TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)

[DaBackpack]

tokzic [10:04 PM]
where did you hide last night

dabackpack [10:04 PM]
dino den

tokzic [10:05 PM]
THAT'S RIGHT

dabackpack [10:05 PM]
?

​[10:05]
dinos are fuckin awesome

tokzic [10:05 PM]
seering was on you haha

dabackpack [10:05 PM]
lmao

​[10:05]
thx

tokzic [10:07 PM]
alright i have a really hard time imagining red just chilling in an exhibit

​[10:08]
so i'm going to go ahead and say you're 90% town



^^^ convo with Tokzic

[DaBackpack]

there's no way to validate that tokzic knew where I hid

[DaBackpack]

because I fucked up

[Vendetta21]

my only thought is that that is extremely wolfy

[Vendetta21]

tokzic

[Vendetta21]

a couple other things:
1.) tokzic is absent and apparently totally uninterested in what happens this phase, which is weird because he made a plan yesterday, come out as the leader of the human alliance, and wanted to coordinate people's plays.

2.) as xiz pointed out, it was weird for tokzic to not reveal that another hobo had come out to him. he should have announced it as soon as it happened, withholding that information signals he knew that another still needed to come out to him and he was trying to control the situation. revealing that another hobo had come out to him immediately confirms him as a hobo without question and validates the 2nd claim he already has. not confirming this publicly shows either malign intent or a lack of healthy skepticism.

3.) tokzic asked me multiple times to let the hobos have the kidz room but never contacted me directly to request it as he was a hobo, but was fixated on me taking it for a good chunk of day 1 before revealing. he told multiple people in conversations later that it frustrated him, on the premise that "hobos should hold onto their powers for as long as possible" which coincides with a strategy to fakeclaim early when you hope to kill off one hobo before your death. (regardless that it's a premise i don't agree with because it seems counter-intuitive.)

@botchi, did tokzic tell you where to go last night? did you ever ask for the security booth? do you think it would have made more sense last night for tokzic to give you the security booth given that both xiz and tokzic considered your claim geniune?

[Vendetta21]

what brought me to questioning this phase's progression is how similar the progression is towards xiz's death to the progression toward's gradients death yesterday. it feels like everything is coasting. that feels wrong. something is wrong.

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by Vendetta21

what brought me to questioning this phase's progression is how similar the progression is towards xiz's death to the progression toward's gradients death yesterday. it feels like everything is coasting. that feels wrong. something is wrong.

I'm the only one who seems to believe xiz could be human

[Tokzic]

v what am i even reading

Originally Posted by Vendetta21

1.) tokzic is absent and apparently totally uninterested in what happens this phase, which is weird because he made a plan yesterday, come out as the leader of the human alliance, and wanted to coordinate people's plays.

I don't get why you keep trying to make me out like I'm not here. I was playing the game heavily for like 3 hours last night. I've consistently played about that much every day since this game started. That's "absent" to you? You also tried to tell people I was absent the night before on the Slack playing DotA, which for the SECOND TIME was completely untrue.

You might be sensing a lack of passion I often have when playing TWG. I am sleeping poorly, and to be completely honest, in a pretty terrible mental state. You're not entirely off the mark that I'm less interested than usual in the game, but that's not because of the game - that's because I'm less interested in everything than usual.

Originally Posted by Vendetta21

2.) as xiz pointed out, it was weird for tokzic to not reveal that another hobo had come out to him. he should have announced it as soon as it happened, withholding that information signals he knew that another still needed to come out to him and he was trying to control the situation. revealing that another hobo had come out to him immediately confirms him as a hobo without question and validates the 2nd claim he already has. not confirming this publicly shows either malign intent or a lack of healthy skepticism.

This whole case is bunk. I did immediately reveal when I had one extra hobo claim on the table. You apparently need to reread these logs.

1) I came out in the thread.
2) Botchi immediately came out to me in private.
3) Xiz "softed" that he was hobo. I try to ask him if that's what he's doing, but he denies it.

xiz [6:37 PM]
so NOBODY came out to him

​[6:37]
right

tokzic [6:39 PM]
YOU BET!!

​[6:39]
dlgn [6:32 PM]
here's the part where I come clean as soon as possible: I said one had claimed to me in hopes that one finally would take me up on the offer, but none have :disappointed:

​[6:32]
you were on my shortlist for possible HG's, though

​[6:33]
i think I made that clear when I initially messaged you, lmao

xiz [6:40 PM]
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

​[6:40]
well that sucks lol

​[6:40]
i would have been excited if one did

tokzic [6:41 PM]
because you're my hobobro and we would have caught a wolf?

xiz [6:42 PM]
no im a wolf

​[6:42]
i just want to be the lone wolf

4) Several hours later, right before phase end and right as his life is in danger, only then does he finally hardclaim.
5) I immediately make it public that we have too many hobo claims.

Where exactly did I withhold information? Are you seriously arguing that I should have gone public over Xiz's soft claim, when he wouldn't hard even when I asked him to? Because I don't think you are.

And for the record, I did have a dose of healthy skepticism for botchi at first, but it took all of two other chat logs of his with other people to dispel them.

Originally Posted by Vendetta21

3.) tokzic asked me multiple times to let the hobos have the kidz room but never contacted me directly to request it as he was a hobo, but was fixated on me taking it for a good chunk of day 1 before revealing. he told multiple people in conversations later that it frustrated him, on the premise that "hobos should hold onto their powers for as long as possible" which coincides with a strategy to fakeclaim early when you hope to kill off one hobo before your death. (regardless that it's a premise i don't agree with because it seems counter-intuitive.)

Why the fuck should I have to contact you directly? I addressed you directly, repeatedly, in both the thread and the Slack channel, and you blew it off every time. So I gave up and decided I'd just use a bathroom charge instead, since you showed zero signs of changing your plan

Also, this rubbed me the wrong way: You messaged me to let me use the Kidz Zone a few hours before EOD on D1. But you didn't do it on Slack, which I was online on for the last several hours of the phase. You did it on Steam, which I was offline on, specifically because I didn't want to be distracted from the game. And now you're giving me shit for not contacting you?

And how exactly is it counter-intuitive? I'm pretty sure that having two freezeproof hobos in a group of five players is objectively better than having two freezeproof hobos in a group of ten players. But please correct me if I'm wrong.

[rzr]

what is this bull shit -- I'm here and at work so I'll be on all day

[Vendetta21]

no my problem is you didnt reveal when you had two (i.e. when botchi came out to you) and a healthy dose of skepticism at that point would have been to say "another hobo has come out to me" in order to ensure no counterclaims and to trust the botchi claim you had. unless you were still expecting a counterclaim, which if you are faking is much more likely a thing you would do knowing that you would still need one more person to come out to you. sorry that didnt come across clearly.

im spoilering the non-important responses to your specific frustrations with me (?)

also you werent online on slack when i messaged you on steam, and you had been online 3 minutes ago on steam when i sent that message, and by the time you came back online the three hobo situation emerged not too long afterwards, to clarify that situation.

also, on the note of me claiming the kidz room, if i say i'm taking it because i don't trust it to work out otherwise, especially if i don't know you are a hobo and you're saying "i think the hobos should take it", obviously and naturally the only way to dispel me from that is to communicate with my directly that "i am a hobo and i want the kidz room", because my logic has been straightforward that "i dont trust anything to work unless we make it work"

secondly, the way you cleared DBP was fucking SKETCH AS HELL BROTHA

[rzr]

[quote=YoshL;4382158]5 -- Xiz -- Charu (12), dLGN (24), Tokzic (10), Vendetta21 (75), botchi246 (2)[ /QUOTE]

First thing I want to mention is there is no doubt in my mind there is at least 1 wolf on this train. But I will come back to this.

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

Rzrwhy are you on storn

No clue and I don't feel like finding the post lol, I think it had something to do with him being MIA a lot and not talking to him in PMs yet, but I don't remember fully - I also know that since then he has talked and I don't suspect storn at this time, he's 60% human 40% wolf in my book atm.

[Vendetta21]

like i am voting for you for that conversation with DBP alone

[rzr]

Originally Posted by YoshL

6 -- Gradiant -- Xiz (80), dLGN (137), DaBackpack (82), roundbox (17), XelNya (96), storn42 (18)

Originally Posted by YoshL

5 -- Xiz -- Charu (12), dLGN (24), Tokzic (10), Vendetta21 (75), botchi246 (2)

Hmmm. Just thinking about this

[Vendetta21]

let's talk about that, tokzic....

if you seered DBP in the dino room, and there's absolutely no fathomable reason for DBP to lie about that since he was in a human place, why did you chose to ask him where he was before telling him you seered him?

[Vendetta21]

doesn't it make more sense to say "you were in the dino room last night, i seered you" to prove that you had in fact seered him? can you see why the way you did it looks like a way of faking that you seered him because you weren't in that room?

[Vendetta21]

Originally Posted by rzr

Hmmm. Just thinking about this

its not very important until someone is dead

[Vendetta21]

Originally Posted by Vendetta21

doesn't it make more sense to say "you were in the dino room last night, i seered you" to prove that you had in fact seered him? can you see why the way you did it looks like a way of faking that you seered him because you weren't in that room?

it seems insanely careless, reckless even, to do that as a real hobo, because it means you didn't care about proving your humanity to us when there's a fakeclaim

[Vendetta21]

assuming there's a 3 hour time difference between my current board server time and DBP's slack server time, tokzic literally did this before posting, rather than posting first publicly in the thread... literally MINUTES BEFORE, as though he needed to get a seer target before he could post... it just does not make sense to my why he wouldn't post it first rather than seek out this information from dabackpack before he posted in any human scenario

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

tokzic [10:04 PM]
where did you hide last night

dabackpack [10:04 PM]
dino den

tokzic [10:05 PM]
THAT'S RIGHT

dabackpack [10:05 PM]
?

​[10:05]
dinos are fuckin awesome

tokzic [10:05 PM]
seering was on you haha

dabackpack [10:05 PM]
lmao

​[10:05]
thx

tokzic [10:07 PM]
alright i have a really hard time imagining red just chilling in an exhibit

​[10:08]
so i'm going to go ahead and say you're 90% town



^^^ convo with Tokzic

[rzr]

On the contrary, you don't think there is scum on that train so far?