TWG CXX: Villains United

[TWG Prince Hans]

That's an interesting viewpoint on Hades and Cruella, but the attention on Hades wasn't really wonderful. I didn't even think he was getting serious attention during that time. He was just sprouting his distaste for the Disney references and proceeded to continue to role play.

Not liking how you're attaching yourself to fuel the fire on Hooks. (Oh shit, am I protecting him now, Hades? )

Eeeeeh, this wasn't as cool as I thought it would be. Say some more stuff, since you said you will.

[TWG Shan Yu]

Originally Posted by TWG Jafar

This is an odd level of self awareness about what you "shouldn't do" seems like a hero desperatley trying to stay in disguise.

Yeah, Hook's concern with not appearing like a hero is a running theme in a number of his posts. I know that villains have to be attentive to not doing hero-esque things so that the rest of their team doesn't waste time and effort, but there's a preoccupation there that I'm not really picking up from other players.

[TWG Jafar]

Still hypothesizing, and like I said I have other interactions to delve into still.

Interpreting the meaning and thought process behind why people post the way they do is a time consiming process. Grab yourself a hot chocolate and relax. There's more coming.

It's prefectly fine for me to have reservations over Hook if I want to. I take offense to the fact that you "don't like how I'm feuling the fire on hook", when he's one of the people who's had the most questionable interactions with the rest of the villians.

He's been Defensive, hypocritical and has not made even a weak accusation on a hero.

Thats a solid goody-two shoes lynch in my book.

[TWG Jafar]

@ xiz, my vote is on hook for the moment

[Xiz]

Originally Posted by TWG Jafar

@ xiz, my vote is on hook for the moment

Fixed

[TWG Jafar]

@ xiz,

..... you have 2 hook wagons.

[TWG Prince Hans]

Alright, after some thinking, in terms of this whole hook business since that's still fresh.

Scenario 1 is that it's a wolf/hero being flustered and trying to get the heat off, only to contradict himself unintentionally because of being flustered. If this is the true scenario, then look at all the voters obviously.

Scenario 2 is that it's a villain getting roused and angry so isn't bothering to proofread his posts so they are not contradictory. If this is the true scenario, again, look at all the voters obviously.

Scenario 3 is that Hook is intentionally contradicting himself to make everyone permanently suspicious forever so to stay alive during night phases if Hook is villain. If this is the true scenario, then hopefully a role will know what to do if Hooks is not lynched this phase.

So there ya go. That's where I'm at with just the Hook thing.

[TWG Jafar]

Originally Posted by TWG Prince Hans

Alright, after some thinking, in terms of this whole hook business since that's still fresh.

Scenario 1 is that it's a wolf/hero being flustered and trying to get the heat off, only to contradict himself unintentionally because of being flustered. If this is the true scenario, then look at all the voters obviously.

Scenario 2 is that it's a villain getting roused and angry so isn't bothering to proofread his posts so they are not contradictory. If this is the true scenario, again, look at all the voters obviously.

Scenario 3 is that Hook is intentionally contradicting himself to make everyone permanently suspicious forever so to stay alive during night phases if Hook is villain. If this is the true scenario, then hopefully a role will know what to do if Hooks is not lynched this phase.

So there ya go. That's where I'm at with just the Hook thing.

Which is fine. You're allowed to have multiple veiwpoints on an issue.

What you're doing though by not taking a stance on the hook issue is saying you believe scenario 2 is the most likely argument for hook.

I think scenario 1 is.

[TWG Prince Hans]

I'm thinking even more on this since I'm on the ponder train.

Hook's mentioned Syndrome being the one to start the train on him.

Syndrome seems to be a player who's actively trying to figure out the game before the real start happens (Day 2). Whether that's an indication or not of his alignment is a mystery still, but I'm pinging him slightly because he did indeed start accusing Hooks for a minor thing at first.

But then they latched on to each other, so it's weird to me that a hero/wolf would do that. It just brings attention to both of them that they're unwilling to let go of each other which could end up super horrible for the hero/wolf because if the one that flips is villain.

...I think I'm just gonna say, possibly, it's two villains yelling at each other.

[TWG Prince Hans]

Originally Posted by TWG Jafar

What you're doing though by not taking a stance on the hook issue is saying you believe scenario 2 is the most likely argument for hook.

I guess that's the case now!

[TWG Prince Hans]

Originally Posted by TWG Prince Hans

But then they latched on to each other, so it's weird to me that a hero/wolf would do that. It just brings attention to both of them that they're unwilling to let go of each other which could end up super horrible for the hero/wolf because if the one that flips is villain.

I didn't complete the thought here.

If the one that flips is villain, it would make the other one a big lynch target for the next day phase.

[TWG Syndrome]

Originally Posted by TWG Prince Hans

.If the one that flips is villain, it would make the other one a big lynch target for the next day phase.

Not really though, since I'm not latching. I merely had more suspicion due to him acting most suspiciously in my view. I'm not only going after Hook, you and him are saying this and it's really starting to annoy me. Not to mention the fact that people didn't have to vote for him either. The fact that multiple votes are on him show others also think the same way as I do about his posts. If he eventually dies and is a villain, it's nobody's fault but him, as his posts are super suspicious, contradictory and the way he is coming off when defending is totally off. It's perfectly normal for people to see that and think it's a hero.

Originally Posted by TWG Prince Hans

Alright, after some thinking, in terms of this whole hook business since that's still fresh.

Scenario 1 is that it's a wolf/hero being flustered and trying to get the heat off, only to contradict himself unintentionally because of being flustered. If this is the true scenario, then look at all the voters obviously.

Scenario 2 is that it's a villain getting roused and angry so isn't bothering to proofread his posts so they are not contradictory. If this is the true scenario, again, look at all the voters obviously.

Scenario 3 is that Hook is intentionally contradicting himself to make everyone permanently suspicious forever so to stay alive during night phases if Hook is villain. If this is the true scenario, then hopefully a role will know what to do if Hooks is not lynched this phase.

I don't really care for this post.
Scenario 1: Obvious case. No way of knowing whether wolf or hero though so the votes on him are with good reason.

Scenario 2: Really doubt a villain would react to one vote in this way and not think at all about the way in which they are defending themselves. The votes on him are with good reason.

Scenario 3: Kind of idiotic I think. A villain purposely making himself look bad to not die in a night phase is pointless, as making yourself look bad makes you prone to a lynch. What would be the good out of this?

This post just looks like a whole bunch of bullshit to me. You've got two obvious cases that don't really matter because either way, the votes on Hook are there for good reason as suspicious posting. Then the third is idiotic. Looks like some filler to make it look like you're involved in this little part of what's going on this phase, without really accomplishing much.

If anything, scenario 3 would go like: You are actually a hero and think that Hook is being suspicious. If you post some bullshit and then go with the case where Hook is possibly a villain, he won't die, but will still have suspicion on him and could very easily be a lynch in a later phase. Rather than you and the rest of your buddies having to dig up shit on another player with no votes.

I'm willing to go with my scenario 3 than the rest of the ones you have said.
Prince Hans

[TWG The Queen]

Test post

[Xiz]

Originally Posted by TWG The Queen

Test post

^ Done by me. Was fixing that account. Should be all good now.

[TWG Syndrome]

I like the way Jafar has been posting so far, villain read for me for now.

Shere Khan: posting a gif and nothing else in the last day of this phase. Could've at least lied about reading the thread if you wanted to appear like you were doing something, but it's like you want everybody to know you don't give a shit. idk right now.

Auto: http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...&postcount=404 Sort of dumb when you haven't been of use at all and you disappeared completely after that post. Make some posts first before saying other players should do so.

Gaston: I see you down there, making a post? You haven't done anything either, and it seems a lot of players (including myself) are waiting on something from you.

[TWG Syndrome]

Charles Muntz also hasn't said anything and it's the last day. Why would you say you could be a replacement if you aren't going to do anything in the game?

[TWG Prince Hans]

Originally Posted by TWG Syndrome

Not really though, since I'm not latching. I merely had more suspicion due to him acting most suspiciously in my view. I'm not only going after Hook, you and him are saying this and it's really starting to annoy me. Not to mention the fact that people didn't have to vote for him either. The fact that multiple votes are on him show others also think the same way as I do about his posts. If he eventually dies and is a villain, it's nobody's fault but him, as his posts are super suspicious, contradictory and the way he is coming off when defending is totally off. It's perfectly normal for people to see that and think it's a hero.

I disagree, you and him have been talking to each other the most and you are very affirmative about your position regarding Hooks. Right now even you're heavily implying that he's most likely hero/wolf. If that's not latching then I guess I need to redefine that term for myself.

I agree, however, that it is normal for others to think it's a hero/wolf if they strongly think of my scenario 1, but please keep in mind of other worlds out there.[/quote]

Originally Posted by TWG Syndrome

Scenario 3: Kind of idiotic I think. A villain purposely making himself look bad to not die in a night phase is pointless, as making yourself look bad makes you prone to a lynch. What would be the good out of this?

I actually thought of one, but then I quickly checked the OP and found out that's not possible what could happen if Scenario 3 existed. I was thinking having a role somehow flip him during the night, but there's a godfather, which throws that trick out the window, shit.[/quote]

Originally Posted by TWG Syndrome

This post just looks like a whole bunch of bullshit to me. You've got two obvious cases that don't really matter because either way, the votes on Hook are there for good reason as suspicious posting. Then the third is idiotic. Looks like some filler to make it look like you're involved in this little part of what's going on this phase, without really accomplishing much.

So actually analyzing a fresh moment, even if obvious scenarios are presented, is not trying? Okay, sir.

[TWG Prince Hans]

Actually, why did you switch your vote to me since you seem so convinced of Hooks?

[TWG Shan Yu]

Originally Posted by TWG Syndrome

If you post some bullshit and then go with the case where Hook is possibly a villain, he won't die, but will still have suspicion on him and could very easily be a lynch in a later phase. Rather than you and the rest of your buddies having to dig up shit on another player with no votes.

Ooh, I didn't think of it that way. I'm liking this line of thought.

[TWG Prince Hans]

So um, yeah.

Yzma, I keep seeing you looking at the thread. May I ask what you think currently?

We got about 7 hours left, so it be a good idea if we start getting to a consensus now. Majority is still on me so maybe that will be the consensus, who knows though.

I would really like the posters with low posts to say stuff due to approaching deadline.

Specifically: