Why Men Aren't Really Men Anymore

[Nullifidian]

It could serve as a good barometer on whether you want to hang out with that person or not lol. If they're opposed to the idea of you (or anyone for that matter) identifying as bisexual, then you'll likely not want to be friends with that person anyway.

[Pseudo Enigma]

Originally Posted by choof

I'm also not dating or actively seeking out relationships because I'm broke and... fat lmao.

choof can get anyone he wants. Well that's what I always thought anyway.

Originally Posted by _.Spitfire._

It could serve as a good barometer on whether you want to hang out with that person or not lol.

Oh so like an idiot test?

[devonin]

The biggest stigma for bisexuals is if you're a bisexual woman who is currently dating a man. The LGBT community is shockingly dickish about that.

[Izzy]

Originally Posted by choof

I think the thing is that I don't want to identify as bisexual because of the social stigmatism against it.

In a way that is different than the typical dislike for homosexuals?

[adlp]

Originally Posted by choof

I think the thing is that I don't want to identify as bisexual because of the social stigmatism against it.

I'm also not dating or actively seeking out relationships because I'm broke and... fat lmao.

you're probs bi and living in a bigger city so its not as big of a stigmatism as your mind is making it be

[reuben_tate]

Originally Posted by choof

I think the thing is that I don't want to identify as bisexual because of the social stigmatism against it.

I'm also not dating or actively seeking out relationships because I'm broke and... fat lmao.

idk...that seems almost the same as someone trying to not identify as [insert ethnicity/race here] because they don't want to be associated with all the stereotypes that come with it.

[L.B.D.D]

rels

[reuben_tate]

Which brings up the point when it comes to transexuals and such. You here of these "women who are trapped in a man's body" (or vice versa) but perhaps it is moreso "people who are trapped in the body of a gender that has socially constructed gender roles that conflicts with their own." Sometimes I wonder, if gender roles and norms didn't exist anymore, would there be a significant drop in the demand for sexual reassignment?

[devonin]

I think if gender roles and norms didn't exist anymore that there would be a massive upswing in the demand for sexual reassignment, because many trans people would no longer feel constrained from birth to try and ignore or sublimate what they already feel about the inappropriateness of their sex as compared to their gender.

[choof]

Originally Posted by Izzy

In a way that is different than the typical dislike for homosexuals?

it's "slutty"

[dAnceguy117]

Originally Posted by choof

it's "slutty"

does being attracted to both males and females result in having twice as many sexual partners?

what?

who is saying this I want to fight them

[Emanresu13]

Originally Posted by devonin

I think if gender roles and norms didn't exist anymore that there would be a massive upswing in the demand for sexual reassignment, because many trans people would no longer feel constrained from birth to try and ignore or sublimate what they already feel about the inappropriateness of their sex as compared to their gender.

based on what reuben said, where would they get their concept of male or female, and how would they even be able to consider that they might need reassignment?

maybe everyone alive today would cause an increase in reassignment, because gender roles do exist (and people have their notions). but within a few generations, wouldn't it drop?

Originally Posted by dAnceguy117

does being attracted to both males and females result in having twice as many sexual partners?

what?

who is saying this I want to fight them

i'm sayin this let's fight

[devonin]

based on what reuben said, where would they get their concept of male or female, and how would they even be able to consider that they might need reassignment?

Because he didn't say anything about the concept of gender vanishing. He said 'what if gender norms and roles didn't exist' That is, if we didn't classify some things as being feminine and some as being masculine. If we didn't treat firefighting as a Man's job, and secretary as a woman's, etc etc.

That still won't change gender dysmorphia at all, I don't think. This is a fundamental intrinsic, not just a desire to want to be feminine so they want to not have a penis.

I know plenty of trans people who have no intention of sexual reassignment surgery, for various reasons, and plenty who do. It's pretty much never about wanting to not be judged for being a 'woman who wants to do man things' and everything about 'my body is WRONG and I want to fix it"

[tosh]

Originally Posted by devonin

It's pretty much never about wanting to not be judged for being a 'woman who wants to do man things' and everything about 'my body is WRONG and I want to fix it"

Pretty much. You look in the mirror and it's like "asdfjlasdjflsadf I just want to change everything."

Little stuff like "why are my shoulders so broad", "fat, please go to my hips/butt instead of my stomach", "fuck I'm like 8 inches too tall", "go away, facial hair. I don't want you", "WHY IS MY ADAM'S APPLE SO LARGE"

Then there is the added stress of knowing that you may not be remotely satisfied with your future results if you decide to transition.