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Old 12-20-2014, 12:23 PM   #11
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Thumbs down Re: jTWG LXIX: MECHANICAL POWER OF LOVEEEEE Game Thread

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Yeah, not liking your wild accusation of me. It's fine to be suspicious of me, but your reasoning is wholly unsubstantiated and mostly theoretical based on a Night 1 wolfing. Not to mention that it feels to me that you're trying to create a strawman's argument to accuse me and I don't see a Human purposely doing that unless victim to confirmation bias.
Everything posited is "theoretical" and "unsubstantiated" in this game unless it comes from a confirmed seer. I'll never understand why in TWG people are alright with those who are ghopping on bandwagon mentalities and making gut reads but then find it suspicious when others construct specific narratives for each player and decide which one fits the mold of what someone would reasonably deem "wolfish" the most and roll with it as a possibility. [/quote]

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This is only based off of my word, but I would have avoided wolfing RNGRX for two reasons:
He was very quiet during the live TWGs and I liked the assertive disposition he had taken on in this game, as I found it to be an improvement to his performance.
Because he was attempting to incite activity, it would be beneficial for the game as a whole. As I mentioned in one of my posts, I want this jTWG to be active and supported by the newer Players. RNGRX's performance in the game fits the bill of doing that.
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Now let me ask you a few questions regarding your theory. If I'm a Wolf, why did I wolf one of my Human leans? Why did I unnecessarily put myself to the risk of suspicion by mentioning RNGRX as potentially being wolfed (I'm going to make due on that threat to the Wolves, by the way. If you're a Wolf as I currently suspect, you're going down!!!)? You say there's no motive to frame me, but that's a pseudoproblem. I don't think it's far off to assume that the Wolves wolfed RNGRX because he was active, for example. Maybe they believed he was a PR too.
I agree with you about this. I don't understand why everyone isn't questioning the stupidity of wolfing the other person in the kitb. You'd have to think that rng would have at least been up on most people's radar today. The only theories that make sense to me are the instances where the wolves are either just randomizing it to confuse us or picking and not thinking. Clasko hops up on my list for that simply because he hasn't been playing the entire time. Maybe look at the list of replacement players so far too? Some overlap where neither are active over a night phase would make sense. I'll look to see who replaced who.

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Originally Posted by charles
I do post a lot of fluff. But I post a lot of informative things too. This isn't something unique to me; look at any recent FFR TWG. In fact, I'm actually one of the quiet ones in actual TWGs, so if you think my fluff is bad, you're in for a huge surprise when you move out of jTWG!
I don't post fluff to appear active (the contributive posts I make are sufficient enough for that already), I post fluff to have fun, because that's what the game is about; having fun. Any what better way to instigate activity than by trying to get everyone to have fun? Do you disagree with that?
Thanks for the links. Like I said initially, I haven't played with most people in jTWG, I don't have a foundation of meta yet to compare to. Saying that, have I seen you play in TWG before? I've been playing TWG on here since 2004 on and off, and you're pretty good for someone I'm not sure if I know/remember. Did you go by another name?

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Now that you're here, why don't you answer my question at the bottom of the post here.
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Why do you suspect RNGRX for pursuing a lynch on an inactive when he's been trying to get the game active the entire Day Phase?
Also, based on your logic, RNGRX would be suspicious in either scenario. You're saying he's either a Wolf that wants inactives to live or a Wolf that wants inactives to be lynched. It's a fallacious dilemma, why can't he be a Human wanting to get rid of the noncontributive because he would prefer a game with active Players?
I would rather have seen clasko actually show up and play then waste a lynch on a blind 50/50. The lynching of inactives is a dumb strategy. RNG was about to be near the top of votes received by the end of the day, that was the situation where him being a wolf would make sense. Like I said, everything is theoretical. What I always want to see is how the accused/associated react. You play the play out and see what info comes up and then you have a better opportunity to make a decision that at least feels a bit more informed.

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And here's a follow up since you suspect me. If I'm a Wolf, who would my Partner be and why? Do you think I've made any association tells?
That 2nd question is a lot more interesting than the first. What made you want to ask that? Because it comes off as a human confident in their humanity? Or because you genuinely want to know in a lawful neutral kind of way? Either way, you're no longer the most suspicious person to me and I'm going to rescind my vote off you. Reading back, you did question rng more than I realized about his claims. I should have come in with a more fleshed out version of my theory in a complementary way to your questioning to potentially gather sufficient info to avoid that kitb. What I still don't understand is why antronach was tied. did I miss something?

Anyways I need to go back and see who replaced who and if they remained active or inactive. I really like the potential in the rng wolfing being randomed via a replacement/clasko mishap. Is it legal to ask the host to clarify what happens if roles on either side don't send in a PM?
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