TWG CXXXIII: Gotta Lynch 'em All! GAME THREAD ROUND 2 CAUSE YOU ASSES

[roundbox]

Wow all that work on vote analysis and it feels like I got bottom paged

[choof]

phone posts

[storn42]

Originally Posted by choof

welcome to the whole "plops weird" party, storn, enjoi ure stay

let's lynch psychoangel today, if she's green then I think plop is our next best target

plop flipping red spew clears ck as town

i'd rather lynch plop today but i dont think i have a problem with using our first lynch on psycho and then plop. let me go read some of psycho's posts.

[Vendetta21]

Originally Posted by choof

oh sick we replaced a dude who forvot about the game witj a dude who will have more posts than me by endgam

Halfway done reading the thread and holy shit is my notepad getting fucking large. Will probably be done by 3PM, god damn do we love to type here man.

[blindreper1179]

Shit, Monday then. Sorry for that!

[storn42]

Originally Posted by MrPopadopalis25

Look at this indecisiveness! Says he wants to lynch plop, but then DEATHLY avoids voting for him? Mayhaps he's protecting his partner?

you sound so butt hurt.

[benguino]

Derp, I've been busy these past few days with some irl things, sorry guys >.< Anyways, I have to head out of the house but I promise I'll be back on tonight, catch up on the thread, and have something to say.

[benguino]

Oh, and I bought this now bag of coffee beans. It supposedly won an award for best local coffee in the state so I'm expecting it to be uber-delicious. With that said, I'll be sure to brew a pot tonight and not-sleep if I have to in order to catch up on everything.

[benguino]

In the meantime, here's an image to remember me by:

[Vendetta21]

okay i finished Day one I will start analysis from Cold Kitten's long ass night post and forward a bit later, and then i'll start yelling at you guys

TWG 133
4 wolves

Day 1
Choof post #110, feigning frustration?
Choof day 1: "everyone is a wolf"
Choof joking amidst getting flippant with people for not meeting his expectations
Choof #257 - struggle to understand his presence of mind here
Choof #261 - wtf? Policy lynch on inactive player? Maybe choof is feeling an unwarranted sense of confidence right now or something because this post is unequivocally stupid regardless of role.
Choof #262 - fishing for shit on a pointless white noisy inconsistency that is solely a function of bad writing style. Function of Stupid? Or function of detachment from the hunting mindset?
**review choof's posts-per-day rate in his wolf games, particularly day 1**
#272 - more stupid ideas
#343 - this post feels like a fucking three point shot from downtown. Currently decided that choof makes bad off the cuff judgments but will make good judgments when he long-posts, town lean.
#471 - review this stupid fucking choof post if you ever start reading him wolf again
#521 - why is the dude who championed the DBP vote swapping over to cold kitten? After previously entertaining the idea of a policy lynch on another inactive? Stupid, schizophrenic, or malign?
#533 - end of day death push on CK, and while it feels a little uninspired but there's something i admire about someone who constantly changes their mind but goes strong trying to lead at the end of phase. even if i think there are better lynches than CK, i think this play is pretty human.
#575-#580 - if you can believe this, i'm almost starting feel like I'm becoming too mean by writing down the post numbers of retarded choof posts i intend to review again later. these ones are drawing BROAD AND CONCLUSIVE RELATIONSHIPS based on how DBP would flip, and they are quite a stretch for day 1. either choof is getting nervous or he REALLY BELIEVES he's god's gift to scumhunting.
#623 - your weird and erratic paranoia is doing God's work choof. I have never felt more town about you than this moment.

Jub post #108. Obvious town.
Jub #211 is very odd sounding on tone.
Jub #213 establish authority with an "insider" meta read on curry that people would have a lot of trouble verifying. No effort to make clear what the specifics of the meta read are, point-blank authority swagging.
Jub #228 - consider a bias you once had against BDN for his writing style with this post
Jub #242 - following a vocalized wagon with weak support AND as a preference over another voiced lynched candidate. Inconsistencies are beginning to accumulate. **calculate time of this response against the response to 'gun to the head' question and decide if that's enough time for someone to solidify their opinion**
Jub #416 - just a really fucking bad post, scummy

Thesunfan #152: voting on a cliche style trope
#155- does Sunfan ever clarify what juber shouldn't have said as town? Possibly the hypnosis comment?
#226 - this just feels like it's coming from an inconsistent thought process surrounding storn. And not inconsistent because of an acceptable degree of uncertainty.
#234 - this post reads a little bit as baiting, and on what the snapshot of thread momentum at the time would have likely indicated to a wolf as an easy potential mislynch
#450 - "Red is probably town as well" ......uhhh he has done almost no scumhunting and has posted a useless reads list? What the hell is this read based on? Tone? Meta? A fortune cookie? Don't get me wrong the votes on him indicate mislynch most of the time (distancing the rest of the time) but this is a useless post letting a bad player skate by without contributing.
#499 - remarkably cogent insight into Curry's reads list, noting that a wolf probably wouldn't have just two townreads at this point in the game. i'm not sure exactly how much i agree with that, but it's a good insight that at least shows an attempt to enter Curry's presence of mind.

Funnygirl #195 - pops in for a short post while "busy" with reads I find suspiciously on point to my own conclusions. / Weak lean, she continued to participate.
#219 - this seems consistent given her level of commitment and sunfan's actions
Funny #508-#511 - for her level of contribution and the stage the phase has reached, these posts are just shitty white noise. i feel like i've had a bad bias against funny in the past so reminder to keep an eye out any future posts from her this phase.

Charu #224, town lean
Charu #387 - gives interpretation of curry as behaving oppourtunistically that I can clearly perceive as true 50-60 out of 100 times
Charu #392 - charu correctly illuminates something odd stated by Reuben tate

Cold Kitten #254 town lean
CK #512,513 - This post but don't contribute because you're busy shit is frustrating. At least throw out a gut instinct vote.

Curry #259 - makes a partnership connection on Day 1. This a probably a town thing to do, but also a fucking stupid thing to do. indicates he is probably pretty shitty at this game. weigh his perspective very lightly for now.
Curry #415 - wants to lynch jub for information but is tonally complacent. Says information would be especially useful to him but doesn't say how. Defends against Charu's interpretation by brushing it off. Undecided on if this is just a function of being a shitty player.
Curry #483 - a decent reads list because it gives a sense of his presence of mind. his reads don't seem too terribly far away from thoughts i might put down at this point if i were fresh to this community, but his categories of scummy players aren't quite what i'd have. i like it a lot though.

Roundbox #295 - town.
Roundbox #616 - roundbox reads list. Nothing in his read's list is bad, but it's also nothing that indicates he is thinking outside of whatever the current thread momentum is. Very milquetoast. moved to null read.

Reuben #310 - good post. Town lean.

JTeh #313 - Perception of charu as "subdued" was not something I noticed but rings true on reflection. Do not remember this being stated elsewhere beforehand, need to check. If it wasn't stated, town for now.
JTeh #561 - While I disagree wholeheartedly with his charu vote, this post shows a lot of thought and I like to see posts like that. I think his reads are shit but it's apparent in the post that he is skimming the thread and recalling from memory. I, do, however agree with his thought process on jubert, so for now that's enough for a a good town lean but clearly this person is also capable of being a wolf team leader (inquiries into statistical thinking, paying attention to broader factors going on in the game rather than just focusing on minor gotcha's of semantics and hypocrisy, conveys his ideas clearly) so revisit later if necessary because he has shown no strong instances of scumhunting yet.

Storn #314 - transitioned to a more defensive playstyle. Altering his behavior to fit in better. While this post reads earnestly it is a tone-shift on day 1 when he shouldn't be that worried about what people think. Compare to the tone of early joke posts. A shift like this is strong indicator of wolfhood. Strong wolf lean.
Storn #334-336 - frenetic undertones
Storn #437 - this post reeeeaalllly seems like it is making a latent assumption that jub is town. I can see it in another light, but rarely.
Storn #524 - this reads list is crap. It has 5 fucking wolf reads and also miraculously has 2 green reads after curry got complimented for his list having that feature. What makes his wolf reads crap is that he has almost entirely picked quiet low value targets that don't have a lot of credibility and doesn't give any sort of clarity as to which ones are more or less wolfy or that he finds more or less suspicious. If he's a human what he's saying is "wolves, fucking lynch anyone and I'll follow" and if he's a wolf he's just playing the spread by calling people who aren't participating heavily wolves, but on enough of them that no one feels too compelled to fight back. normally i wouldn't be this hard on a read's list (see my comments on red blaster's reads) but these are coming from the dude who wanted to MAKE A SPREADSHEET TO TRACK INDIVIDUAL POSTS and who keeps talking about his fucking out of game notes and shit. AND THEY SAY NOTHING!
#695 - Red Blaster appropriately called Storn counting the remaining roles left 7 or so minutes after flip scummy. Because that is extremely scummy. Not quite for why Red thought, but sometimes we sense the same phenomenon and articulate it differently. Presence of mind was not thinking about what the flips indicated about who were possible wolves, but was instead probably thinking about how many more phases would be left in the game. Every wolf, even new ones, plan their phases out to some degree.

Red Blaster #321 - good eye on Jub's twice stated defense of Curry
Red Blaster #447 - "i don't know if jub is town or wolf. I'm willing to let him pass on into D2, but I'd also lynch him for information." What the fuck is this lynch for information fetish people have on day 1? It's like the weakest reasoning ever. Writes a reads list this says almost nothing. Let me check that again... yeah his reads list doesn't say fucking anything. Sure glad you were able to clarify your thoughts for us, RB.
Red Blaster #516 - a bunch of white noise posts that lead into a naked vote for DBP.

Plop #332 - Agree with his read on storn even if he missed one of his more important posts. Nothing strikes a particular dischord with me, but nothing mindmelds either. Strange that he wavers on CK but doesn't waver on storn but chooses to vote for CK.
Plop #355 - do not like the use of "information giving lynch" defense of dbp in this scenario, can sometimes see how he might be attached to his own lynch candidates
Plop #360 - wildly inconsistent and oppourtunistic
Note a tone shift from plop after DBP is on the block
Plop #573 - Where did this thought come from? Like I can kinda see it, but I would like to see plop articulate why that thought popped into his head. (What if DBP was takedown wolf). The discussion that follows among Storn, Choof, Plop has a really strange pacing and I'm not entirely following how people entered that state of mind. Someone explain.
Plop #725 - people bussing DBP are not exempt from scrutiny, you should fucking know this you've been a wolf with me multiple times.

Blindreper #424 - vote count shows red blaster with three current votes I don't really understand. Indicator of mislynch. Funny, psycho, jub.

Psycho #531 - "my day 1 is always shit"... yeah that's true and no matter how much i insult her she won't budge on this behavior.

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by MrPopadopalis25

Has sunfan ever made a big analysis post like that in any previous games? This seems relatively out of character for him.

Did it a lot when I was newer (102-110) and did it for the first time since then in the 2+2 game and I liked it.

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by roundbox

Wow all that work on vote analysis and it feels like I got bottom paged

it was a really good post.

[Cold Kitten]

lol plop you're so defensive

Hi guys I'm on my break @ work

[thesunfan]

the thing I voted for jub for was the line "what do you want from me" which I now realize I read out of context.

@V you really think storn is a good candidate for a wolf? Look at his vote on DBP as well as the timing if you haven't.

[Jtehanonymous]

I'm off to the movies tonight. When I come back though I'll addressing a few things I've read and throwing out some thoughts between playing FFR.

[Vendetta21]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

the thing I voted for jub for was the line "what do you want from me" which I now realize I read out of context.

@V you really think storn is a good candidate for a wolf? Look at his vote on DBP as well as the timing if you haven't.

I did, after he voted DBP he started floating CK as an idea immediately afterwards. If I were a wolf I would bus takedown wolf handily, you get to trade a wolf, and you're at 3/13 (better than standard wolf to human distribution at the beginning of a lot of games.)

You're looking for DBP's flip to exonerate people, and in this instance I would never, ever follow that train of logic.

[Vendetta21]

If you gave me a takedown wolf and I was leading a wolf team, we would fucking leverage that into the ground in whatever way possible. About 20 people have played wolf with me now so I'm not even going to pretend to entertain the idea that I'm the only wolf who busses team mates anymore.

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

the thing I voted for jub for was the line "what do you want from me" which I now realize I read out of context.

@V you really think storn is a good candidate for a wolf? Look at his vote on DBP as well as the timing if you haven't.

Wanted to wait for V to reply before cutting in:
Storn is the only voter on DBP that I considered possibly a wolf in my vote analysis post.

[Vendetta21]

Look, I haven't finished reading the thread yet, but I have 95% or more confidence on my judgement from what I've seen.

[Vendetta21]

storn42

Let's tango, bud.