TWG CXX: Villains United

[TWG Scar]

He wasn't, just saying that's what I have done in the past. Or given full reads lists early on to appear to be trying

[TWG Cruella De Vil]

Okay you should stop being vague and making weak connections or accusations by saying stuff like "bahaha this is exactly what I do as a wolf facing pressure" when you quote someone. Why is that funny unless you're saying something akin to "gotcha" or like "caught you motherfucker?"

Clarity is important here I spent five minutes looking for syndromes pressure because you weren't clear.

[TWG Scar]

That's great, it's good to read, keep it up

[TWG Scar]

I'm curious to who syndrome was, if I was catching someone I would say so and vote them like I already have this game, to Ursula. Have you made an opinion on Ursula yet?

[TWG Cruella De Vil]

Ursula is villa lean for sure one of the few who I trust their methods and intentions atm

[Xiz]

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[TWG Jafar]

Ew 17 pages already.

Better go read.

[TWG Maleficent]

Syndrome went for some mad overcompensating with that post, and I don't think it even worked. He's clearly still tunneling on Hook (writing more about him than pretty much everyone else he bothered to write about combined) and I'm not convinced that he actually cares about the other posters. Not that he should have fully formed opinions about everyone, since it's still pretty early. Definitely reads noob, not sure what else.

[TWG Sid Phillips]

Originally Posted by TWG Jafar

Ew 17 pages already.

Better go read.

May the force be with you.

[TWG Captain Hook]

Originally Posted by TWG Hades

You're right. It was him protecting you. Now that you are in the thread, why do you think that might be?

I wasn't trying to protect Hans. For how many pages was the conversation focused on either him or me? I just wanted to start getting some conversation on others.

I still don't like Syndrome,the reads list was so half assed and still primarily focused on me. It feels like a hero trying too hard to me.

At first I thought Syndrome might be CrazyJayde because the tunneling play is similar to another game recently. Same as the reactions that were coming out after I was pushing back. The reads list felt like a sunfan move though.

Originally Posted by TWG Hades

As with wolves, I suspect Heroes also prefer to avoid direct confrontation, instead attempting to steer the conversation in different directions in more subtle ways.

This is so far from true, some wolves may take that approach but there are wolves that like to hide in plain sight as well. Considering a lot of people have the mentality of "well a wolf wouldn't want to put heat on themselves" I would actually think that they'd prefer to do that.

Scar I feel like is either Cedolad or possibly YoshL which is why I haven't felt anything suspicious with them as of right now.

Cruella is kind of giving me a danceguy vibe, but I'm not too sure. I want to look at some of the interactions a little more closely. Steering the conversation can really go either way, hero or villian, so I don't feel like that's solid enough to form an opinion with right now.

I'm still catching up with things that have been posted today, I'll post some more in a bit.

[Xiz]

I'm realizing more and more that discussing players true identities is perhaps not the best way to approach this game. From now on, please refrain from doing so. Posts after this discussing players true identities will be looked at.

(It's my fault for being lenient on this rule, but I realized the importance of not discussing players... sorry, thanks! Any questions or concerns, please PM me.)

[TWG Syndrome]

Originally Posted by TWG Captain Hook

I still don't like Syndrome,the reads list was so half assed and still primarily focused on me. It feels like a hero trying too hard to me.

Why are you tunneling me Hook WAAAHHHHHHH
Really though, if you think it'd be a good idea for a hero to tunnel (I'm not even really doing this in that post, you had more stuff because surprise! you had more bad shit going on in my opinion.) this early, you probably need to rethink about how to play this game. At least you are posting a tad more, but trying to guess who people are isn't really helping all that much.

Originally Posted by Xiz

I'm realizing more and more that discussing players true identities is perhaps not the best way to approach this game. From now on, please refrain from doing so. Posts after this discussing players true identities will be looked at.

In my opinion, not necessary. I couldn't care less who people think I am.

[TWG Syndrome]

Originally Posted by TWG Auto

Hey Syndrome, is there really any need for a reads list this early in the game? With so little to go on at this stage it's going to be more 1/4 reads on people and 3/4 almost-random guesses based on one or two posts, but just the act of making a reads list turns everyone's attention away from everything else to support or dispute it.

Think this post is worse than what I had about you in my list. Nothing is too early to do in this game. As far as I'm concerned, I'm making an effort and the list also helps me keep track of what has happened. So really, it wouldn't turn everyone's attention away from everything else to support or dispute it, since supporting or disputing it would be focusing on what's going on. Also, reads aren't concrete, they are fluid. When more stuff happens, my opinions also change. Amazing.

If you don't like the fact I'm forming opinions on players, you should trying posting more substance than twisting some quotes around and then disappearing.

[TWG Syndrome]

Originally Posted by TWG Maleficent

Syndrome went for some mad overcompensating with that post, and I don't think it even worked. He's clearly still tunneling on Hook (writing more about him than pretty much everyone else he bothered to write about combined) and I'm not convinced that he actually cares about the other posters.

Believe what you will. Underlined part has been explained. If you do the most fishy stuff in my opinion, you have a strong read. It's as simple as that. Not to mention the fact that I wasn't finished and had to sleep, or the fact that there's still some players that haven't posted enough at all or anything at all.

[TWG Syndrome]

Originally Posted by TWG Syndrome

Why are you tunneling me Hook WAAAHHHHHHH
Really though, if you think it'd be a good idea for a hero to tunnel (I'm not even really doing this in that post, you had more stuff because surprise! you had more bad shit going on in my opinion.) this early, you probably need to rethink about how to play this game. At least you are posting a tad more, but trying to guess who people are isn't really helping all that much.

In my opinion, not necessary. I couldn't care less who people think I am.

Noticing this can be seen as contradictory. I mean to say that while trying to guess who people are isn't all that helpful, it shouldn't be penalized in this case. Doing it in moderation can be good later on maybe, but trying to appear to put in effort by only talking about guesses isn't.

[TWG Syndrome]

Originally Posted by TWG Ursula

How could you have missed what Scar was jumping on people for? When someone pinged him out he flipped out it was obvious you don't need me to break out a magnifying glass just to find that shit. I don't have to prove my work for 2+2=4

Sorry, I misread. What I got out of that was that Scar was "jumping" over information. Not "jumping" at people for getting voted.

Originally Posted by TWG Gaston

The UTR part of your analysis is accurate. The idea of me being a hero and trying to do whatever is just, yuck.

I'm only trying to form some ideas off of what I see, if you don't like it, try and be of more use and post more so I'm not forced to have this view of you.

Originally Posted by TWG Scar

Bahahah this is exactly what I do as a wolf facing pressure.

WHAT?!?!

Originally Posted by TWG Scar

At least they're seemingly listing stuff as thin but it feels weird to have stuff to say about everyone so early on.

There's stuff going on. Why shouldn't I be forming opinions on people? Even then, the list wasn't mostly my stuff anyway, it was just recapping what happened.

Originally Posted by TWG Scar

Good to read in case syndrome flips and what their alignment is

Sure thing.

[TWG Syndrome]

At this point, fine with a lynch on Hook, Hans, or Auto. If more people vote for Hans, I shall move my vote. Will also finish the other 4 or 5 people I missed after I get back, as I am out and about again.

[TWG Shan Yu]

Originally Posted by TWG Auto

Hey Syndrome, is there really any need for a reads list this early in the game? With so little to go on at this stage it's going to be more 1/4 reads on people and 3/4 almost-random guesses based on one or two posts, but just the act of making a reads list turns everyone's attention away from everything else to support or dispute it.

And while I think that wouldn't be a bad idea (seriously guys, lay off Hook, you've been pressing him for two pages on the same issue) there are some things in particular that need more attention, such as...

-Jafar going Disney roleplay after 8 pages, making four roleplay posts, and vanishing
-Shan Yu, who distracts from everything going on to try to start a push on me
-Cruella De Vil-attempted to distract from the apparently-serious Scar vote by claiming her Hans vote was the first serious one she made

I'm not liking this. While they're not entirely wrong about a reads list being comprised of little more than gut feelings this early on, to frame Syndrome's reads list or me bringing up their contradiction accusation post from earlier as attempts at distraction makes for a pretty weak argument on their part. When there's twenty people with little to nothing to go on there's going to be twenty different lines of thought occuring simultaneously. Having only a couple of narratives dominating the thread is dangerous. Plus, using the distraction defense is hyprocritical given that they do this in the same post:

Originally Posted by TWG Auto

there are some things in particular that need more attention

By their logic, wouldn't this constitute a distraction as well?

[TWG Captain Hook]

Originally Posted by TWG Syndrome

At least you are posting a tad more, but trying to guess who people are isn't really helping all that much.

This coming from the person who had 11 posts until posting 6 back to back posts just now. Not to mention that 6 of those 11 were just:

Originally Posted by TWG Syndrome

Hey now...I can't help it...

Originally Posted by TWG Syndrome

Missed this Xiz:

Originally Posted by TWG Syndrome

Regarding views on other players

Originally Posted by TWG Syndrome

Autistic quote fail

Originally Posted by TWG Syndrome

I lol'd. Really funny coming from you.

Alright, I just got home. Checking whole thread again for views on other players.

Originally Posted by TWG Syndrome

Missing some stuff from last page most likely.

Really wouldn't be making comments on me posting more. Neither one of us has really been playing all that great of a game so far. You've spent a ton of time focused on me and I've spent too much time defending against you.

For me having an idea of who people are gives me better reads. It may be an anon game but many people have traits that come out. I'm sure plenty of people know who I am by now. Maybe it isn't useful for you, but for me it is.

I'm starting to get concerned that there's two people who have not posted at all so far, two that haven't been back in the thread for more than 24hrs now and a handful more that haven't really posted anything at all and we're this far into the day phase. It's hard to form any good opinions when there's so many that haven't even been here. We can keep running around the same people who are posting frequently but I feel like most of the good points have been brought up on these people.

[TWG Shan Yu]

Also, Hades I was unsure of early on, but their chat with Hans is making me lean towards villain, though I'm not with them on every point. For example, if Hook was a hero along with Hans then I don't think Hook would name Hans but not anybody else in their defense. That would be too easy to see through from the point of view of the villains and not the kind of move that a hero conscious of their role would make. However, Hades' extended prodding of Hans for the same sort of stuff that I was interested in knowing too is giving me the villain feel.