TWG CXXV - Charu Dies Multiple times. Danceguy Dies Once For Some Weird Reason

[Funnygurl555]

gonna go off and sleep now.

will be back later i guess

this phase also ends on the 20th

meeeeeeh ok

[Tokzic]

Originally Posted by j-rodd123

and I guess xiz flipping roleblocker means that he had 2 partners. I really think we should lynch from that pool today, from a statistical perspective.

As I've already said, I think this is the wrong attitude for this lynch. Should we talk about who Xiz's partners might be? Yes, absolutely. Is that what we need to lynch? Fuck no.

If we tunnel vision on wolves for this lynch, there's another team that will instantly end the game on us. And not "eventually" - with the kill rate in this game, it's Mafia win if we don't gotcha one in our next two lynches. And if we don't use this lynch to find a mafia, our second shot is weighted against us! They'll be 3 out of 4 people, and it will be incredibly fucking difficult to lynch one. But if we don't, by EOD next phase, the game is over.

I understand that lynching a red is awesome and it's easy to get caught up in the moment and go for what's easy right now. Xiz being red is a huge lead that we can follow up with investigating relations with.

But at the same time, we must be clear-headed enough to acknowledge that enough Mafia claims have come up that there's ALMOST CERTAINLY 3 Mafia, and that is a VERY SCARY number of reds to alive alive right now. I would even go so far as to say wolves and humans should be fighting together at the moment. Humans and wolves both have killing mafia as their number one interest in this state of the game.

Wolves, if what J-rodd says is true you seriously killed Plop? Are you fucking stupid? Mafia are 24 hours of game time away from victory right now and you killed everybody's greenest read?

There's 3 mafia up, if humans and wolves both use their kills in these next two phases to get 1 mafia, we will have 2 reds on both factions next day phase. That's not scary. If we do not catch a mafioso between the lynch and the wolfing, we will have 3 Mafia players alive in a pool of 7. That is VERY SCARY.

It is critical that we alternate our scumhunting efforts this game every time we catch one, or else the weremafia we let slip by will swipe the game out from under us.

[Red Blaster]

Jrodd what's your opinion on Guest?
He's made virtually no contributions at all and its D2.

[j-rodd123]

Ya I agree with you tokzic I wasn't thinking of overall numbers

[Tokzic]

Originally Posted by Tokzic

They'll be 3 out of 4 people

Gah. You know what I mean. 3 vs 4, 3 out of 7.

[j-rodd123]

Originally Posted by Red Blaster

Jrodd what's your opinion on Guest?
He's made virtually no contributions at all and its D2.

A bad guy prolly

[Red Blaster]

Originally Posted by j-rodd123

A bad guy prolly

I agree.

[Tokzic]

For humans who don't like to read as much, basically I'm saying to keep playing the game as you were, there's been some interesting points already brought up about potential Xiz partners. But when it comes to your vote? Mafia are alarmingly close to victory. Don't vote for someone you think is a Xiz partner this phase. Vote for those guys after Mafia are weaker.

[Guest15937]

Originally Posted by j-rodd123

ok so we've had manti flip 1-shot doctor, me claiming doctor, red blaster claimed guardian, psychoangel claimed seer, and xiz flip roleblocker wolf and 2 vanilla villagers flip. does someone wanna work out the setup from the letters?

Well, assuming no one's claim is a lie (which could easily be a false assumption...), the Mafia roll is DDXXXXX and Werewolf roll is CCDXXXX, where X is unknown (but most likely a T).

What this means:

There are exactly two wolves left. They are both standard wolves unless there is another FULL guardian or seer between myself and whoever is the other non-claimed townie.
The three mafia are probably Goon + GF/Ninja + Traitor, unless either myself or the other non-claimed townie are (1-shot)/cop, (1-shot)/doctor, or (1-shot)/tracker.

[Guest15937]

EBWOP: Sorry, forgot there can't be two one-shot doctors and there can't be a 1-shot tracker without a full tracker.. I should have said "The three mafia are probably Goon + GF/Ninja + Traitor, unless either myself or the other non-claimed townie are (1-shot)/cop, another doctor, or a full tracker."

[Charles Claythorne]

Have to apologise to Red Blaster and psychoangel. Xiz was one of my main suspicions since the beginning of the game but I was too self-doubting to actually push through with it. I feel like a massive idiot right now, honestly. I'm sorry!!!

After the ruckus from last Day Phase, I currently trust all our current claims. Xiz tried placing doubt on both j-rodd and Red Blaster and the final lynch came down to Xiz and psychoangel. I guess Mafia might have false claimed too, but everything being on the table now, everyone's giving me a Town vibe anyway.

Strongly feel that T-Force is Wolf Partners with Xiz, but I agree with Toxic Man that it would be more beneficial for Wolves and us to go for a Mafia lynch this Phase.

Thinking that Mafia might be under the radar. Going to do some homework and try to gain any leads for this morning after I'm done. If I don't finish it in time, I'll be back later tonight to look into things.

[blindreper1179]

Tokzic, you bring up good points, everyone disregard my saying to look into him next.

[XelNya]

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[blindreper1179]

You must be putting yourself to sleep from your own posts.... oh wait, you don't have any lately.

[blindreper1179]

Anyways something to think about; even though it incriminates myself, I feel like the first night kills were beginner level choices by more experienced players.. Killing them two because of being vets, beginners are scared from them. The thing that catches my eye is that Sun died, and xiz was a wolf. They read each other pretty well, and knew he had to get rid of Sun quick. Why I'm rambling on is because I think mafia killed dark. Who would be most threatened by him?

[blindreper1179]

Dammit, my main point for the first half was to say they're trying to frame beginners for the kill.

[Funnygurl555]

Originally Posted by blindreper1179

Anyways something to think about; even though it incriminates myself, I feel like the first night kills were beginner level choices by more experienced players.. Killing them two because of being vets, beginners are scared from them. The thing that catches my eye is that Sun died, and xiz was a wolf. They read each other pretty well, and knew he had to get rid of Sun quick. Why I'm rambling on is because I think mafia killed dark. Who would be most threatened by him?

My main issue with this though is that there's multiple scum in each faction. Would one entire faction be filled with just beginners? And a more experienced player would naturally lead the pack if they were on a scum faction.

I don't feel like that was the reason why Manti was taken out.

[Funnygurl555]

Originally Posted by blindreper1179

Dammit, my main point for the first half was to say they're trying to frame beginners for the kill.

Oh,

I guess that works too.

[blindreper1179]

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555

My main issue with this though is that there's multiple scum in each faction. Would one entire faction be filled with just beginners? And a more experienced player would naturally lead the pack if they were on a scum faction.

I don't feel like that was the reason why Manti was taken out.

I agree with the first half. A vet leader is sending the minions to do the dirty work, and make it look like they did it without him/her, thus sacrificing them and keeping the better player for the long run.

I do kinda agree about manti that that might not be the reason. But if it was, who would benefit personally more so than just helping the team win?

[Funnygurl555]

Originally Posted by blindreper1179

I do kinda agree about manti that that might not be the reason. But if it was, who would benefit personally more so than just helping the team win?

So kill off an experienced member, which is something that people wouldn't think a stronger scum team would do first, and take out a player who may read newer players correctly. hmhm, ok

Could anyone have been able to figure out that Manti was PR? He didn't say much in D0 so I kinda don't get how anyone would come to that conclusion