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I'm not trying to convince anyone anymore. I'm just going to implement the improvements I want and write the release notes. You'll have to figure out whether it's better for yourself.
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lol happy
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When it's not, don't bitch at us for noticing. Thanks.
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new hand moves = dab
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When you do, try to sound informed. Thanks.
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Owlbears Rock!
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Bitches gettin' fiesty in here about what Stepmania is more Stepmania.
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Enjoy life!
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The thread should probably be locked.
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I'm just saying that when someone installs ~10 songs then claims 5.0.7 didn't make a difference in loading times, they sound incredibly uninformed.
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Late, but I tried 3.9, 3.95 and 5. Got a few Aoreo packs that support rolls, so I guess I have 3.95. I just really like how the backgrounds, screenshots, and songs are easily accessible in their own folders. So when Icy goes and throws in some Jiburiru The Devil Angel into GammaBlaster's Serious Shit (and don't think I haven't figured out that the banner is just color-reversed and zoomed in) I can notice this and be all "well, that's something people probably shouldn't stream." Or fap to. Whatever.
Plus after I work my ass off and my wrists are on fire after finally AAing Wedding Peak Heavy or something dumb, I don't have to spend another 10 minutes going through my temp folders looking for the SS. Just pull up the program folder and bam, right there. Yes, once you start accumulating 2K+ files the game takes a while to load, but it's something I'm willing to put up with for easy access to program assets and proof of badassery. Edit: Quote:
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Try looking at posts like the one from icyworld, who has the same problem as me. Why do I still use 3.95? Gee I fucking wonder, maybe because it starts? You want me to help you work out why? I'd love to provide specs and logs if you want to troubleshoot. Oh, you don't want help? You're just going to call me uninformed? Ooookay, then. Don't come into a forum of people who use your product and want to see it succeed, ask them to talk about features they like from an older version of that product, then proceed to fling shit like a pubescent chimpanzee when people give you answers you don't want to hear.
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lol happy
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Honestly the attitude from the SM5 development team would something I could watch from afar and laugh at the hilarious example of self-congratulatory self-destruction, if I didn't care about the program and the community.
EDIT- for people wondering why I'm mad despite not having posted before in this thread specifically, this is far from the first time I've tried to help SM5 and been rudely talked down to. I'm so sick of threads like this. Don't fucking post on FFR if you don't want to hear the answers FFR is going to give.
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new hand moves = dab
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if you decide to try to start taking input from this community again, I think what you should do is have someone else from your team act as a representative here. they can gather the comments that are constructive and filter out the ones that aren't. then, they can pass what they've got on to you in a different setting. this would allow you to: 1) avoid seeing the kind of low-quality feedback that seems to tilt you pretty hard 2) vent your frustrations somewhere else @ FFR folks: if you have a personal issue with someone, then as always, it's probably best to take it up via PM. if you want to help contribute to ongoing development of sm5, you could leave a post here, but I'd say you might as well head over to stepmania.com and get involved there. (disclaimer: I don't play anymore; these are just my thoughts after skimming some of this thread) |
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Spun a twirly fruitcake,
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the devs sound uninformed about FFR
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Make sm great again
In all seriousness, whatever ya choose to do (SM devs) just have fun doing it. Whether you develop on some of the problems addressed in this thread or not we still love to see activity and progress being made for a game we cherish. Sure some of us will call you out for coming in here, asking for opinions, then attempt to degrade those who have issues with sm5 that you do not experience, but hey... we aint the ones working on it. Last edited by Frank Munoz; 05-25-2016 at 06:41 PM.. |
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anyways sm6 is going to be a complete overhaul in a different engine, so expect better online functionality, it wont be sm5 or 3.95 so the timing will be different again but hey who cares, we all know how you guys are going to react already Quote:
like I said, its like comparing beatmania to lr2 the timing is different and you just have to get use to it, but sticking to an inferior broken version just blows my mind, even 3.9+ makes more sense
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yeah you nailed it
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- You're not in the competitive scene, and this is incredibly insulting to people who are using the StepMania platform to play at exceptionally high levels. Remember which community you're trying to talk to when making these points. - I'm going to make a pretty fair comparison for those who are so adapted to 3.95 to those who play FPS-games at a reasonably high level. When a FPS game has been around for a while and involves competitive play against other players, you'll likely have adapted settings for your particular machine that you will not change so long as you don't have to. You're not going to randomly change your mouse sensitivities/keybinds/monitor after being adapted to them for years, because it's going to inhibit your play. Those who play StepMania at these levels likely have adapted themselves to a particular noteskin, a speedmod specifically for that theme, basic modifications/optimizations to those themes, and even as far as customizable resolutions (as MinaciousGrace has said). What seems like a slight change to you is not going to be the same as someone who has played in a specific environment at their peak level, especially at the competitive level. I can vouch for the fact that MinaciousGrace has put a retarded amount of time in optimizing his play. - Another reason worth keeping 3.95 as a build is that players have the ability to use the editor to place 192nd notes. Players who only specialize in pad play won't realize the importance of that hyper-precise quantize, whereas keyboard stepartists use them frequently for accenting in a way that is negligibly accurate within the timing window. Also keep in mind that, while broken, it was still more than usable enough by most players to create custom noteskins and themes that were also usable with the experimental online features. Timing is key here. - Very few players in this community, if anyone at all, took well to StepMania 4 when it came out, and the gap in time between StepMania 4 and the introductory development to sm-ssc was rather large; what were players supposed to do? Completely change their environment to something so incredibly unoptimized and different (and in my personal experiences at the time, something incredibly unstable?) The community is not out to insult the developers in the slightest, but you need to realize: it's going to take an extremely smooth transition to get players from 3.95 over to 5 out of their own volition, because they've been using it for so long and likely have no -real- reason to switch since they can play just about all of the competitive content out there (that, and most content creators have embraced the fact that these players exist and won't step proprietarily for SM5 in the first place). Quote:
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