Rework the SAP system

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Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

I do not agree with this in practice, especially given the general volatility of the judgment team (this is something that I want to alleviate but cannot do just yet)

I had thought this would come up, and I understand what you mean, but I don't really agree. The volatility already works in the opposite way by unjuistifiably granting +.

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

If a person sends a less detailed, easier file that gets rejected and sends an extremely polished file that judges all like, it would make sense to put more weight on the acceptance of that better file; the SAP system does this.

If in a batch one file is rejected, and another file is accepted, and that acceptance is very strong, SAP can still be granted to the simfile artist in that batch. Just as the current SAP system grants +1-5 based on the strength of an acceptance, you can consider a rejection some negative points. Or you can consider light/minor rejections no negative points, which is often the case with easier files.

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

Additionally, a system where we judge user performance in their acceptance in a given batch has a massive potential to be ineffective given the fact that people can play it safe and continuously submit easier files, which arguably require less detail.

Barely accepted files don't need to grant +SAP, then. In the current system any acceptance at all grants +1 SAP, and I don't argee with that for the reason you just mentioned.

If there is already a way to "game the system" in that respect, it's a separate issue.

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

Coincidentally enough, this conflicts with a general opinion that you had about people raising their cap with easy files -- if the system becomes performance based and will require consistency, people are more likely to submit files that are easier and require generally less detail.

I think my proposition is being interpreted as judging based solely off a net acceptance/rejection count. I didn't mean it that way; I still think acceptances and rejections can be relatively worth more than each other: very strongly accepted files are still worth more than 1 SAP, barely accepted files can be worth few to none depending on an arbitrary cutoff, and barely rejected files don't need to be penalized at all.

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

Alternatively, I can see users opting out of submitting as actively as they normally do simply because they are concerned about losing privileges despite an ability to get files accepted into the game. Do you think that this change in SAP to allow certain "privileged" stepartists while accommodating for everyone else is a good idea if it poses the risk of saturating the game with lowel level files? I don't think so.

Again, I think my proposition is being misinterpreted. I haven't called for any system by which simfile artists lose their SAP. What I'm saying is while the system is granting +SAP to positive performance it's neglecting all negative performance while doing so. Even in the case where a simfile artist has only rejections in a certain batch, I do not think the simfile artist should lose any SAP.

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

Adding deductions to the SAP system further beyond simple violations of the rules is incredibly unfair for those who are still trying to take the time to get their files through the system and get accepted. Against, this also correlates with the issue of judgment volatility -- just last batch, we had a file get two 10/10 [++] ratings and that same file also received a 6 [+?]; this isn't to say that any judgments are incorrect, but it speaks volumes about the fact that we can't rely on judgment scores even more heavily by basing increases in submission privileges off of multiple files. Additionally, while I am aware of certain people who are consistently able to produce good files, I am also aware of the fact that loosening/removing the cap will basically allow these users to saturate the game with their files, and I'm not a fan of that.

I haven't proposed any deductions to SAP.