TWG 150: Undertale Postgame

[Makilaz]

if you had approached this objectively and said "there's always one between plane/napsta for <reasons that have nothing to do with meta>" i would've been much more likely to reevaluate napsta earlier than i did

it pretty much got to the point where it felt like you were arguing that you were right because of course you were right and how dare anyone even consider the fact that you're wrong, and circular reasoning is one of my major pet peeves

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by Makilaz

you realize how infuriating it feels to be scumread as hard as you read me for seemingly really bullshit reasons that were out of my hands and weren't even true, i hope (allegedly being a partner and getting bussed)

I mean, of course I do, welcome to TWG.

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by Makilaz

if you had approached this objectively and said "there's always one between plane/napsta for <reasons that have nothing to do with meta>" i would've been much more likely to reevaluate napsta than i did

I feel like I did a lot to show that the meta was essentially foolproof. If Charu buses often because he likes being correct -> his townreads are 100% correct -> it should follow that his scumreads are at the very least mostly correct.

[Charu]

It's a good thing I made that reads list, huh?

They were, more or less, as accurate as I could make 'em.

*wink*

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by Makilaz

unless dummy got nightkilled instead of temmie so papyrus could still pretend he was the medic but i guess we'll never know now

because Napsta was not the roleblocker, its pretty easy for Papyrus to kill Temmie and claim he was roleblocked. Its what I would've done. Again, there's no way to know, though

[Charu]

Remember when you were gloating about how I was red checked too?

I'm surprised I played that phase out without bursting into laughter. OH

By the way...

I was NEVER angry, hee hee.

[Makilaz]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

because Napsta was not the roleblocker, its pretty easy for Papyrus to kill Temmie and claim he was roleblocked. Its what I would've done. Again, there's no way to know, though

i brought this up in a later post when i remembered who was who

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by Red Blaster

Can we talk about that. I think he should get an infraction or something for that.

...really? I'm actually pretty shocked to hear this. It was nothing personal. At that point of the game, I knew you were a wolf, and when I know people are wolves (or have to pretend that they are) I spend a lot of time talking to them when I really shouldn't be (I spent a lot of time talking to Sans, more than I should've). When I know you're a wolf, I don't really have any reason to care about anything you post. I feel like I didn't do anything wrong, maybe if you explain to me why you think it is a punishable action.

[Charu]

Originally Posted by TWG Tsunderplane

are you fucking kidding me, fuck you greg i'm not reading that wall of text

PS, this is me whenever I see a mega post of death in any TWG game. Replace the name with whoever posted a wall of text.

[Makilaz]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

I feel like I did a lot to show that the meta was essentially foolproof. If Charu buses often because he likes being correct -> his townreads are 100% correct -> it should follow that his scumreads are at the very least mostly correct.

the meta was not foolproof because it led you down the road to thinking i was napsta's partner and given how hard you were gunning for me in the final day i know for a fact you would've insta'd me eventually

why did you give papyrus a free pass, was it because charu nullread him instead of bussing him?

[Charu]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

I'd give it to Flowey, I think that they played essentially perfectly this game.

OH!

I really didn't think Flowey was Xel. That one came as a shocker when I saw who Flowey was. I'm deeply proud of Xel for keeping a super cool mind. That was an amazing performance.

I just wished he did more Flowey stuff, I certainly would've!

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by Makilaz

it's such a childish, dumbass play no matter how you slice it and it should never have happened in the first place

Like... I knew he was a wolf. I never would've considered doing this if I didn't know that. I find that a fault in my play is that I spend too much time caring about what outed wolves say. This essentially eliminates that fault.

@Yoshl, yes I did actually put Napsta on ignore, and I kept him there. I still haven't taken him off of ignore, actually.

This is a tactic that I know is legal on other sites, I've seen people do it on 2+2 and on MafiaUniverse, but we're not them. When Omega played with Snowcrafta, I let him keep Snowcrafta on ignore because I felt like it was within the game, it was Omega's choice not to read Snowcrafta's posts. If I felt like it was possible for me to do so, I would've done that, and I don't think anyone would be arguing for me getting an infraction...

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by Makilaz

the meta was not foolproof because it led you down the road to thinking i was napsta's partner and given how hard you were gunning for me in the final day i know for a fact you would've insta'd me eventually

why did you give papyrus a free pass, was it because charu nullread him instead of bussing him?

I gave Papyrus a free pass because I was reading you scummy. I did still call it a possible world but yes I was pretty convinced that you were scum, not that he was town.

I'm not saying the meta was foolproof, I'm saying I tried to show that it was. I know now that it wasn't.

I mean if you're going to yell at me and say "You never would've reevaluated" then I feel like you weren't looking at what I was saying. I think the best thing a town can do is constantly reevaluate their position to see if its a good one or not. Its part of why I didn't like you all that much, you weren't reevaluating on Napsta.

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by Makilaz

wouldn't surprise me to be honest

nothing can convince me that greg wouldn't immediately point to his wall of text trying to convince temmie that the final two was me/napsta as vindication and just straight up insta me

i don't even feel bad for losing the game now i'm just frustrated as hell

this supposition is impossible because the final 3 can never be Temmie, you and me.

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by Charu

That's cool, you would probably remember it once Napsta got lynched.

And yeah, will say again, because I'm honestly just that surprised, Dummy pardoned your claim and actions in the beginning of the phase.

I've seen lurker do this kind of thing before, I guess part of it is the epicmafia mindset.

I don't ever respect voting for yourself in lylo, I actually got up from the computer for a bit after I saw him do that, and I was trying very hard not to fucking destroy his asshole. I think my post about losing respect for him for voting for himself showcases this really well.

I'd like to think that I come around on him, but tbh I was pretty far in the tunnel at that point. I would've done a hard-reset as best I could going into f3, but you can only do that to a certain point.

[Makilaz]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

this supposition is impossible because the final 3 can never be Temmie, you and me.

it would be you me and papyrus, you would assume i blocked papyrus and killed temmie and use your wall o' text to prop up your argument

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by Charu

Dummy doesn't strike me as the type of player who would instantly vote for someone in F3.

That definitely doesn't fit his style.

everything is situational. If Temmie made it into f3, of course I instantly vote for the other person. I think that there is merit to instantly voting for someone, it denies the wolves any sort of plan for the day phase. Its high-risk high-reward of course, but if there's a confirmed alive the risk is significantly minimized.

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by Makilaz

it would be you me and papyrus, you would assume i blocked papyrus and killed temmie and use your wall o' text to prop up your argument

My personal policy of final 3s is always to do a hard reset of my reads (unless I'm in a final 3 with a confirmed or something). I feel like this should be obvious because you literally just saw me in a final 3, where I made no reads until I reread the entire thread.

I get that you're frustrated, I can be frustrating to play with sometime. But I think you just need to step back for a second and calm down.

[Makilaz]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

Its part of why I didn't like you all that much, you weren't reevaluating on Napsta.

you keep saying i wasn't reevaluating when what you really mean is "you weren't scumreading napsta like i wanted you to"

in my mind napsta was a solid town almost the entire game. i looked back, didn't see anything that seemed scummy, liked their reaction to pressure, and you stood out WAY more as potential scum than they did

[Makilaz]

i'm much calmer than i was this morning but i'm still not happy with you at all