were, you would've changed your vote at that point.

I'm pretty sure I made it very clear that I wanted Zenith dead first. And not everyone else who had brought up the "plan" instantly changed votes either, why is mine a problem when I was one of the first people advocating to lynch Zenith?

[Charu]

Because you specifically said that it was OKAY. Everyone else kind of just went "Uh... I don't know... maybe?"

No one really agreed with my view until like... 10 minute until or something, and even still, no one was really saying "You're absolutely right, I'm okay with this."

[Xiz]

So, about charu:

Without better words to explain it, Charu is doing a good job at being town, but that doesn't mean he is town.


During the whole D1 lovefest, when red blaster outed, somewhere later charu stated that he is 100% sure Red blaster is not the cop. I believe charu would know better that red blaster WOULD fall for zeniths shitpost claim, which is why I believe charu attempted to do a soft(?) to attempt to take a bullet to keep town going.

HOWEVER

This could be used the same way, proving he is actually scum. Charu is someone who when red and zenith were fighting could squeeze in that soft to use this soft as a trump card later proving he is town, attempting to take a bullet for redblaster.


Now, this post:

Originally Posted by Charu

Zenith is probably still a town, but mechanically right here we're FORCED to do this.

We are not forced to do this. But that doesn't mean i'm against a zenith lynch because I still absolutely am. I hate how you keep saying he is town, with you adding words like probably or might at the end because it's not a good mentality to be in as town at all. Also, if charu is a wolf here, this would be the optimal stance for charu to be in, considering charu's D1 stance on zenith.



In response to AA:

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

because I have confidence in my ability to read him

see how he's exploring all options? if zenith is somehow town and charu is wolfing, it's very easy for charu to just let zenith dig his own grave

if they're both wolves, charu would probably bus him

but instead, charu advocates for zenith and tries to get people to consider alternatives

I see your point on being confident about charu, but I don't see charu exploring all options yet.

The bolded sentence is a terrible, terrible sentence to have you say imo. To me its more of:
if charu AND zenith are wolves = safe bussing, with the possibility to hop last minute
if charu is only a wolf = showing zenith mercy is what I have seen charu do in previous games
if charu is town and zenith wolf = Cool
if charu and zenith are town = im very wrong this game


And for funnygurl:

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555

charu now that I think about it it's weird that youre not convinced he's a wolf but want to kill him anyway

I went more into depth on this, and I take back what I said about not liking the read. Funny just didn't explain it I think? Unless im wrong?

[Xiz]

so tl;dr

Charu could very well be a wolf here, and I think charu should be on the table today. I could def see a zenith + charu pairing. I'm still thinking about and am not convinced.


Meanwhile, can someone explain their argument on ymia because I don't see it at all

[yo man im awesome]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

ok, since you seem to want to leave charu open as a lynch option, why do you think he's scummy?

Call it OMGUS, but Charu's basically called me a wolf, essentially laughed in my face with intense hubris that he's correct, and his argument is that I voted Zenith off of initial gut reads followed up by the fuck-all cop situation. That's scummy to me, tied with the tone he's taken this entire game essentially doing what I did antagonizing players last turbo.

It's kind of ironic to be honest. The very thing I'm attacking Charu for is something I myself am basically doing. His attack feels baseless and he has little evidence beyond his gut-read. I also don't have any specific post in particular that damns him as a wolf, but with the knowledge of my own role as town along with the fact that I believe his sarcasm in general feels considerably more direct, and almost condescending as opposed to previous games, it just feels very odd.

He's since claimed, again jokingly, that I can take essentially as retribution, but even if that were to be true, to me that me feel like he's even scummier, because it feels like a roleswap, where he "get's retribution" on me now that he's a wolf and gets to "embarrass" me now that I'm a town.

I just believe his picked his words very interestingly.

[yo man im awesome]

Originally Posted by Charu

Because you specifically said that it was OKAY. Everyone else kind of just went "Uh... I don't know... maybe?"

No one really agreed with my view until like... 10 minute until or something, and even still, no one was really saying "You're absolutely right, I'm okay with this."

I think AA did, off the top of my head.

[Cold Kitten]

yo i'm still lynching zenith today tbh

the ONLY other person i could be convinced of TODAY is charu but that is very very unlikely

i'm probably leading us down a black hole i am so sorry