TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)

[dLGN]

gl, botchi do what I said in the night. hopefully you can figure out the parts I didn't detail exactly, and can see some interesting things you can do with that general framework.

ummmm gg? no hard feelings

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by dLGN

just to be clear you know I am talking about storn there, yeah? he did nothing but seemed to think it was clear all along

pushing for not lynching xiz =/= nothing. It may have not been as much as what you expected but it's more than almost everyone else in the game did with regards to not lynching xiz

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by dLGN

also I just flat out disagree, you need mislynches not votes right now if you are mafia

mislynches can be more easily obtained if mafia have town in their pocket

[storn42]

You know, by saying "I'm town" isn't helping anyone. Clearly you trying to explain yourself isn't working. So instead of trying to prove how town you you are work on playine the game.

[AragakiAyase]

k gonna be on phone now intermittently

[storn42]

Also on phone for the weekend. Prepare for less free time (like a lot less) and almost nothing from slack

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XelNya and his town/wolf meta:

XelNya's town and wolf meta have a stark contrast between each other. The key ingredient in this contrast relies on two elements: activity and shitpost:content post ratio. I have been playing on the forums in every game since CXXXII (excluding the one I hosted and the dual-Matrix 6 setups) and seen XelNya in most of them.

Town meta: Town XelNya is typically paranoid (self-admitted). Yes, he does post gifs and make shitposts as town, but the important difference here is how many shitposts he makes compared to actual game content posts. As you can guess, this ratio when he is town is weighted toward content over shit. Take a look at two games ago. This is a view of Xel's initial posts in a game where he was human. He does indeed start off shit posting, but he starts voicing his concerns very quickly. You could arguably say it starts here, but it definitely picks up and doesn't slow down starting here. If you click on page 5, you do find some more shitposts, but the top half of the page is highly focused on content. You can read the rest of the posts if you want to, but the shitposting stays at a pretty low ratio.

Check out another town game of his. This is from CXLI, the slopefiring game. The post history can be found here. This page 4 only lists 6 of his posts, but he gets to the point very quickly if you check out his next posts in that game, particularly his 9th post. He's already into solving the game. He doesn't really stop solving either. He makes prodding posts that wake people up and show that he actually has initiative.

He starts off the slopefiring game with a post that applies directly to two games: this game, and his previous scum game. Check it out for delicious, delicious satisfaction.

Xel's wolf meta:
Xel's wolf meta is highly compromised of shitposting. He lacks a lot of initiative that he does as a town, and he spends more time shitting up the thread than he does take action.

His last scum game was CXL: Anime North, which is fitting since it's a setup very close to ours. Here is his post history. Notice something? He has 70 posts this entire fucking game. Aside from that, check out how much time he wastes before cutting into actual gameplay. Unfortunately, the links to his shitpost images (which was a bird who did nothing but flame one player: Zenith, which is Xel's go-to whipping boy along with Red Blaster) don't work, but I can assure you they were only spent tunneling one player. This post marks the point of good evidence against Zenith and is some decent contribution, but it took him a long time to get there. Do yourself a favor and look at his second page (and final page) of posts for this game. One thing I do want to point out, though, is he accumulated 6 or so posts on an alternate account for some reason. Not alignment indicative, but I didn't want to leave that detail out. Like, the posting chain starting here is pretty shitpost flavored. The posts shortly after don't really do anything to help him either. How does he end this? Hammering the vote on FG, ending the game in a wolf victory.

Here's the first game I played with him, and he was a wolf. I was on his case for awhile since he was really tunneling into Zenith and was too lazy to do much else. His activity in this game is complete shit as well. Surprise: he shitposts his way into oblivion. Luckily for you and me, he doesn't post much this game and most, if not all of his content posts, are focused on getting one player lynched.

So how does this measure up against this game? Well, let's take a look at his first page of posts starting here. See anything useful? I do, but it's not until here, but his content here is focused on principle rather than applying a read to a player. This is a good excuse to make a vote against another player without doing any actual work. I would argue that his content really starts here, even if it is playing off of something another player said. He slipped onto the Gradiant train at one of the last moments of the lynch, and supported lynching Xiz throughout the whole next phase, which was an easy wagon to board. Since then, Xel has fallen off the face of the earth and has lacked any sort of initiative to start a conversation with anyone. He dragged his ass back into the thread and posted reads only because people were prodding him, not because he was making an effort to solve a game like we saw in the town examples I provided above.

Also, here's some great irony here:

Originally Posted by XelNya

I somewhat don't wanna go into this because I think my memory is fuzzy about whom it was, but I remember someone doing this hilariously random vote on botchi, and I wanna reaffirm who that was.

I think it was rzr, but I wanna see that before I answer that with a definitive

But to be precise, atm it's rzr, subject to change pending a reread.

Originally Posted by XelNya

Botchi

For these reasons, I believe Xel is howling like a motherfucker and is undoubtedly a wolf here.

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Originally Posted by XelNya

fuck you buddy

here, I'm gonna vote you again XelNya

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that xelnya post is one of the better posts I've made this game and my recent career so you can all suck a cock when I'm right and he flips wolf

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on Rzr's read on dlgn:

I do agree that dlgn has been a prick this game and it has been a hindrance to town. I do not agree with his vote at this time since it is a little weak in the reads department (also it doesn't match my current vote), but the way dLGN plays (self-admitted) is that he townreads players instead of scumhunting. If anything, his most recent votes and suspicions have been made entirely from PoE. PoE is great and all, but I agree that he needs much more evidence and information to push a vote in this crowd.

However, from what I dug up on dLGN in an earlier post, I have a hard time seeing him as a wolf this game considering it would mean one of his partners is Tokzic. Read through their log again and tell me any of that emotion is fabricated. dLGN resorts to all-caps, the Internet equivalent of shouting, at Tokzic for disagreeing. Why would two members of the wolf team, happy to get any way to get a lead of the alliance be arguing like this? dLGN was just recently arguing in all caps in this post here. I'm just not seeing it.

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I see XelNya lurking. Let's play a game:

Originally Posted by XelNya

Another side note is that I have no intention to read what I have missed

Because I'm just gonna sit back and let town implode on themselves a second time

Well wait, that won't work, I mean, I just came out of a game where AFK winning was the way to go

Probably won't work twice

I call it "XelNya predicts the future because his ass is getting lynched for trying it a second time"

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by roundbox

However, from what I dug up on dLGN in an earlier post, I have a hard time seeing him as a wolf this game considering it would mean one of his partners is Tokzic. Read through their log again and tell me any of that emotion is fabricated. dLGN resorts to all-caps, the Internet equivalent of shouting, at Tokzic for disagreeing. Why would two members of the wolf team, happy to get any way to get a lead of the alliance be arguing like this? dLGN was just recently arguing in all caps in this post here. I'm just not seeing it.

aragakiayase [1:42 AM]
so you think there's no way that it could be orchestrated

​[1:43]
because someone, I forget who, said that one of their favorite parts of playing wolf

​[1:43]
is being able to fake emotion and yell at their partner

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Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

aragakiayase [1:42 AM]
so you think there's no way that it could be orchestrated

​[1:43]
because someone, I forget who, said that one of their favorite parts of playing wolf

​[1:43]
is being able to fake emotion and yell at their partner

I am very, very certain that this was not fabricated. Compare this to Tokzic's conversation with Xel:

tokzic [9:29 PM] 
yo

​[9:30] 
can you do me a favour


----- Today December 8th, 2015 -----
xelnya [2:55 AM] 
What'cha need

​[2:55] 
Sorry for slow response, was working and slack and my phone don't work too well

tokzic [7:49 PM] 
i have no idea where you fit into things at all

​[7:49] 
you've pressured people a couple times

​[7:49] 
and that's it

​[7:50] 
can you list a couple of your top town and top scum

​[7:50] 
preferably in thread

​[7:50] 
because i don't think i'm the only one who has no clue how to read you

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For being in the thread for about 20 minutes I'd expect xel to be posting snippets and short responses to me
looks like he's frozen, guys

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he left the thread
looks like success for me

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I know you all are mobile but it would be great if you responded in some way

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by roundbox

he left the thread
looks like success for me

[XelNya]

And before you ask

[XelNya]

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Originally Posted by XelNya

And before you ask