TWG CXXXII - Game (Thread) of Chimps

[j-rodd123]

i think i may need to only sign up for jtwg's from now on if this is what i get for signing up

last game the site wouldnt load so i can put it past everyone, but what can we do here

n0 plop v

[blindreper1179]

Also, sunfan, post your "so much you need to say" in the post jtwg game plz.

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

I'll pretend plop is town for today.
I have no solid wolfreads.
Cya in 10 hours.

:/

Originally Posted by MrPopadopalis25

Remember when Red first started playing and he wasn't acquainted with the TWG nuances yet and everybody would always lynch him because he would unknowingly say and do scummy things? I don't know what to make of Zenith yet so I don't want to say that that's the case with him now, but I do think that some of your points against him could be a result of that.

Blind did this a lot too, but people would let him pass it's like ahhhhhhhhhh.

To be frank like I said, Zenith can do better. If he's smart enough to take silly gambles and make it pay off, he's obviously smart enough to not play town like trash.

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

Oh, my two gut wolf leans since someone asked is Manti/Fiction. Purely gut but I have my eyes on them as wolf leans for the time being.

That was me. Dunno why you don't just have a null read on manti though, considering you have nothing but AFKing to base that off of if my memory if correct. (Probably isn't.)

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

I feel like Xel is town and has a slight grudge for my play in the last jTWG. My early posts were low quality and he has every right to nitpick them because I stated about reading white noise and not able to care enough about it.

If I did, it's not really relevant. There's a solid point in what I'm saying, and it's not like you're making a real effort to change it either.

[_Zenith_]

Okay so EoD is tonight and I'm on a computer now so here is my reads list thus far. Please note that this list is going to explicitly answer any post I quote.

1. Xelnya - Null, wolf lean

Earlier, I had a slight town read on him but the further I look into this quote, the more I second guess myself.

Originally Posted by XelNya

Anyways onto a real post I guess.



O.o'



Let's talk about this some more, and get it out of the way, because it's not a horrible place to start.

Because what was posted wasn't really anything of substance by the time he did show up.

Assuming I didn't fuck it up these are in reverse order of when they were posted.

Correction, irrelevant.



1) In my honest opinion, you should be careful mostly of players like jrodd for this, and not so much Greggles. Greggles tends to be pretty vanilla when he's town, if he starts playing less than just really vanilla best of town's interest, then you should be worried. I recall a game where jrodd had town literally wrapped around his finger as wolf. It's terrifying.

Mostly a filler / fluffy post though.



A DECENT POST.

2) A bit of elaboration would have been nice though.

3) Especially on who your gut read of who the wolves were. That's usually fuckin' helpful.



The first half of this post is so irrelevant I spared you and removed it.

But either way:

4) You usually come in, play like shit, cave under any amount of decent pressure, or make hilariously silly trades as a wolf that should wait for day two or three, because you actually have no fucking clue what you're doing. You rely on definition stupidity to get by.

You eventually die, and do something stupid either before you die, which is what gets you killed, or afterwards, which gets you banned.

You wanna see thrashing and bashing, go read some of my old SOTW posts, compared to that you're maybe as good as the old penny I saw on the ground at work and left there.

Because you know, it's useless.



We know. Trust me on this if nothing else this game.

Another corrective irrelevant post.



This post rapes my retinas.



5) So you didn't actually read, probably just skimmed, because there's some non existent white noise, such as the back and forth between jrodd and Greggles, to comment on.

6) Dunno why you mention not being the cop here top of it. Really weird.



Only real white noise here is you.

7) tldr: There's more filler than anything worth while here. There's a gut read that's half assed here, and feels really blend-y to me compared to say the back and forth between greggles and jrodd.

Zenith, even you can do better than this.

1) It is Day 0, and it is what I interpreted. From your reaction to that, you seem more nervous about Jrodd than I am; granted that I have my own doubts about him.

2) I believe I answered this section with an earlier post; refer to that.

3) Likewise to above, plop asked me the same question.

4) I understand the frustration of being an experienced player looking at a player of my capability and cringe painfully, which is why you said you would laugh. I'm just trying new approaches with each new game because obviously the first few approaches didn't work well if at all.

5) Once again, I believe I mention the trade between sunfan and jrodd and said my words about them in an earlier post.

6) Sigh, yet again explaining one more time that it is not beneficial to me to claim cop in this game because I'm not the cop unless I am trying to draw fire away from the actual cop so he could live another day. Though now most likely, I've lost credibility if I try to do such an action.

7) After reading this list, what will be your thoughts?

2. Manti - Null, gut wolf lean.

One post cmon bro get with the program.


3. Dabackpack - Null

3 Posts to read off of, and only one intruding sentence that would catch the eye. "like it's not bad if I say that I got a seer on blind". Caught my eye, to say the least.

4. Fiction - Null

Again, 3 posts and they have no quality.

5. sunfan - Wolf

Rereading all of his posts and hmm. This is a strong lean for me because of these posts:

Originally Posted by thesunfan

tibs is green idk if this is good or bad

Originally Posted by thesunfan

cuz im the cop

He mentions my fakeclaims and then does a neutral claim that I'm actually reading more wolf than VT or actual cop would do at that point of the phase.

Originally Posted by thesunfan

ok I lied.
you don't know how this setup works if you think its bad. Either way I may or may not be the cop and I may or may not have a check on Tibs. Anyways, by pushing against people that are claiming instead of also claiming, you make it more and more apparent who the real cop is to the wolves. Its a worse version of openly admitting to be vanilla town, in a weird inverse way.

Normally, its not good. I'm not saying its the best thing to do in all setups. It works in this setup, and it works well. Based on who gets wolved, we can end up with a pseudo confirmed town since it seems most likely that the wolves will be cop-hunting till we lose the cop. If the wolves try and do something fancy, it will become readily apparent over time. This is the optimal play.

You need to think about the setup if you think otherwise.

Yet another mention of neutral claiming/talking about the cop role. I can see him fishing real cop to eliminate them early on.

Originally Posted by thesunfan

either way I'm town so w/e

Note change in attitude and backpeddling from the duel with jrodd.

Rest of the posts seem odd, as if flustered even before the pressure began and it just carried through the rest of his posts.


6. roundbox - Town

Noticing the sunfan v jrodd situation, he throws reads about certain players while also mentioning sunfan possibly claiming cop, he draws the train of logic to fiction. Maybe the right or wrong move.

7. plopadop - Town

This is a whole different attitude that plop brought into TWG 131 when he was a wolf. His posts have a strong exposure of wanting town to start getting started with their reads and moving to a consensual lynch today while also getting his own reads/reactions.

8. Tibs - Null

3 posts and they are all about the cop situation. Disappears after mentioning TWG 131.

9. j-rodd - Null, slight wolf lean.

I have the strongest feeling the whole situation between him and sunfan is a W/V discussion, as mentioning earlier about sunfan being my strongest wolf read. At the end of it all, he tunnels onto sunfan without hesitation as if he is sure sunfan is a wolf. In the event however sunfan flips VT or Cop, jrodd is nearly 95% wolf.

10. blind - Null, town lean.

Null because of first post claiming cop (obviously not serious but still worth noting). Town lean because he quickly shown his suspicion towards manti/fiction.

11. Red Blaster - Null, possible w/v with funny.

Originally Posted by Red Blaster

Please don't lynch me
I'm not a wolf this game!

Thoughts on the game so far:

There's potential for there to be a w/v situation with jrodd and sunfan, but I couldn't tell you who would be who..I'd be inclined to say it could go either way. I also wouldn't put it past them to bus each other like that out of the gates if they were both wolves.

Roundbox, tibs and fic I have no idea how to read. I'm getting a towny vibe from roundbox but nothing really from tibs or fic yet. Manti is also someone who rarely ever gets much activity in on d0 so same to him.

Plop is being plop. I like what I've seen in terms of him generating content and discussion so I'm giving him a pretty solid human lean until I see reason not to. To a slightly lesser extent I'm liking Xel so far as well.

Everyone else is pretty meh at this point. Fg and dbp haven't said much and Zenith's posting style reads either way to me.

These are his reads, along with a lot of white noise and banter with funny that draw attention to a possible w/v between them, even though I mentioned them strongly being V/V; reading the post history tells something else.

Interesting first sentence to start the list. Hardclaiming Town? He doesn't have definitive reads on most of the players and seems to just be coasting at this point.

12. Funnygirl - Null, possible w/v with Red B.

Mentions thoughts on some reads of players, but isn't giving any reads D0 because she explicitly states being absent for EoD. Don't have much to say after that, but safely null until tomorrow

[Funnygurl555]

zenith

[j-rodd123]

zenith

will prob vote red, or sunfan

or a low poster because i dont really care anymore. is it that hard to play a little if you sign up, come the fuck on

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by MrPopadopalis25

If zenith is scum I'd consider funny being one of his partners.

Did that reads list really make people suspect me? Guess I must be doing something wrong then.

I was going to suggest lynching in the W/V situations because it would provide a bit of information but if town thinks I'm scum then go ahead, lynch me.

Can anyone elaborate on the votes against me?

[j-rodd123]

ya your reads dont really make much sense.....

[Funnygurl555]

i'm just annoyed that you picked out something out of nothing on your read on me and thought it was weird that you changed your opinion on me + rb because you got flak for your older opinion

[j-rodd123]

red blaster

[j-rodd123]

Originally Posted by MrPopadopalis25

??

i peeked you villager

[_Zenith_]

Whatever then, to each their own. I'm voting my best wolf lean which would be sunfan.

[j-rodd123]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

Okay so EoD is tonight and I'm on a computer now so here is my reads list thus far. Please note that this list is going to explicitly answer any post I quote.


2. Manti - Null, gut wolf lean.

One post cmon bro get with the program.

Wolf lean for one post? Maybe i'd be fine with that but it doesn't make too much sense with your reads on other inactives

3. Dabackpack - Null

3 Posts to read off of, and only one intruding sentence that would catch the eye. "like it's not bad if I say that I got a seer on blind". Caught my eye, to say the least.

I don't get this, why did it catch your eye and why is it still null?


4. Fiction - Null

Again, 3 posts and they have no quality.

Compare it to the 0 effort last game. How can manti have a slight wolf lean but this remains null? Doesn't make sense to me


6. roundbox - Town

Noticing the sunfan v jrodd situation, he throws reads about certain players while also mentioning sunfan possibly claiming cop, he draws the train of logic to fiction. Maybe the right or wrong move.

What reads did he give? He was absolutely in commentary mode. I threw a town lean pretty lightly on him, but in your ranking system to have him as town and not "null, town" at the very best doesn't make sense

8. Tibs - Null

3 posts and they are all about the cop situation. Disappears after mentioning TWG 131.

A legit null read here, see the conclusion matches your reasoning

9. j-rodd - Null, slight wolf lean.

I have the strongest feeling the whole situation between him and sunfan is a W/V discussion, as mentioning earlier about sunfan being my strongest wolf read. At the end of it all, he tunnels onto sunfan without hesitation as if he is sure sunfan is a wolf. In the event however sunfan flips VT or Cop, jrodd is nearly 95% wolf.

This is pretty ridiculous, 95% made me laugh. If sunfan is a villager then I made a wrong read. You have him as a wolf too, I can just as easily say you're hedging your bets calling him a wolf and immediately setting up a next lynch on me if you're a wolf. It is fine to say a situation is w/v, but why is that never v/v? I'm rescinding a little bit, Id still kill sunfan for sure but two passionate meta-wise people arguing in the midst of a dead thread does not sound like something i'd be so confident as w/v

10. blind - Null, town lean.

Null because of first post claiming cop (obviously not serious but still worth noting). Town lean because he quickly shown his suspicion towards manti/fiction.

Just don't understand the logic here. Whatever, it's fine

11. Red Blaster - Null, possible w/v with funny.

These are his reads, along with a lot of white noise and banter with funny that draw attention to a possible w/v between them, even though I mentioned them strongly being V/V; reading the post history tells something else.

Interesting first sentence to start the list. Hardclaiming Town? He doesn't have definitive reads on most of the players and seems to just be coasting at this point.

12. Funnygirl - Null, possible w/v with Red B.

Mentions thoughts on some reads of players, but isn't giving any reads D0 because she explicitly states being absent for EoD. Don't have much to say after that, but safely null until tomorrow

Making weird connections again

OK zenith i just mentioned some weird inconsistencies in the post I quoted. I feel like either a) you're trying to hard as a wolf to fake reads and appear as town early on, or b) you're town and are actually trying but your logic is really non existent

i guess im saying im not as confident that you're a wolf when i analyze this post, so i guess i'll keep my vote off you for today. some weird stuff though and you did make some anti-town plays earlier

[_Zenith_]

I'm just having an off day; can't think straight as you can tell but I still want to lynch in the possible W/V situations.

[j-rodd123]

sunfan

im not lynching plop, prob wont lynch zenith now, feel like tibs is probably the most villagery of the inactives (super weak but w.e)

[j-rodd123]

ill probably end up moving my vote, ill be rereading this non existence of a d1 after lynch in my game on 2+2

[j-rodd123]

blind

[blindreper1179]

Ouch j, that hurt. ;_;

[blindreper1179]

On a real note, manti until he at least says something worthwhile.

[j-rodd123]

hey you said something

you're not as enthusiastic this game, what's up with that?