TWG CLII: Another Sleepless Night - GAME THREAD

[XelNya]

No sunfan spam away buddy

don't let this bitch tell you how to be you

LET THE SPAM FLO SO BRO

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by T-Force

VOTE COUNT
AragakiAyase: 4 - Gradiant, storn42, Tokzic, botchi246
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Tokzic: 3 - thesunfan, AragakiAyase, Charu
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Charu: 1 - gold stinger
Red Blaster: 1 - XelNya
XelNya: 1 - Red Blaster
roundbox: 1 - cedolad
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Yet to vote: roundbox, blindreper1179

It takes 7 to insta.

Phase ends in 5 minutes.

quoting because this is a pretty important votecount to look at

I think, and this is just generally how things play out in games, that two wolves are in the lead wagons, and the third is likely to be outside of that

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

I was a large part of why Tokzic died over you, so it doesn't make much sense for me to be a wolf from your perspective, I think

tinfoil but I agree, I think you're probably town at this point I'm just upset I'm being misread

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

oh the mindmeld

its not really a mindmeld if its something (sort of? I don't know if this actually qualifies as) mechanical

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

I thought I did but I'll try again

it because of how you pushed back on him

I will grant you that Tokzic was playing wolfy. I don't think anyone in their right mind regrets lynching him

That being said, you were only tunneled in on him. The difference between misguided town and a wolf is pretty hard to stop on d0, so having so many "misguided town" voting for you is something that rarely happens. If you're town, and you're the top poster, I don't think wolves are going to hang back from pushing you, especially because no one was really hard defending you until very close to EOD.

You pushing back on Tokzic and not on your other voters was weird in my mind.

The way you pushed back on, while you did vote for him early in the phase as a prod, was weak at first, and it never really got stronger. You were pushing him back because you couldn't believe he was pushing you, which, again, is reactive, not proactive, and is a usually a sign of a wolf instead of a town.

the reason my push on tokzic didn't get stronger is because he didn't give me anything to work with so I kept saying we should lynch him for the reasons I kept listing. He straight up posted nothing until he popped in, scumread me weakly, vanished again, then came back in to vote me. How am I supposed to strengthen my push on him except by insisting we should lynch him? I had already fully covered my case on him. He had what seemed to be a promising entrance, but his behavior didn't line up. Then when he came in and pushed weakly on me I built that into my case because that felt scummy. And then when he came in again and tried to bandwagon me and just casually vote me, I pushed back even harder. He never pushed on anyone else and never said anything else, how am I supposed to strengthen my push? doesn't make sense

like I said, I was townreading my other voters. Is it so strange to consider that maybe a bunch of town were voting for me (maybe a wolf in storn) and the wolves just hang back? If too many people got onto me too quickly it might sketch out actual townspeople who could maybe more easily see the push is on a town fueled by so many people that there have to be wolves. With just a few, namely gradiant (weak pushes from tokzic/storn/botchi) it seems more plausible that I'm a wolf from other people's perspectives.

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

its not really a mindmeld if its something (sort of? I don't know if this actually qualifies as) mechanical

does it? My reaction at the time was basically yours so I think that's a mindmeld

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

I don't at all see how losing PRs means that I lose the ability to evaluate the game objectively.

because emotions are a thing, aren't they? I didn't say you lose the ability to evaluate objectively but it could very well be lessened

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by storn42

aa
Thank you for showing me that you don't in fact have a good reason to lynch cedo

this post is essentially saying "How dare you not be reading the game the way I am"

I've never seen you make a vote based on that reasoning before

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

hmmm its almost like cedo didn't mean what he said, AA

didn't interpret it that way, if you know cedo better than I do then hooray, I thought he was dead serious about lynching those 3

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

because emotions are a thing, aren't they? I didn't say you lose the ability to evaluate objectively but it could very well be lessened

Do you see me making posts being upset that Tokzic was a dipshit or that DBP was the cop?

Thems the breaks. I take them as they come. Maybe its just because I have more experience (I hate saying this it makes me feel like I'm full of myself), but PRs dying like this tends not to upset me, so I don't think that this is relevant

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

doesn't actually make you out to be wolfier, AA

since we're on the subject of roundbox, again, I'm not great at reading him, but I think part of the reason this is the case is because he's a very leveled player

He's shown himself to be good at faking emotion (especially in lTWG), and while this read is not necessarily a bad one, I do think that reading round off of emotion is generally a bad idea

??? am I interpreting thsi correctly in that you're surprised I haven't made a "wolfy" post?

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

who the FUCK are the wolves, then

blind
red blsater
storn

let's try storn

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

??? am I interpreting thsi correctly in that you're surprised I haven't made a "wolfy" post?

I'm saying that specific post isn't wolfy, just something I wanted to comment on

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by XelNya

Blind looks a bit better than I thought he did but would like to see a real push somewhere

because



Is actually kinda worth noting

why does blind look better? iirc he's made like 3 posts since you last evaluated him and none of them said much

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

vote feels out of place because you were yelling at storn and Gradiant at the time, the vote is inbetween posts where you were talking about them

but guess what I was saying? something like "your pushes are bad but you're still probably town"

[AragakiAyase]

greg, do you agree with my read that there's one between red blaster and xelnya?

do you agree that there's also probably one between cedo and storn?

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by roundbox

with both PRs dead I think they could have made a FUCK U kill

fwiw I absolutely hate this post from round, it might be the scummiest thing anyone has said all game, mainly because it makes literally no sense at all

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

Do you see me making posts being upset that Tokzic was a dipshit or that DBP was the cop?

Thems the breaks. I take them as they come. Maybe its just because I have more experience (I hate saying this it makes me feel like I'm full of myself), but PRs dying like this tends not to upset me, so I don't think that this is relevant

that's nice, I'm not quite that experienced. I've never had a game go this badly for town so far where I'm also being wrongly scumread

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

greg, do you agree with my read that there's one between red blaster and xelnya?

do you agree that there's also probably one between cedo and storn?

if there is one between xel and red its xel imo

I don't think that there's anything that binds cedo or storn together in my mind, so this one I'm less sure on, and I tend to evaluate players independently.

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

greg what the fuck this was 17 minutes before EOD

do tokzic/me have to be w/t? Because we're t/t

honestly you really should've been in the "won't lynch" category

Part of the reason I put you in my town leans is because Tokzic was pushing you, and it very clearly wasn't a bus, and I was reading him wolfy.