02-25-2015, 03:02 PM | #161 |
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Re: Skill Rating & Leaderboards Discussion [Updated Feb 17]
For years. I don't think I've ever asked this before; is there some technical reason that combo scoring is still a thing (that is, beyond a better replacement than raw score, and the computational load of calculating it) or is it just "it's always been done this way" or an argument along those lines (not trying to strawman you guys, just talking about inertia)?
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Re: Skill Rating & Leaderboards Discussion [Updated Feb 17]
So I must be a broken record because I'm sure other people have stated this earlier; Will there be a change to how certain scores are easier to get points in compared to others?
Currently my Skill rating is artificially boosted by short songs with high difficulty that has relatively easy patterns for 90% of the song and a small spike of hard notes that can be done in under 20 goods. #1 63 party 4u "holy nite mix" v2 53.639 653 13 0 0 0 #2 56 ABCDEath 50.630 375 8 0 0 2
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Re: Skill Rating & Leaderboards Discussion [Updated Feb 17]
I got a new AAA and my skill rating dropped down a few points, I may be confused about how this works but shouldn't it only go up if that happens?
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02-27-2015, 04:11 AM | #164 |
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Re: Skill Rating & Leaderboards Discussion [Updated Feb 17]
A few people probably got better scores than you. I watched my rank go up by 2 points just reading this thread.
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Lol my skill level is based off of other players?
That seems inaccurate as fuck.
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Re: Skill Rating & Leaderboards Discussion [Updated Feb 17]
you are ranked by your skill, but you have your own stats. relax.
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a. other people surpassed you in the meantime b. something in your top 4 got difficulty nerfed. and it's silly that only 4 scores determine your FFR rank, but alas...
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Re: Skill Rating & Leaderboards Discussion [Updated Feb 17]
curious, are the 4 songs that your rating is based off, the same top 5 as the ones from the list of 50 songs that you can check?
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If we really want to make skill ratings more accurate, we shouldn't shut this down without question just because official difficulties are based on the AAA, and that's that. What if files were to have two difficulties, one for the AAA and one for PA? So as your PA gets better, the difficulty that factors into your skill score goes on a curve from its PA difficulty to its AAA difficulty. Some files may be consistent enough that there's no difference, so we could just start with the ones that stand out to the community. A harder example is Blue Rose and A Kidney Stone. Blue Rose has thirty fewer SDGs, but its rank 200 score is around 45 goods, and A Kidney Stone's is over 90 goods. One is harder to SDG and one is harder to PA. (My score on Blue Rose is better than my scores on most 79s, and I don't have the stamina for files like AKS.) I know a file's difficulty isn't just a function of its scores, but ... a file's difficulty curve kind of mostly is, I guess? If everyone's playing to their current potential, maybe, but I know that's an unreasonable assumption, so ... ugh. I don't know. I mean, I understand that there are a lot of factors to this, so it's too tough to make it perfect, and it'd be more work, and you can't please everyone, anyway ... But it just doesn't feel right to not do anything about it, because it's easy to see how having one AAA-based difficulty would have issues when being scaled by scores past the AAA. |
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Edit: I've jumped my 2nd-4th scores up a bit (2-4 points higher) but I'm still at 5102 skill rating. Is this normal? Edit2: nvm I had to hit the refresh in the actual bar and not just the browser.
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Can confirm with proof that this is a thing that can happen I had a massive rank drop on a previous song but I couldn't get proof of it, so I experimented with this one. Before Then I played this Decided to update and check the leaderboard and oh take a looksy And then there's the average rank congratulations, I have no idea even |
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Re: Skill Rating & Leaderboards Discussion [Updated Feb 16]
Click on the little Bars next to the refresh.
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I feel like party 4u and ABCDEath are way too easy of a song to inflate a score into almost D3 range. Ievan Polkka if you're able to do semi consistent jacks. Like seriously; both of those songs are just D40-50 songs with small amounts of D60 speed mash. Edit: I find it funny my party 4u score is incredibly close in skill level to someone who can get 18g on a D70 song. (SHI*O*KA*RA*) This is worth 56.22 skill rating, why? idk
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And yet you're still somehow D2 in tournaments.
Get outta here.
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Re: Skill Rating & Leaderboards Discussion [Updated Feb 17]
You can see where my average scores sit around, ERB and MFDFY fall into your category of "easy for most of the song" (except ERB has awkwardness through the whole thing, MFDFY less spread out but still has the gluts and jumptrills) The thing is I find it funny that AAAing a 70 is worth more than my sub-20 Heatstroke and 7-4-1-5 Bloops I'm still D5 with 12g Fanteucpx[zv Basically I'm complaining for the same reasoning but focused on the Skill Rating falloff being rather harsh, if you can get 16g on an 87 you can AAA a 70 but I'm not sure the converse is true |
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Everyone has things they're good and bad at
Unrelated edit: If I can suggest something, can you make it so that you can FORCE a score to save over your existing one? Right now I'm having difficulty improving my Necropotence score because I have a mashFC, though I can get 20s with a miss or 2 Last edited by SKG_Scintill; 03-9-2015 at 09:10 AM.. |
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Re: Skill Rating & Leaderboards Discussion [Updated Feb 17]
regarding party 4u v2: that song is a 63 partly because of the annoying blue background that plays when you have the no background mod turned off, which greatly adds to the difficulty. it used to be the case that the no background mod wouldn't record scores but that changed for some reason i'll never understand. so we should change it so that either it isn't a 63 or the no background mod needs to disable score recording again
abcdeath: yeah this song is really easy for a d2 player to get sdg on because it's so short. that's probably just an artefact of the ffr difficulty system and how it's biased towards aaa's and not sdg's, whereas this skill rating system gives a lot more weight to sdg's regarding 16 goods on 87 vs aaa on 70: this is a consequence of the fact that the rating system is multiplicative in terms of difficulty, which i pointed out a few pages back and got ignored (i think this is actually important) Quote:
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