TWG CXXIV: Super Smash Brothers

[TWG Captain Falcon]

Originally Posted by TWG Mega Man

This aggression is funny! I feel like I might have stepped on a wolf mine or two.



Mega Man's Logic 101 For Children

I state that we should not vote A for reason X but for reason Y, and I want to vote B for reasons X and Z.

You state aha! you cannot say that X is a reason for not A, but X is a reason for B!

The problem here is you're doing something called "false equivocation". There is no relation between two arguments. They are separate. X can mean something totally different in the context of Z.



I don't think, I know! Remember how I said I think I know at least 3 identities? I know who Pikachu is for sure!

I don't like this post at all.

[TWG Mega Man]

Specifically, the X in this case is "consistently in the thread".

Mario has been consistently in the thread. That is, his posts have been at regular intervals throughout the game. But the thing is... there's not very many! At the time I made my vote, Mario had 3 posts in the thread. It was an out of the blue vote on Bowser and then two shots

Pikachu showed up a little late, but he's made 11 posts. He's been consistently in the game since joining. And, even though he's sheer fluff, he was at least evidently showing evidence that he was listening. He was quoting bits and responding to them. Even if it was in Pikachese.

So fuck this "contradictory statements" bullshit, it sounds like you're grasping at straws to try to start a wagon. Bring it on! I'm Mega Man!!

[TWG Mega Man]

Originally Posted by TWG Mega Man

Mario has been consistently in the thread. That is, his posts have been at regular intervals throughout the game. But the thing is... there's not very many! At the time I made my vote, Mario had 3 posts in the thread. It was an out of the blue vote on Bowser and then two shots

Oops, did I not finish that paragraph?

It was an out of the blue vote on Bowser, and then two shitposts about nothing.

[TWG Peach]

p.s. i'm going to be out of state til sunday so i'll be really shoddy in updates from my end

[TWG Pikachu]

Originally Posted by TWG Mega Man

This aggression is funny! I feel like I might have stepped on a wolf mine or two.



Mega Man's Logic 101 For Children

I state that we should not vote A for reason X but for reason Y, and I want to vote B for reasons X and Z.

You state aha! you cannot say that X is a reason for not A, but X is a reason for B!

The problem here is you're doing something called "false equivocation". There is no relation between two arguments. They are separate. X can mean something totally different in the context of Z.



I don't think, I know! Remember how I said I think I know at least 3 identities? I know who Pikachu is for sure!

Pi pika, pikachu, chu pika pika, chu pika pi pikachu, pikachu chu pi pik pika chu pika. Pikachu pika pi chu pikachu.

[TWG Bowser]

Originally Posted by TWG Mega Man

Mario has been consistently in the thread. That is, his posts have been at regular intervals throughout the game. But the thing is... there's not very many! At the time I made my vote, Mario had 3 posts in the thread. It was an out of the blue vote on Bowser and then two shots

I personally wasn't all that surprised when Mario parked a vote on me, I was expecting at least one "nemesis vote."

Butm I'd argue that the contradictions aren't only when comparing Mario to Pikachu, but also when comparing Mario to all of the other players who have been inactive. If we're gonna count posts, then we can do this.

TWG Pit 	8
TWG Little Mac 	7
TWG Mario 	        6
TWG Shulk 	        5
TWG Kirby    	3
TWG Rosalina 	3
TWG Sonic 	        3

*this is the post count as I'm typing*

What's suspicious is that you picked out Pikachu, by name, to defend and compare with Mario, when there are 6 other players who are doing the exact same thing that Mario did. It feels arbitrary, and it feels fake.

Pikachu showed up a little late, but he's made 11 posts. He's been consistently in the game since joining. And, even though he's sheer fluff, he was at least evidently showing evidence that he was listening. He was quoting bits and responding to them. Even if it was in Pikachese.

I won't argue against the fact that he's listening, but he's not contributing. This is bad.

Originally Posted by TWG Mega Man

I don't think, I know! Remember how I said I think I know at least 3 identities? I know who Pikachu is for sure!

Humor us.


k heado to beddo, pce

[TWG Mega Man]

Originally Posted by TWG Bowser

What's suspicious is that you picked out Pikachu, by name, to defend and compare with Mario when there are 6 other players who are doing the exact same thing that Mario did. It feels arbitrary, and it feels fake.

I can only vote for one person at a time, Dino Satan! I'm aware there's more than one inactive person, and I'm sure there's more than one wolf chilling back in the inactive pool!

Mario is not arbitrary. Mario is one of the most useless players right now. Unlike other useless players, however, he's also been checking into the thread regularly. So I voted him to pressure him into talking more. And he did! Immediately after I called him out to contribute, he responded with incredulity, and steadfastness to continue making white noise.

Wow! Not exactly the response I'd expect from a townie! Think I'm going to keep my vote on him until he convinces me otherwise!

[TWG Link]

Apologies, I was attacked by a swarm of Cuccos and only recovered from the wounds after a night's rest!!!
(i fell asleep while making the post last night ooops)

Thanks for the clarification, Ike.

tl;dr is the list at the end. Quote section was mostly for me anyway.


Reactions to Particular Posts:

Originally Posted by TWG Ike

nice

Originally Posted by TWG Ike

We'll say I helped with that thus I am more town that any of you
nice
nice

The reaction's spontaneity makes me feel like it's more townie than wolfy. If a wolf's partner denied, his or her mind is preoccupied with appearing town, not with jokingly taking credit for something.

Originally Posted by TWG Bowser

too bad fit trainer wasn't a power role! that would have been way more hilarious (and would have given the village a huge head start but mostly hilarious)

Very odd reaction. But I don't think a wolf would say something so needless, so I'm leaving Bowser as a town lean.

Originally Posted by TWG Ike

I come to make my first post and I see that
like
Fucking Destroyed
nice

More context for Ike that I think puts his posts in a clearer light. When he referenced having helped, he was probably indicating his arrival.

Originally Posted by TWG Pac Man

so I haven't read the thread yet; what the fuck did Wii Fit Trainer do to fuck him/herself over this early lmao

I originally found it very odd that Pac Man knew Fit Trainer was modkilled despite not having read the thread, but I realize it was more likely that he saw the OP than anything. A little less suspicion of him in this case.

Originally Posted by TWG Ike

I'd argue completely ignoring it is the best way to go, actually
I feel like my time is better spent doing something other than figure out whether this person we know almost nothing about other than they cheated/their alignment would put the name of a partner rather than the name of a villager.

I feel like I can just read Sonic based on their posts alone rather than the weak association between the two of them.

It's probably player-dependent, but I see wolves being more likely to go with the flow than against. Especially with easy things to talk about like scrutinizing a vote. That Ike has been against wasting time doing so (alongside just being generally active and contributive) seems like a towny thing to do.

Originally Posted by TWG Zelda

Bus partners? Who would do such a thing this early. Right Pac man?

Originally Posted by TWG Pac Man

i don't follow, please elaborate

Still not liking Pac Man's response.

Originally Posted by TWG Bowser

link, that right there is why i'm wary of peach

i've heard of counter-claiming power roles, but counter-claiming snitch for a modkill... lmao

Weird to have taken Ike's posts seriously.

Originally Posted by TWG Ike

Peach is unfortunately in my villa pile as bad as I think they are at this game.
Not knowing the # of wolves is too great to ignore and doesn't feel fake, and that's ignoring the fact that they're claiming OGI.

Which I kinda feel bad about doing now, even if it was a joke. OGI isn't cool.

Originally Posted by TWG Peach

also, didn't i say there were 6 wolves, now there are 5 left? idfk what you're talking about

Originally Posted by TWG Ike

there's 4 left

Normally, I would only give enough merit to not knowing wolf-related information as a slight lean, this interaction appears very human due to how roundabout it is. A wolf would in all likelihood misinterpret the number of wolves rather than say a player (who claims the correct number) is wrong. Could certainly be faked, since Ike seems to have experience and adeptness, but I'm a bit doubtful that was staged.

Originally Posted by TWG Charizard

Try looking for wolves with the information you already have. Inactives will post when they're ready, and if they don't then we'll deal with them. Calling out inactives this early is lazy and reads like someone attempting to get human points.

Disagree with this point. We want inactives to be as active as possible as soon as possible. If they're not active now, why would they be active after 25+ pages of topic to read?

Originally Posted by TWG Fox

I think Mario right now. I've said it already about it being fishy to place 'joke votes' on people when there's already a small train starting to form on them. You also have players covering for you even though it was a bad idea, and you have yet to post since then while I see you down there in the Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread.

Don't like this so much. Seems like he's grabbing any reason to just vote for Mario. Who has been 'covering' for Mario? Do you mean that people view his votes as jokes?

Originally Posted by TWG Ike

Starting to feel like this might've been real for some reason

Originally Posted by TWG Zelda

If you think I'm serious, off him first. If he's wolf, lynch me next. I'm willing to the that risk.

I feel this response is weird. If Zelda were a wolf, she would be aware of whether Pac Man was wolf or town; and in the latter case, would certainly concede to a lynch on him if the need arose.
I'm not sure what response I would have expected, but that wasn't it, is all.

Originally Posted by TWG Zelda

Because you don't say the word I anywhere in your posts.

Is this where I start role playing????????
I like this Zelda, so sassy!

Originally Posted by TWG Mega Man

Bowser still smells funny to me, but he's participating a lot, so I'm willing to let off of him for now.

I don't think Pikachu is worth a lynch yet. Even though he's 100% fluff, he's at least consistently active and (probably) reading the thread, so I wouldn't worry about it unless we get a Day 2 full of pika pi too.

Mario, on the other hand, is rubbing me the wrong way! Consistently in the thread, making votes without saying much about them. Going to turn up the heat with a little Fire Storm!!

Contradiction is contradictory.

Originally Posted by TWG Fox

Agree with Link and Peach right now, basically the same stuff between the two in this post.

Don't like this too much, I feel like Fox has been posting to show presence in the thread, but he hasn't said very much otherwise. Agreeing with two people without any added input sounds like a fake attempt of being helpful.

Originally Posted by TWG Yoshi

And Mega Man you say that you want a vote on Mario because he's "rubbing you the wrong way." Link is soo right about what he says about a vote on Pikachu vs. Mario. If you wanna play this game with reasoning like that, I might as well leave my vote on Pikachu.

Yoshi's sort of in the same boat as Fox with me, but less so for whatever reason. Probably because Yoshi keeps roleplaying.

Originally Posted by TWG Zelda

At this point, either create a kitb between Mario and pikachu or vote someone completely different.
Lynching them and finding out their role literally gives us nothing. Lynching someone else, we at least will have a lead even if it's a bad one. If they're more helpful than those two.

Agree that we should look for reasons for voting other than "This person is actively joke posting."
Zelda's general manner against a lynch on Mario or Pikachu as being pointless seems human to me. Don't think a wolf would keep pushing against it. Only a weak human lean though.

Originally Posted by TWG Mario

You're inadequate, princess

excuse me plumber shes a queen now

Originally Posted by TWG Shulk

on a scale of one to pikachu, how useless are my posts?

raichu

Overall:
1) TWG Bowser - Has been really aggressive and has made some questionable plays on occasion, but overall, I feel like he's human. His recent post against Megaman seems to have put in some legitimate thought and effort.
2) TWG Captain Falcon - I disagree with some of his points and suspicions after reviewing the thread, but he seems to legitimately be trying, so giving him a slight town lean.
3) TWG Charizard - Has been unafraid to question most people and has given a fair amount of input. Seems human to me.
4) TWG Donkey Kong - Needs to post more. All I remember you doing was make a joke vote on Mario. He's apparently suspicious of Mario and Captain Falcon, but I don't see why anyone would be suspicious of Mario but not Pikachu. Seems odd to me.
5) TWG Fox - Feel like he's been posting fluff a lot in an attempt to appear contributive.
6) TWG Ike - He mistakenly believed there were 5 wolves and has been very contributive in the thread. Very human.
7) TWG Kirby - Needs to post more.
8) TWG Link - i turned into a wolf in twilight princess
9) TWG Little Mac - Need more posts.
10) TWG Mario - Useless.
11) TWG Marth - Needs to post more.
12) TWG Mega Man - Still suspicious of him for his recent posts.
13) TWG Pac Man - Feel like he's being weird. Jokes are jokes. I don't see how you could have possibly thought that Zelda was up to some subterfuge by calling you a partner.
14) TWG Peach - No one's counterclaimed that he snitched on Fit Trainer. That being the case, he seems incredibly human. There's the off chance that he was a good Samaritan wolf and decided to tell Xiz about Fit Trainer's outside communications despite being partner anyway, but I'm not sure it's in YoshL's nature. Seems very human.
15) TWG Pikachu - Useless.
16) TWG Pit - more posts pls
17) TWG Rosalina - Seemed sort of nonchalant upon entering the thread, in my opinion, which makes me give a tiny human lean, but she still hasn't posted enough for me to make a good opinion.
18) TWG Samus - Posts seem a tad mechanical, but that's likely due to the role playing. Hasn't posted enough for me to have any major opinion though.
19) TWG Shulk - post more pls. there arent enough pretty boys in the game you know
20) TWG Sonic - youre too slow at posting
21) TWG Villager - He seemed legitimately annoyed with Bowser when he was questioning whether Ike's reaction to Fit Trainer was legitimate. He was in the spotlight for some time and receiving a bit of negative press for ostensibly running with the game or something. I think he would be a bit more cautious if he were a wolf. Seems towny.
22) TWG Wolf Fit Trainer - rip
23) TWG Yoshi - Same boat as Fox for the most part.
24) TWG Zelda - Leaning human, but overall not too sure.

I'm thinking there is a number of wolves among the inactives, since the active roster has seemed mostly town to me. Want to see more from the inactives before coming up to any conclusions though.

Megaman for being inconsistent and attempting to validate being suspicious of Mario and thinking Pikachu is human for practically the same reasons.

[TWG Zelda]

Holy shit link, town for the rest of the game for me bro. You bring up some mighty fine points.

As for the the comments towards me:
*I said that for some reactions, I got what I wanted. I chose Pac man because he didn't say a lot at the time, could of been anyone not active. I liked his answer, in the sense of he got caught off guard and didn't play along. I assume humans would play along.

[TWG Pit]

Good morning everyone!

I'll be present in the thread again starting this afternoon and will be around for EOD. I've had some stuff to take care of in real life.

[TWG Bowser]

I personally still have a slight red lean on Ike right now, but otherwise great reads. Just woke up so my brain's a bowl of tapioca, so I'll post in a little bit.

[Xiz]

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[TWG Bowser]

Mega Man definitely has a vote on Mario lol.

[Xiz]

Originally Posted by TWG Bowser

Mega Man definitely has a vote on Mario lol.

Sh*t my bad. Fixed. I thought I did that.

[TWG Link]

Regarding Pacman and your reaction test, Zelda, I suppose we just disagree on that point. From my experience, humans are more likely to joke about being wolves than wolves are (my friend actually compiled a statistic on it once and there was like a 75% chance for a human to joke over a wolf or something. I've no idea where the log with his data is sadly), but different strokes for different folks, I guess. Maybe Pacman really is just that particular!
Don't worry, we are still lovers despite our disagreements!!!

Bowser, why do you believe Ike is wolfy?


I will give 10 rupees to every inactive that posts something meaningful in the thread!!!!! It's a steal of a deal!!!!!!!
And I'll even give 50 rupees bonus to whichever inactive posts the most!

[TWG Mario]

megaman

[TWG Pit]

Done catching up! Yikes. I gotta head to class soon so this might not be the best update ever, but I'll have some time in an hour so here goes nothing!!!

I really like Link, especially in the long post he made. You brought up some good points about a few players in the game, and I'm okay with Ike now.

Villager is someone I wouldn't want to see gone, mostly because his play seems too weird to be lynch-worthy.

I'm kinda okay with Peach, Her (lol his) reaction post to Wii Fit Trainer's death was a bit weird, but we know who Peach is now so I see that as a reason to keep him around.

I still really don't like Sonic. And Yoshi. I'm pretty sure I know who Yoshi is too.

I find Bowser still a bit off but not someone I'd want gone today.

Pikachu just shouldn't die this phase. Completely useless lynch.

I can hop on a Megaman wagon for pushing on a Mario lynch when really there's other pretty inactive people.

I wouldn't want to see a KiTB between Mario and Pikachu. I thought the rule for D1 was to try to gain information from a lynch.
What would a lynch between those two really give us.

[TWG Samus]

Gonna say I'm fine with a Mega-man lynch, but since it's starting to snowball, there's no point in me voting right now.

We're going to gather better information keeping the lynch close between two people then letting it snowball onto one.

[TWG Captain Falcon]

It'd give us less white noise!
But in all seriousness, I agree with them not being lynched tonight. At least they arande active to an extent.

My votes staying on Ike, I was gonna change it but just noticed he's been missing. Wouldn't mind a kitb between him and MegaBoy.

[TWG Captain Falcon]

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