jTWG LXXX - Simplicity 2.0

[choof]

man fuck, I gotta go to bed but I will be waking up early just to yell at you even more

[Charu]

I love choof

[Soundwave-]

Originally Posted by choof

I'm not able to understand what you're implying with ghe first bit of this post...

STOP WITH THE PERSONA

Chill.

I dropped the persona awhile ago.

I guess you didn't notice.

All I meant that there's basically no interpretation of "peer" that makes Charu my peer.

To argue otherwise is humbling, if anything.

Originally Posted by Tokzic

(also as a human the only way you have any ability to win the game is to use your vote on a wolf)

Not as important of a detail when your vote is on somebody that already has a death sentence and then someone on them.

[choof]

oh shit so that means youre this smug irl too?

[choof]

Originally Posted by choof

there are two ways I'm looking at that
1 - you think charu could be a wolf but if this is the case then why do you have a vote on dbp? you think dbp is a wolf too? do you think that charu are dbp could be partners? have you been withholding thoughts on a dbp wolf possibility?
2 - you're the cockiest wolf ever and are basking in the universal but shaky townread on you, and seriously have no idea just how much of an asshole I can be

what have you done this game that has been human? what have you done this game that has been pro-town?

ps there are still questions in this post tbat can be answered
I was gonna cut you some slack because I got bottom paged but you obviously just skimmed right over these

if you do not answer questions in this post in regards to dbp and your vote on him I will do everything in my power tomorrow to get you lynched. I absolutely refuse to believe that keeping you alive for longer than a day will be a net positive. we dont need asinine players like you losing the game for the town in final 5/3

[choof]

but shit if you are a wolf, pls keep yourself alive so you get let your team down

[Soundwave-]

I don't understand the reasoning behind the possibilities provided. Any combination of the two could be equally true.

As for what have I done for town?

I'd say I've provided some fair town leans for many people. Maybe I haven't, and I'm just easily mislead by meta, but if I didn't believe I have provided them, then I wouldn't have voted at all.

But if I make it to 5/3, what part of my play concerns you?

[Charu]

What's da vote count

[Soundwave-]

Originally Posted by choof

oh shit so that means youre this smug irl too?

And yes, yes I am. Especially in contexts where I have little to lose.

If my smugness leads to my death then all I've lost is a game.

[choof]

Originally Posted by Soundwave-

I don't understand the reasoning behind the possibilities provided. Any combination of the two could be equally true.

As for what have I done for town?

I'd say I've provided some fair town leans for many people. Maybe I haven't, and I'm just easily mislead by meta, but if I didn't believe I have provided them, then I wouldn't have voted at all.

But if I make it to 5/3, what part of my play concerns you?

okay so you skipped over questions again, neat. maybe your reading comprehension is depreciated because it's past your bedtime so I'll ask them again:

do you think dbp is a wolf?
do you think charu and dbp could be a team?
this might be a bit of a doozy for you, but bear with me! do you have any justification on your vote for dbp beyond "someone told me to?"

being an annoying newb doesnt help town. wnb has significantly less posts than you but more content. he's offered up his thoughts pretty freely. this makes him, by virtue, townier than you.

the part of your play that woukd be objectively bad at final 5/3 is your inability to make posts that dont feel forced. you have not made a post that reads as fake, and that is not something we need when the game hinges on two dudes and a dog.

[choof]

Originally Posted by Soundwave-

And yes, yes I am. Especially in contexts where I have little to lose.

If my smugness leads to my death then all I've lost is a game.

if this is actually the case then please dont ever play twg again
you might not care about losing or winning, but this kind of mindset affects the enjoyment of the other players. it affects the play of others.

[Soundwave-]

Originally Posted by choof

do you think dbp is a wolf?

More than anyone else at the moment, though I will fully admit to the possibility that they flip green. Of course, if I thought at this point that they're more likely green than red I would not have voted.

Originally Posted by choof

do you think charu and dbp could be a team?

Again, I don't see the justification here. Though at this point, yes, I'm probably missing something important because I operate on like, 1 hour of sleep.

But, to be direct: Maybe, but leaning no at the moment because DBP reads wolf to me, and Charu reads town.

If a wolf was this invested in my towniness, then congrats, I have been played.

Originally Posted by choof

do you have any justification on your vote for dbp beyond "someone told me to?"

Something about a town's only tool being their vote?

Granted, I could have just not voted, and as it stands DBP would still be dead.

But people don't like me being secretive, which is granted, virtually never helpful as a town, especially if for someone who isn't a special town.

Originally Posted by choof

the part of your play that woukd be objectively bad at final 5/3 is your inability to make posts that dont feel forced. you have not made a post that reads as fake, and that is not something we need when the game hinges on two dudes and a dog.

Both parts of this analysis have biases.

The first, that I can't make posts that don't feel forced, is biased by the fact that you have yet to see a forced post. Trust me. It's obvious. I'm not great at hiding it. The "persona", which I barely upheld, probably is attributable to this.

The second, that I can't make posts that read fake, is biased by the fact that I have yet to have a reason to make a post that reads fake. I have nothing to gain from lying, hiding, or constructing at this point.

[Soundwave-]

Originally Posted by choof

if this is actually the case then please dont ever play twg again
you might not care about losing or winning, but this kind of mindset affects the enjoyment of the other players. it affects the play of others.

If I got straight up nuked I probably wouldn't play again, because I realize this.

But I do in fact care about winning, and people do seem to be doing fine.

[Soundwave-]

Originally Posted by Soundwave-

The "persona", which I barely upheld, probably is attributable to this.

I can english. I swear.

Let's try "This bias is probably attributable to the "persona" (which I barely upheld)."

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by Soundwave-

More than anyone else at the moment, though I will fully admit to the possibility that they flip green. Of course, if I thought at this point that they're more likely green than red I would not have voted.

I see. Have you put why in your own words where I could glance at it again? I might have missed it, but I am kinda curious what leans you that way

because I see dbp as sure a little different from the norm

But I think it's more a stylistic choice because while it is different, it's not drastic or gimmicky kind of different is the feeling I get

But upon a little of reskimming

these posts together, look a lot more weird to me

Originally Posted by thesunfan

tl;dr

Town:
sunfan
choof
soundwave
lurker

fg

storn (I should add it feels like he doesn't have an agenda this game)

null towns to null scums:
w&b

dfr (the two posts he made while I was making the bigger post put him above xel on my list)

xel

scummy
Charu (Tokzic)
dbp

I'm not really sure where to put j-rodd he doesn't really fit in on the list, consider me doing little more than acknowledging that I am playing the game with him rn.

Originally Posted by thesunfan

charu
only because I don't have a townread on anyone voting for dbp rn

And I can't really explain why.

Like yeah sure he's still voting in the scum pile he posted

And sure by taking his vote off dbp he's making sure a mistaken / intentional insta doesn't help occur

But it still feels out of place to me for some reason

Even after this

Originally Posted by thesunfan

to be fair, I've learned a lot from the way that Charu plays as a wolf, I think that he does an incredible job of posting how he does as a human, but he does it to a fault based on the extra information he has from knowing his partners. I normally don't make associative reads unless its really late game and there are a lot of scum alive, but it just leaped out to me that its what Charu would do as a wolf there.

I think that I've kind of taken the way he plays as a wolf to heart, and I agree that if you can play that way, you should, but he really has a problem with TMI in my opinion.

I think I'm just tin-foiling, but am I the only one?

[XelNya]

Like everything about those sunfan posts feels townie

But it feels, a little too good? Maybe?

[XelNya]

Just kinda thought projecting on that one I suppose.

I also don't like the idea of dpb lynch because I think d2 would be more indicative

Choof feels a lot better tone-wise

dfr is meh

and isn't jrodd more angry than usual? Or what's the word...

[Soundwave-]

Originally Posted by XelNya

I see. Have you put why in your own words where I could glance at it again? I might have missed it, but I am kinda curious what leans you that way

Originally Posted by Soundwave-

So, here's my thoughts thus far:

Lurker - Slight Town - Wouldn't head straight for wolf because obvious bait is obvious, but instead the proactivity in determining a new players meta is much more necessary for town than wolf.

j-rodd - Slight Town - During the initial bait, I was leaning a far-fetched wolf, but their vote was quickly targeted elsewhere, suggesting a simple town bait.

choof - Slight Town See lurker, but not as terrible at baiting.

DaBackpack - Slight Wolf - Definitely way too weak an intuition to even vote out of spite. I would have ignored the previously mentioned seemingly forced posting (as I said previously, I want to avoid judgments that rely too much on meta) if it weren't for the slight detail that they jumped on the bandwagon the instant there was a direct attack on me, for no other apparent reason.

Everything else is me feeling off about people because they feel off about me. So is the way of the werewolf game, not going to look too deep into those yet.

I have a few more town reads at this point, due to similar reasons as the other two, which was my main reason for voting over abstaining.

Basically, the way DBP echo'd attacks felt false and unmotivated, with no purpose other than to get me killed because I was an easy target.

[Soundwave-]

Well, there's a good chance I won't be back till the next day.

See you on the other side.

Or not, at this point who knows?

[storn42]

sometimes i feel like you guys are really too eager to vote for DBP, if he hasn't done anything for whatever reason. im not talking like "oh phase is almost over and he hasn't done anything". i mean, if even 1/2 the phase has gone by and he hasn't done anything everyone is ontop of it. i also really dont like soundwave just jumping on the bandwagon to jump on the bandwagon.... i will also add that this is the perfect point for a wolf to jump on the dbp bandwagon because no matter what the outcome dbp is an easy lynch at this point.

that said... phase is almost over and DBP hasn't said much, and probably wont say anything more. dbp you are now at L-1 i believe

hooray for hypocrite!