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Old 05-28-2016, 01:25 AM   #161
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I didn't want to participate in this thread since all the legitimate claims of problems are being thrown out as incoherent whining, but....

1. Rates above ~1.6 will crash when browsing the song selection menu, and when returning to it from gameplay, seemingly randomly.

Why is this? Oh...it might be the part where the code which deals with speeding up the music was torn apart causing it to sound AWFUL and crash. Hmmm...I wonder what happens when you put it back together? Lets see...it never crashes even on 3.0+ and no longer drifts off to the right side, and since someone put in the work of fixing the ringing it's actually better than using rates on 3.95.

Here's an example from my stream of a song which would normally sound really bad on rates on both 3.95 and SM5, but after putting the rate system back together is actually acceptable.

https://www.twitch.tv/xwidghet/v/67700637

2. Stepmania 5 stutters/lags. To specify, I'm talking about where stepmania doesn't have a new frame in time for the next vsync.

This could be the part where when running windows it always sleeps 1 millisecond, even if that means the next frame will be late. This mixed with whatever happened to the opengl render that made it monumentally slow, will make users think SM5 is garbage. Around three years ago or so I ported the DX8 renderer to DX9, and the result was that OpenGL and DX9 had the same frame rate during gameplay. Now when I run it, OpenGL is 1/2 to 2/3rds the speed of DX9. Anyone happen to know why? OpenGL is supposed to be the faster and better renderer.

3. The timing is different.

Why? Is it arguably more accurate? No SM5 dev who seems to know what's different will expand upon this, just confirm that it's different.

4. Move to saving files in App Data.

I understand that the move to app data was done to get around problems, but why don't you give the user an easy way to get to it? Unknowledgable users will just have no idea where their screenshots etc are going. Could be a hotkey, or even just a short cut.

I do have more, but I think I'll wait to see what kind of response I get before going on.

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Old 05-28-2016, 06:06 AM   #162
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Old 05-28-2016, 07:10 AM   #163
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it's been good my main man, been chillin p hard since i got out of uni this month. loving the new autechre release, totally sublime. how've u been? (:
first year in uni doing info tech, been makin' some sCK chipcore lately on the side :>

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Old 05-28-2016, 08:41 AM   #164
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halogen didnt insult kyz at all just saying, his posts are quite usefull, mina no the other hand is just a shitlord like always
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Old 05-28-2016, 03:42 PM   #165
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I just keep using 3.95 because 5.x versions lag/stutter and often crashes for me

And the overall look on 3.95 is more appealing for me personally.
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Old 06-2-2016, 02:29 AM   #166
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wow thanks for proofing me right, another great example of being an ignorant player, there are a ton of pad players that play stepmania on pad, heck the piu stuff in south america is p big I would more say 50% is sm keyboard user base as in ffr because thats excluding a bunch of asian and south american communities because they mostly play pad or piu but what do I expect from a ignorant MURICAN huehue
I didn't "proof" you right, bud. I used to operate a very significant StepMania community (third biggest in the world at its peak), mirror hosting for packs, simfile database and even a stepmaniaonline server. I might not be a pad player myself, but I have dealt with many of the pad communities in different parts of the world as the website expanded and DO understand that they are a significant portion of the community. Also, I pulled that percentage out of my ass to make a point, just like you just pulled that 50% out of yours. Also, I'm South American and most-definitely not ignorant. PS you throw that word around quite a bit, as if you didn't know its negative connotation; you should stop.


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lawl calling windows "PC" o ok, anyways kyz is a linux developer its his own choice to not use windows there is nothing forcing him to use/develop for windows most people that work on stepmania make stuff for them selfs and besides why would he care about shitty little ignorant children like you that go HERPDERP 3.95 IS BEST EVER FAPFAPFAPFAP, its just not worth anyones time
PC is a Windows computer for me and for most of the world, way to kill it with the logical fallacies, keep it up!

Also, Sir, he develops for a game and, as he said, if it was a paying job and he refused to work on something that doesn't appeal to him, HE would get thrown out of a balcony, not the costumer. Also, "shitty little ignorant children" and HERPDERP, among other slang you have used in this thread are definitely NOT good examples (or exhibitions) of how to communicate with your TARGET AUDIENCE when you're representing a product and looking for feedback. Shame on you, adult baby you.


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read top part, also HERP DERP GUYS CHECK MY SCORE HOW BIG IS MY E-PENIS NOW? HUEHUE, remember when stepmania was about fun and not fucking scores, I do rip.
Adult baby, tantrum is over, let's move on. This is a ridiculous statement as StepMania, much like the fucking game it's based on (DDR, remember?) is primarily a SCORING game. Let's say you wanna have a good 'ol fun and go to the arcade and play some DEEDZ cuz it's fun.... right? WRONG, if you don't score you lose... And your fucking quarters are gone, son! I don't give two shits if my arrows can spin and disappear and do magic fucking tricks if I can't hit them on time, consistently. I don't play the game for high scores, I'm not very good anymore. I play it for fun. I am NOT having fun with your current product. Ok, bring the tantrum back, I guess.


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its just a slight timing you need to get used to and a ton of people have, its like switching from beatmania to lr2 its diffrent but calling the game shit (which some people do not saying u do) because its HERPDERP NOT THE SAME is stupid and I find it ignorant if people say 3.95 is "better" because its obvious not, its a random broken pull from the source code just to make online work, how is a broken version like that better, do people like insulting the devs that much?
Good to see you calmed downnnn-ish! The only issue I have with this statement is that Beatmania and lr2 are TWO DIFFERENT GAMES. I should NOT have to switch my timing every time I upgrade my StepMania, that's like having to re-adjust your sensitivity, sway, and timing every time I buy a new Call of Duty. Just... No.

Also, funny as it may be, I have yet to be able to make Online work on SM5.1, so I'll stick with my "random broken pull" until I am able to play a god-dammed match with bboy without the game crashing 5 times. How do you justify that the "broken pull" that is 3.95 works better than your shinny product, do devs like insulting the consumers that much?



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meanwhile osu has spyware that takes screenshots of your pc LOLOLOLOLOLOL
anyways sm6 is going to be a complete overhaul in a different engine, so expect better online functionality, it wont be sm5 or 3.95 so the timing will be different again but hey who cares, we all know how you guys are going to react already
That's completely not the point, good sir. I don't give a fuck if osu! takes screenshots of my PC (that runs Windows OHHHHH YEAAAAAAHHHHH), I would let all of you take a peak at my desktop and probably suck your dick if StepMania could ever do what osu! does.

I'm glad SM6 is aiming to be this ambitious but, if you boys keep this attitude, I will have no choice but to just make sure I let my kids know when it comes out in 15 years.


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one person from the SSC even gave up on sm becasue of how toxic this and a few other communities are, just sayin
He was probably an emo bitch. Not the only one that's giving up on SM though!

I do appreciate the FREE work you all do, but definitely not your attitude and, if his was nearly as annoying and childish as yours, I can see why he quit StepMania. I would personally quit life but, choices.

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like I said, its like comparing beatmania to lr2 the timing is different and you just have to get use to it, but sticking to an inferior broken version just blows my mind, even 3.9+ makes more sense
Again, same game, shouldn't have to.



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Old 06-2-2016, 01:42 PM   #167
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He was probably an emo bitch. Not the only one that's giving up on SM though!

I do appreciate the FREE work you all do, but definitely not your attitude and, if his was nearly as annoying and childish as yours, I can see why he quit StepMania. I would personally quit life but, choices.
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Old 06-2-2016, 01:46 PM   #168
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you do realize that people who actually play the game semi seriously dont want to spend 3 months adjusting to sm5 when it provides little benefit for them as 4k players over 3.95
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Why is this even a topic? I'm pretty sure we're all adults here.
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wow jousway so salty
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I didn't "proof" you right, bud. I used to operate a very significant StepMania community (third biggest in the world at its peak), mirror hosting for packs, simfile database and even a stepmaniaonline server. I might not be a pad player myself, but I have dealt with many of the pad communities in different parts of the world as the website expanded and DO understand that they are a significant portion of the community. Also, I pulled that percentage out of my ass to make a point, just like you just pulled that 50% out of yours. Also, I'm South American and most-definitely not ignorant. PS you throw that word around quite a bit, as if you didn't know its negative connotation; you should stop.
yeah I did pull that 50% out of my ass but my point still stands that the keyboard comunity isnt the only one, also sorry for calling you an ignorant murican its just the way you acted was exacty like one to me
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PC is a Windows computer for me and for most of the world, way to kill it with the logical fallacies, keep it up!
I always found it silly when people say PC when they mean windows because pc is a broader term than just windows but I guess its just me oops
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Also, Sir, he develops for a game and, as he said, if it was a paying job and he refused to work on something that doesn't appeal to him, HE would get thrown out of a balcony, not the costumer. Also, "shitty little ignorant children" and HERPDERP, among other slang you have used in this thread are definitely NOT good examples (or exhibitions) of how to communicate with your TARGET AUDIENCE when you're representing a product and looking for feedback. Shame on you, adult baby you.
but it isnt a working job, if it was my opinnion would be the same as yours but its something he works on in his free time with his free will and he just doesnt want to work with windows, give him the freedom he wants :V
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Adult baby, tantrum is over, let's move on. This is a ridiculous statement as StepMania, much like the fucking game it's based on (DDR, remember?) is primarily a SCORING game. Let's say you wanna have a good 'ol fun and go to the arcade and play some DEEDZ cuz it's fun.... right? WRONG, if you don't score you lose... And your fucking quarters are gone, son! I don't give two shits if my arrows can spin and disappear and do magic fucking tricks if I can't hit them on time, consistently. I don't play the game for high scores, I'm not very good anymore. I play it for fun. I am NOT having fun with your current product. Ok, bring the tantrum back, I guess.
I myself dont really care about score and focus on enjoying the music more but I guess I'm the only one, its also one of the reasons my barebone theme didnt have a eval screen when it came out, but I listenend to people and added it :>
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Good to see you calmed downnnn-ish! The only issue I have with this statement is that Beatmania and lr2 are TWO DIFFERENT GAMES. I should NOT have to switch my timing every time I upgrade my StepMania, that's like having to re-adjust your sensitivity, sway, and timing every time I buy a new Call of Duty. Just... No.
after 4.0 and the overal from xml to lua the changes were quite big which resulted in a ton of changes including the timing and resulted in bugs, its closer to being what lr2 is to beatmania than cod mw3 is to cod mw2

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Also, funny as it may be, I have yet to be able to make Online work on SM5.1, so I'll stick with my "random broken pull" until I am able to play a god-dammed match with bboy without the game crashing 5 times. How do you justify that the "broken pull" that is 3.95 works better than your shinny product, do devs like insulting the consumers that much?
could you tell us the problem you're having so we can look into it if you're willing that is, it could be that its kyz's change to screenselectstyle being lua based now which results in crashes, I had to fix that manually in my barebone theme :V

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That's completely not the point, good sir. I don't give a fuck if osu! takes screenshots of my PC (that runs Windows OHHHHH YEAAAAAAHHHHH), I would let all of you take a peak at my desktop and probably suck your dick if StepMania could ever do what osu! does.
I find my privacy quite important and having a program take screenshots and upload them is quite a privacy breach to me

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I'm glad SM6 is aiming to be this ambitious but, if you boys keep this attitude, I will have no choice but to just make sure I let my kids know when it comes out in 15 years.
I hope its sooner than 15 years haha

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He was probably an emo bitch. Not the only one that's giving up on SM though!

I do appreciate the FREE work you all do, but definitely not your attitude and, if his was nearly as annoying and childish as yours, I can see why he quit StepMania. I would personally quit life but, choices.
see last post what happens when ya said this, the person you insulted took it quite bad, I might have gone over the top myself but there was on reason to insult him so much :<

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I was so salty man
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Thank you for that reply, Jousway! See that's the kind of discussion we've been looking for since this thread started.

Now let's keep the ball rolling! I'll look into the online issue and send you the info.

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see last post what happens when ya said this, the person you insulted took it quite bad, I might have gone over the top myself but there was on reason to insult him so much :<
I meant it more as a joke but I apologize if he got offended. I am aware of the HUGE impact AJ has had in stepmania and, had I known it was him, I would have never said this. If you talk to him, send him my apologies, please.
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Hello, are you enjoying this legendary thread? This is when Stepmania 5's development stopped. It all started here. Amazing, right?
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I still think something good can come out of this thread.
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Thank you for that reply, Jousway! See that's the kind of discussion we've been looking for since this thread started.
yeah I tought if I went to shit post again we would get nowere haha
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Now let's keep the ball rolling! I'll look into the online issue and send you the info.
cool, anyways try my barebone theme and see if it still happens if it doesnt I'm sure its the bug in the engine when you set the game type using lua
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I meant it more as a joke but I apologize if he got offended. I am aware of the HUGE impact AJ has had in stepmania and, had I known it was him, I would have never said this. If you talk to him, send him my apologies, please.
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I keep using 3.95 because I don't feel like getting used to the subtle timing shift on sm5
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ok real talk

I still use 3.9+ for offline play because..........

...I like XI Black R2

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u have good taste in themes gamma (:
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