some index things

[PolygonEater]

Originally Posted by choof

since when did I need to play a style to tell if someone's judge windows are screwed up lmao


I already stated why I'm pretty sure he's bs and he hasn't done anything to change my stance

As far as I can tell from his videos, there is no blatant ini hacking. That is, there is no proof he has at least 1 frame or more increased judgement window. Feel free to go on his youtube, download the 60fps videos, and find proof with a timestamp though. You can do the math, you have the judgement windows he's supposedly using on the video.

The argument of playstyle is that you seem to be specifically claiming Blue Planet 1.2 is a bs score. It only takes 10% of a speed increase to get dunked on index when you're trying to go faster than you really can. However you don't seem to weigh Etienne's opinion on the matter very heavily despite him being able to index quite well.

[DossarLX ODI]

To get an idea on how much of a difference rates make on index vs. spread I'll put this down:

Index
X Soldier Storm 1.0 rate (260 BPM) - AAA, 30 perfects
X Soldier Storm 1.1 rate (286 BPM) - Mid A
X Soldier Storm 1.2 rate (312 BPM) - Low B (barely passing)

Spread
Disregard 1.0 rate (300 BPM) - Blackflag
Disregard 1.1 rate (330 BPM) - 12g 1 cb
Disregard 1.2 rate (360 BPM) - 41g 5 cbs
Disregard 1.3 rate (390 BPM) - Anywhere from high 40's to low 70's greats, at least 10 cbs

On spread you can still AA a file on 1.2 rate depending on if the patterns are spread out well enough, etc. on index however this isn't the case. A song that is 294 BPM increased by 0.1 rate is a ~30 BPM increase, which is tremendous as you don't have the leeway on index that spread gives you if you aren't fast enough or can't contain the speed for long.

[Staiain]

Originally Posted by lurker

i've been on the verge of quitting for the past few weeks because some fuckface follower of yours keeps harassing me so uh, fuck you
(note: someone challenged me on how legit this was so i edited for honesty)

I don't like that you're giving me blame for this, I can't control what others say outside my chat, I literally encourage people to be nice and enjoy the game in my stream and this isn't something that I had anything to do with

[choof]

Originally Posted by DossarLX ODI

To get an idea on how much of a difference rates make on index vs. spread I'll put this down:

Index
X Soldier Storm 1.0 rate (260 BPM) - AAA, 30 perfects
X Soldier Storm 1.1 rate (286 BPM) - Mid A
X Soldier Storm 1.2 rate (312 BPM) - Low B (barely passing)

Spread
Disregard 1.0 rate (300 BPM) - Blackflag
Disregard 1.1 rate (330 BPM) - 12g 1 cb
Disregard 1.2 rate (360 BPM) - 41g 5 cbs
Disregard 1.3 rate (390 BPM) - Anywhere from high 40's to low 70's greats, at least 10 cbs

On spread you can still AA a file on 1.2 rate depending on if the patterns are spread out well enough, etc. on index however this isn't the case. A song that is 294 BPM increased by 0.1 rate is a ~30 BPM increase, which is tremendous as you don't have the leeway on index that spread gives you if you aren't fast enough or can't contain the speed for long.

you were bs at one point too breh, don't get too excited about defending someone else who is also bs

tosh and I talked on skype about score discrepancies. I'll concede that point, but the issue remains that he's still bsing scores using ini and judge changes

[choof]

Originally Posted by PolygonEater

As far as I can tell from his videos, there is no blatant ini hacking. That is, there is no proof he has at least 1 frame or more increased judgement window. Feel free to go on his youtube, download the 60fps videos, and find proof with a timestamp though. You can do the math, you have the judgement windows he's supposedly using on the video.

I already did this
the screenshot that hayden posted in the other thread was actually my screenshot

I find it really fucking suspect that after getting called out, he plays a bunch of shit on another version of stepmania and does not show judge

the blue planet 1.1 quad was on sm5
the scores in this thread are on a sm 3.9 fork

the theme that he uses in sm5 shows judge/life in-game
I don't think there has ever been an sm3.9 theme that does the same thing
which means he is safe to show ini and post videos with his 3.9 build

the only way I would say that he's not bs is if he posts a video of his ini and judge of sm5, or his ini and judge of sm3.9, and then proceeds to get a score roughly equivalent to a quad on blue planet 1.1

otherwise, the evidence I found in his last video, paired with the blatant refusal to show anything compelling in these vids, makes him out to be faking scores

[AlexDest]

stepmania

[Tyson ultima]

If he is fake then let him do his thing stop being autistic over a 4key rhythm game. He tried to prove his legitimacy, but some of you are looking like straight spergs right now.

[Contrapasso]

ur right man I gotta keep my autism in check
vertex ur'e legit and i'm legit
we're both legit players of a game that approximately 10 ppl play

[-Tim-]

quote me if u think ur legit

[GammaBlaster]

This thread makes me glad I left FFR, jesus christ. Shoutouts to---

oh

[Guilhermeziat]

Ok so as far as I know vertex went back to 3.9 before you guys called him out so idk what choof's talking about when he says vertex switched as soon as they called him out.
Also, a reasonable ammount of things are in vertex's favor, such as:
-Improvement curve makes sense
-Reasonably high cmod on overhead (doesn't mean an off arrow is obviously a perfect, look at stian getting greats offscreen due to his cmod as an example)
-Index's combo breaking point is very close to its MA breaking point, when talking about speed and stamina (index player aswell here). Index is about brute force especially on these kinds of files with no crossovers whatsoever.
-Showed ini (again) to prove himself on the stepmania version that was relevant to him at the period he got called out. Calling him out again for not showing ini for his other stepmania is pretty nonsensical, because now even if he had cheated his blue planet quad he now has a 2p on epic manner so ?_? no reason to even try to cheat a quad lol

Just throwing out what I think about this. Keep rocking vertex (Y)

[DossarLX ODI]

Originally Posted by choof

you were bs at one point too breh, don't get too excited about defending someone else who is also bs

Don't act like you never made a mistake in your life. The way you're going about this is the complete opposite of what you should be doing.

The tone of your posts are making you want VerTex to be a cheater and you're giving him an unnecessarily hard time instead of actually helping him through the process. If anything, you're the one being excited over throwing insults at everyone here. Stop being toxic and actually provide him some guidance if you're questioning his scores.

On that note: I'm going to start handing out infractions if this kind of behavior continues, and that applies to everyone.

[choof]

Originally Posted by DossarLX ODI

The tone of your posts are making you want VerTex to be a cheater and you're giving him an unnecessarily hard time instead of actually helping him through the process. If anything, you're the one being excited over throwing insults at everyone here. Stop being toxic and actually provide him some guidance if you're questioning his scores.

okay here are posts that explain how I want vertex to show he's not bs

make a video where in show ini of your sm5 build, then start sm5 from program folder, then play blue planet 1.1 again

On that note: I'm going to start handing out infractions if this kind of behavior continues, and that applies to everyone.

woah, handing out infractions for people calling out a bser for bsing scores?! it's like you're compensating for something !!

[choof]

whatever
I ultimately don't care
if a dude is posting bs scores for a depreciated play style then go for it
it'd be great if he posted "THESE ARE FAKE LOL" for every video he makes

but oh well, I'm done

[top]

my favorite part out of all call-outs is when you really think about it, showing the proper proof is SO EASY. takes like 5 minutes. always just gets me when the cheater neglects to perform a simple task but omg did insane

[Tyson ultima]

Originally Posted by choof

whatever
I ultimately don't care

This is more BS than anything in this thread. You even lie about Vegas having a voltex machine in order to prove a point.

[nub juice]

If the friggin guy isnt BS then he needs to make another friggin video of the song that the friggin BS call is about. If he cant do it with a legit vid thdn hes a friggin cheater. Itsnot friggin rocket sciencr

[justaguy]

Originally Posted by DossarLX ODI

On that note: I'm going to start handing out infractions if this kind of behavior continues, and that applies to everyone.

Small son detected

[lurker]

Originally Posted by DossarLX ODI

On that note: I'm going to start handing out infractions if this kind of behavior continues, and that applies to everyone.

i for one am thrilled that posting screenshots will now be a bannable offense

[Guilhermeziat]

It's funny because vertex has proven he is legit twice now iirc. Amazing how people that were around on the first situation magically have amnesia and still call him out now lol.