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[mi40]

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freal doe i have sum frEEe tiem righte nowe (maibe tmrww alseo) so i finish ALLL-da revuewise)

[mi40]

Originally Posted by mi40

favorite daughter (emanresu13) - accept with mentioned fixes
good song choice but there is lots of room for improvement
first off in the heavy chart...
- please step all the sounds, aka 16ths throughout the song that you didn't step, for example: at the intro up to the first cymbal, and instead of stepping parts like 4s ~ 5.5s as three jumps, just step them as normal 16ths notes and layer properly, using jumps only when needed (ex. cymbal sounds, at places like 4.498s, 5.417s, basically at the end of every 3 jumps that you have at the moment)
- 13.233s could probably be a hand, also make sure to step all the sounds that come after
- starting from around the 33s mark, please make to layer all the BANG BOOM cymbal sounds with proper jumps and maybe even hands, it'll fit the song very well
also after the 33s mark you begin to step the 16ths from time to time but you then leave out some 8ths

i think at the moment you were too afraid of the charts being too hard
so i think what you should do keep BOTH charts at the moment and shift them down one difficulty, and create a new HEAVY chart (so you'll have light, standard (the old heavy), and a brand new heavy chart)

you can even copy paste the current heavy chart into the new heavy chart, just make sure to step every sound you hear and layer properly because the cymbals and violin sounds really shouldn't go unstepped

for the win v2 (thesilentlord) - fixes needed
dont know why i didnt point this out before
but for the first ten seconds you have jumps with holds but the only sounds that warrant jumps are ones like drum @ 10.533s and @ 12.584s, the rest should be just singe holds, this goes on til about 37.5seconds

also i think the consistent repeated notes for around from 20.79s to 37s are really unnecessary - the file gets harder after this point so what's the point of stepping barely audible sounds?

- 39s ~ 72s : i would like some pattern variation, esp near 53s ~ 55s (you could probably do something 2-note minijacks here), also for these 30 or so seconds i know you're trying to make the file get harder as it goes on but i think you should just layer all the sounds consistently (drums etc) since it kind of doesnt make sense to be hitting the drums latter 15 seconds of this part and not hitting it for the first 15 seconds

- 73s ~ ending: rework all of the patterns, the jacks when combined with jump+holds are really unfriendly, also make all the holds shorter (dont make them end and make another start right after, give people some room) - also all throughout this part you have some ghost notes and you miss a lot of sounds, look over this part again and tone this down a lot more, make friendlier patterns (one handed trills and a minijack leading into a jump isnt friendly), i know i mentioned that having holds + notes on one hand is hard but so are unfriendly patterns, so i think you can HALVE the length of the holds in this section and because you've halved (you can even cut the holds EVEN MORE) - with this change not only can you open up your chart for MORE PATTERNS, you'll also be able to express the vocals through the holds (the point will get through), but this part seriously needs restepping, put the steps down on 1.0 rate and dont miss obvious sounds

guren no yumiya (thesilentlord) - rejected
i don't see much hope for this kind of song, it's basically the same short melody for like 80 seconds and the vocals are pretty annoying, there are good anime OPs/EDs out there but this isn't one, not to mention the song will pretty much be straight 8th notes with lackluster melodies, this isn't right for the pack!

4.5 (0) - why man why
you probably already know what i'm gonna say
too hard and songs like this should be sent to mad packs instead nichijou is still cool

po pi po (0) - easy chart please
send an easy chart please thanks

screams of roki (roundbox) - accept w/ many fixes needed
(light)
- for the 2 measure breaks like the ones @ 19.8seconds~20.8 seconds, i think you should use holds
- 34.8s~ 39s: the jacks are too much, i think if you used gallops like [34]2 or something it'd be a lot smoother & less of a difficulty spike
(heavy)
- 15s ~ 17s: you miss a lot of cool drumsounds here
- 34.3s: step the drums here! they sound so cool
- 34.8s~ 39s: the jacks are too much in heavy as well, maybe if you did something like [34][12] [12][34] [34][12] ... alternating patterns it might be a lot smoother
- 49s ~ 65s: 3 note jacks are too much i think, think about changing to 3 note trills or a minijack+single note
- 97s: the hold on right arrow with up down trills are too unfriendly, consider switching that to 1212 (left down left down) trills instead
also in the emptier sections of the guitar solos from 70s ~ 94s consider stepping the drums as well since it feels too relaxed compared to the heavier 24th parts of the solos
- 112s: you dont step the bursts like this one throughout the song but i think you should step them!

(oni)
- 41s ~ 48s: the handstream feels unwarranted (cant really hear what the hands go to)
- 49s ~ 65s: the jacks leading into jacks are too much even for oni i think, and the 3-note jacks that are on left/right arrows are kinda hard imo

CONCLUSION: i think you should move oni to edit since it's hard as hell (kinda too hard for the pack) and refine heavy as much as you can since the song is pretty slick, suggestions on heavy kinda apply to other difficulties too

mirror mirror (latest revision) (rcalibergx) - maybe w/ fixes
- first time looking at file, if you're going to do grace notes dont just put 192nds, i learned that the hard way, put them as 4th + 48th or something, 192nds are too unnoticable on stepmania (60fps)
- you missed a note @ 54.916s
- the 1234 1234 rolls @ 56.56s should be 24ths, not 16ths
- another missed note @ 58.204s, these occur throughout file, fix them
- 63s ~ 76s: you keep weaving in and out of 16ths and 8th jumps, dont do this, either dedicate to vocals + 8ths or step all the 16ths, in this case i think you should dedicate layering vocals and 8ths instead of stepping the 16ths, the faster/more exciting parts all have 16ths after this part anyways. - for parts like 63.136s ~ 64.779s just use holds and remove the 16ths, same with 66.423s ~ 67.862s, make sure to step the vocals here
- 91s ~ 98s: you have some misrhythms here.. dont step this part on a low rate, step this on 1.0 rate - the notes you have put down are too faint to hear and dont follow the main beat (for example after the hand @ 91.081s you put 23143 in succession but in reality it should be 23[14][empty 16th space]3 and more.. restep this part
- 99s: cut the song here please, song kind of drags on..

melody circus (latest revision) (shenjoku) - accept w/ more fixes
this song has a lot of potential, just gonna say this first
(heavy)
- you seem afraid to step things as jumps and also afraid to step certain sounds.. don't be afraid, i think you should deviate from the main melody (you step basically the main melody only) but this song has a swing feel to it so you should definitely weave in and out of the main melody in certain sections
- for example, 18.606 ~ 19.3s you leave out a huge chunk of the music to nothingness, dont be afraid to step those sounds in heavy since this song is upbeat and energetic anyways
- layer some jumps (not as often as oni) but still put jumps in the emptier sections of this chart
- 131 ~ 140s: you miss a lot of cool sounds here (prob on purpose since you stepped them in oni), but you should still step these because otherwise the chart feels too empty (even as heavy)
you could alternatively put this as the LIGHT chart and layer the current HEAVY chart to be a bit harder with at least SOME jumps and a bit more layering with added instruments that you didn't step.. kind of like a crossover between current ONI / HEAVY chart (except current heavy will become new LIGHT chart)
- fade the song out @ 140s, 2 minutes is good enough and the song repeats for a good minute after this anyways
(oni)
- pretty nice as is.. but i wish you found some places to place minijacks.. 55s ~ 64s seems like a fantastic candidate for some minijacks (along with sounds that you didnt step, the ones before the jumpholds)

hajimari no resolution (xelnya) - accept w/ fixes
song is kinda like guren no yumiya (jpop, op, ed anime song) BUT this song has merit since you have some nice guitar
- the jumpjacks that have hands before or after them are a definite nono, but otherwise heavy chart is fine
- the standard chart should definitely focus more on the instruments, and let go of the vocals for the exciting drums, what i mean by this is swap out parts that step vocal only to step the fun drum sounds (could make for fun minijacks here and there, same case with guitar (ex. 21.9s ~ 31.377s, the swing guitar sounds much more fun to hit than the mundane 8th vocal notes that aren't even holds), also dont be afraid to add more notes & jumps in the standard chart. this is an upbeat song and the chart should be as well
fix these and we should be good to go

quartz quadrant (mrtea) - accept w/ fixes
(light / beginner)
- chart feels lackluster and isn't right for this type of upbeat song imo, take it out
(standard)
- i dont know about the rolls on the standard chart.. iirc they dont work properly on 3.95, i think you should take them out anyways and replace them with 12th trills (not as fast as 16ths but still makes sense)
- this is jazzy and definitely has a swingy feel.. for parts like 16.86s ~ 21.5s, include swings with a single 8th note + jumps instead of plain jumps, this should be applied to the rest of the chart
- you could use some holds in this chart for the higher pitched parts like 25.203s, maybe even a hand (applies to rest of chart since it repeats a lot) (basically the occasional really loud cymbal/snare should have a hand for emphasis)
- 40s - 41.889s: step some 24ths here to give the chart a little fun spike
- latter half of chart looks good
- cut chart @ 100.288s with a hand or something since it repeats the entire thing again
(heavy)
- instead of 16th trills you should have 1234 4321 1324 4231 1243 or some kind of roll, the 4 note trills @ 230bpm are pretty darn fast
- 15.557s ~ 16.86s: easy on the jumpjacks, this is at 230bpm.
- follow suggestions from standard chart review (esp. jazz + swing recommendation)
- utilize holds, make the emptier parts with just simple jumps harder with my swing suggestion
- 65s ~ 67s: easy on the jumpjacks, too much of a difficulty spike @ 230bpm!
- 65s ~ end: don't be afraid to layer more stuff during the holds, this is your heavy chart.
- 75s ~ 100s: could probably utilize some minijacks here and there to spice things up a bit in comparison to the much faster paced beginning

our turn (mrtea) - accept w/ minor fixes
(heavy)
remove this chart, too hard for pack (or you can put it as edit, idc)
(standard)
- great stuff, just change the rolls since they dont work on 3.9/3.95 into holds.
- you could probably layer in more jumps from beginning ~ 63s since it's really empty anyways, i recommend you do so (so that players dont get bored too easily)
- add more holds yo, and you could prob cut the song @ 95s, the last 30 seconds kind of drag on.
(light)
- utilize jumps if possible, otherwise chart is fine
(beginner)
remove chart please, way too simple for such a fast song







i finish rest tmrw keep those submissions comin guys

[Kraezymann]

Originally Posted by Mollocephalus

why arent u testing my file.............

Yeah me too?

EDIT Nevermind I didn't see the tomorrow part

[TheSilentLord]

Originally Posted by mi40

for the win v2 (thesilentlord) - fixes needed
dont know why i didnt point this out before
but for the first ten seconds you have jumps with holds but the only sounds that warrant jumps are ones like drum @ 10.533s and @ 12.584s, the rest should be just singe holds, this goes on til about 37.5seconds

also i think the consistent repeated notes for around from 20.79s to 37s are really unnecessary - the file gets harder after this point so what's the point of stepping barely audible sounds?

- 39s ~ 72s : i would like some pattern variation, esp near 53s ~ 55s (you could probably do something 2-note minijacks here), also for these 30 or so seconds i know you're trying to make the file get harder as it goes on but i think you should just layer all the sounds consistently (drums etc) since it kind of doesnt make sense to be hitting the drums latter 15 seconds of this part and not hitting it for the first 15 seconds

- 73s ~ ending: rework all of the patterns, the jacks when combined with jump+holds are really unfriendly, also make all the holds shorter (dont make them end and make another start right after, give people some room) - also all throughout this part you have some ghost notes and you miss a lot of sounds, look over this part again and tone this down a lot more, make friendlier patterns (one handed trills and a minijack leading into a jump isnt friendly), i know i mentioned that having holds + notes on one hand is hard but so are unfriendly patterns, so i think you can HALVE the length of the holds in this section and because you've halved (you can even cut the holds EVEN MORE) - with this change not only can you open up your chart for MORE PATTERNS, you'll also be able to express the vocals through the holds (the point will get through), but this part seriously needs restepping, put the steps down on 1.0 rate and dont miss obvious sounds

I think i can agree about the beginning. But I'm getting a bit of mixed signals from the middle and end. Last time you thought that a jack was too much but now you recommended using some. Similarly, you commented on the v1 that the layering at 73s-end was fine but after i did the changes you recommended (only changing the placement of some notes so they wouldn't be on the same hand as the hold) it suddenly isn't anymore? I'm not quite sure what you think is the problem with this part but i'll play a bit more with it to see how it'll go.

[DefTeaMachine]

Originally Posted by mi40

[b]quartz quadrant (mrtea) - accept w/ fixes
(light / beginner)
- chart feels lackluster and isn't right for this type of upbeat song imo, take it out

So all those people that are just getting into the game dont get to enjoy the song? Even if its a little boring for an experienced player no one thats just getting into the game can play the harder difficulties. Maybe someone would use this pack to introduce their little brother to stepmania or something.

Anyways, I touched up both the charts, and Our Turn has 5 charts instead of 4 due to heavy being bumped to edit, both beginners have had a difficulty bump, QQ's easy also had a bump, and both songs have been cut.

[Mollocephalus]

reviewed all submitted files up to this point

Clumsy thoughts - accepted
include the older chart as oni and it's good to go!

Favourite Daughter - edit it
First of all, this song doesn't give much to work with. However it's pretty short and could make into a decent file. Pitch relevancy is completely off and patterns are very freeform. you can make a harder difficulty other than these two following all the sounds, there aren't many anyway. You haven't accented big clashes and drum beats recurring in some areas. The chart as it is is uninspired, bland and empty, you can simplify what you follow to make easier charts while still reproducing the most prominent sounds and patterns occurring in the melody. A little note: why would you end an easy chart with a quad? lol.

For The win - edit it
Nothing memorable happens in the song, however the chart(s) fail to accent the progression of intensity and the different drum patterns happening in it. With a much better accuracy on how the patterns are structured in relationship to the music, something good may come out of it. Try to make a more careful revision.

Guren no yumiya - accepted with fixes
This file does a pretty good job conveying the song's feel while being easy, but i want you to check your consistency on the jump usage. Some sounds could have been better accented. Having an harder chart for this would be ideal. I like what you did and with a few touchups it should be good to go.

Hajimari no resolution - accepted with fixes
The way you stepped the song is a bit too rigid, and can you tell me why did you put 95 as bpm when this song is clearly 190? It plays well, isn't too long and overall it's already enjoyable. I think you can work on pattern choices to make it flow a bit better. The easy chart is stupidly watered down, with a lot of freeform 8ths and a lot of annoying and out of place difficulty peaks. I want you to make the easier chart having in mind the limitations of a beginner playing this pack, try to make the challenge more homogeneous throughout the song. On the harder chart you can be more accurate and go for some more layering but keep an eye on the manifold usage, it feels like it's a bit too much.

Melody Circus - accept w/ minor fixes and cut
The chart is so much better now! but it drags on far too long to be enjoyable, especially considering there are a lot of repetitive melodies. There are some mistakes here and there which i'll later pick one by one so you can fix them - i'll also provide you a cut version of the song.

Our turn - accept with cut and some fixes
the first half of the song is terribly boring, adds nothing to the chart, and also sounds like crap. around halfway the file starts to become really fun and that's why this HAS to be cut. There are some questionable layering choices here and there and some loud noises aren't accented as they should, imo. Also in many spots it feels using only 8ths and occasional 48ths doesn't do the cut, and tapping to these notes doesn't feel like following these strange sounding beats, which are probably more colored notes. Revise it please, it's a good file and should be in the pack.

Quartz quadrant - edit it
what's the point in minimalistic stepping if you then add these jumpgluts all ore the place? this file needs a better layering and a sync revision.

scream of [roki] - accepted with edits
i'm sorry but although technically this is correctly stepped, the oni chart is just NOT fun at all. Hitting a bunch of low speed jacks for, collectively summing begging and end, almost half of the song is a horrible idea. Could use more layering and some better patterns in the 24ths. This has a lot of potential. Bring it on. On heavy chart what you made jacks aren't really jacks. You could use this approach to oni chart but check well which patterns to us for which sounds. The easier charts are good but be careful of difficulty spikes. I like this, fix it up and resubmit it

Symbolic - edit it
I like the approach you went with, however some of the patterns aren't the best choices for these melodies, and the climax the song provides is absolutely absent in the steps, making it more and more bland to play throughout the song. Song gives a lot of stuff to work with. You have to pick carefully what to step so you don't make the chart too dense, but the at the same time the progression should be clearly reflected by an increase in intensity towards the end. This chart is quite interned, having an easier one and a harder one would be ideal. The gfx just need a text repositioning, send me the psd and i'll do it for you.

[rCaliberGX]

Originally Posted by mi40

mirror mirror (latest revision) (rcalibergx) - maybe w/ fixes
- first time looking at file, if you're going to do grace notes dont just put 192nds, i learned that the hard way, put them as 4th + 48th or something, 192nds are too unnoticable on stepmania (60fps)
I guess I can do that. When I run it through DDReam and put clap on it feels a bit late on 48ths, but it sounds fine when it's a 4th leading to a 96th. Is that fine? At that speed, 96ths are noticeable (at least to me).

- you missed a note @ 54.916s
That was intentional, because I heard a short break in the string bass I was following with the 8th notes. Same thing with 58.204, but I don't know if other people will notice this so I added the 8th note back in.

- the 1234 1234 rolls @ 56.56s should be 24ths, not 16ths
Agreed, and done.

- another missed note @ 58.204s, these occur throughout file, fix them
See the note about 54.916.

- 63s ~ 76s: you keep weaving in and out of 16ths and 8th jumps, dont do this, either dedicate to vocals + 8ths or step all the 16ths, in this case i think you should dedicate layering vocals and 8ths instead of stepping the 16ths, the faster/more exciting parts all have 16ths after this part anyways.
This is what the Heavy chart is doing, for the most part. The string 8ths are 16th running men, and the offbeat 4ths are 8ths with connecting jumps. I copy/pasted the Heavy steps here to the Oni chart.

- for parts like 63.136s ~ 64.779s just use holds and remove the 16ths, same with 66.423s ~ 67.862s, make sure to step the vocals here
Done but I feel a bit iffy on 63.136-64.779. The striking of the crash in that roll is percievable as 24ths, but I feel that a 16th trill would do fine, as a 24th trill would be an uneven difficulty spike. Alternatively, I could use a roll instead of a hold, but that would alienate the people using 3.9, though I think most people using 3.9 have either moved on to 3.95 or SM5 by now.

- 91s ~ 98s: you have some misrhythms here.. dont step this part on a low rate, step this on 1.0 rate - the notes you have put down are too faint to hear and dont follow the main beat (for example after the hand @ 91.081s you put 23143 in succession but in reality it should be 23[14][empty 16th space]3 and more.. restep this part
Yeah, this is probably the hardest part of the song to step for me.

- 99s: cut the song here please, song kind of drags on..
:c It's the best part of the song though, and it's a good break between the streams and 8th handstream. Besides, if I cut it, the transition will sound awkward.

Do you guys mind if I place an edit chart which is the same as Oni, but layers the vocals in the last stream?

[Kraezymann]

Originally Posted by Mollocephalus

Symbolic - edit it
I like the approach you went with, however some of the patterns aren't the best choices for these melodies, and the climax the song provides is absolutely absent in the steps, making it more and more bland to play throughout the song. Song gives a lot of stuff to work with. You have to pick carefully what to step so you don't make the chart too dense, but the at the same time the progression should be clearly reflected by an increase in intensity towards the end. This chart is quite interned, having an easier one and a harder one would be ideal. The gfx just need a text repositioning, send me the psd and i'll do it for you.

I don't have the wip file anymore... plus I use GIMP so its probably gonna have to be completely redone

As for the file, I'll try to figure something out. This is the first time I've really submitted anything for a pack so I'm not quite sure what I'm doing lol. I understand making it more difficult towards the end, so I'll definitely give something a try.

[Mollocephalus]

I'm not talking about making it arbitrarily difficult, what i mean is layer some more towards the end to have a better sense of climax!

as for the gfx, as long as you provide source images and font used we can do it from scratch.

[mi40]

Originally Posted by DefTeaMachine

So all those people that are just getting into the game dont get to enjoy the song? Even if its a little boring for an experienced player no one thats just getting into the game can play the harder difficulties. Maybe someone would use this pack to introduce their little brother to stepmania or something.

Anyways, I touched up both the charts, and Our Turn has 5 charts instead of 4 due to heavy being bumped to edit, both beginners have had a difficulty bump, QQ's easy also had a bump, and both songs have been cut.

yes the pack is meant for easier songs, but there are songs to put 150 notes to and songs to put 500 notes to, quartz quadrant is gosh darn fast, so thank you for the changes

Originally Posted by TheSilentLord

I think i can agree about the beginning. But I'm getting a bit of mixed signals from the middle and end. Last time you thought that a jack was too much but now you recommended using some. Similarly, you commented on the v1 that the layering at 73s-end was fine but after i did the changes you recommended (only changing the placement of some notes so they wouldn't be on the same hand as the hold) it suddenly isn't anymore? I'm not quite sure what you think is the problem with this part but i'll play a bit more with it to see how it'll go.

comparing v1 to v2, it seems that my suggestion has severely limited your pattern choice so instead now i recommend cutting the holds down to half its current length or even more to open up pattern choice
the layering is still fine, in my review i recommended reworking patterns by cutting down the holds, just try it and see how it goes

also about the jack, you had a 5+ note 16th jack.. i told you to remove that, and you did (which is good) - now i'm talking about 2-note minijacks that dont lead into a jump & don't put a burden on the player like the 5+ note jack you had before

Originally Posted by rCaliberGX

Do you guys mind if I place an edit chart which is the same as Oni, but layers the vocals in the last stream?

- you missed a note @ 54.916s
That was intentional, because I heard a short break in the string bass I was following with the 8th notes. Same thing with 58.204, but I don't know if other people will notice this so I added the 8th note back in.

- for parts like 63.136s ~ 64.779s just use holds and remove the 16ths, same with 66.423s ~ 67.862s, make sure to step the vocals here
Done but I feel a bit iffy on 63.136-64.779. The striking of the crash in that roll is percievable as 24ths, but I feel that a 16th trill would do fine, as a 24th trill would be an uneven difficulty spike. Alternatively, I could use a roll instead of a hold, but that would alienate the people using 3.9, though I think most people using 3.9 have either moved on to 3.95 or SM5 by now.

- 63s ~ 76s: you keep weaving in and out of 16ths and 8th jumps, dont do this, either dedicate to vocals + 8ths or step all the 16ths, in this case i think you should dedicate layering vocals and 8ths instead of stepping the 16ths, the faster/more exciting parts all have 16ths after this part anyways.
This is what the Heavy chart is doing, for the most part. The string 8ths are 16th running men, and the offbeat 4ths are 8ths with connecting jumps. I copy/pasted the Heavy steps here to the Oni chart.

that would be fine yes but you would have to spice up other parts as well (since it's edit)

also you should still remove the grace notes since most newer players will go "wtf why is this 2 diff colors"

the missed note should really be put, there are very audible sounds to the main melody which means you can't just ignore those sounds

keep the trill from 63.136s ~ 64.779s, trust me

for 63~76s on heavy chart: i still think you should remove the runningmen and just step this part to the background violin + drums since from 76s and on you have 16ths that are very audible and more prominent than the sounds you chose to step 16ths to from 63-76s

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by Mollocephalus

Hajimari no resolution - accepted with fixes
The way you stepped the song is a bit too rigid, and can you tell me why did you put 95 as bpm when this song is clearly 190? It plays well, isn't too long and overall it's already enjoyable. I think you can work on pattern choices to make it flow a bit better. The easy chart is stupidly watered down, with a lot of freeform 8ths and a lot of annoying and out of place difficulty peaks. I want you to make the easier chart having in mind the limitations of a beginner playing this pack, try to make the challenge more homogeneous throughout the song. On the harder chart you can be more accurate and go for some more layering but keep an eye on the manifold usage, it feels like it's a bit too much.

On the question of the BPM: if increased to the proper BPM, the chart would be aesthetically poor I think. With most everything being quarters or eighths, it just doesn't quite look correct. I'd prefer on a personal level to leave it as is, but I'll change it if I must. I'll try to clean up the patterns, difficulty peaks, and the easier difficulty.

Mi40, should I double the BPM or leave it as it is? I'd rather have your insight here before I resubmit it next.

I appreciate the feedback, thank you.

[mi40]

i dont mind you changing the bpm, aesthetics in terms of color isnt a big issue for easier files so go ahead and change the bpm like necros said since the file is 190

[TC_Halogen]

I'm still trying to get a grasp of what the upper bound limits are in terms of difficulty, because I have a few songs I would like to chart but have no idea if they're going to end up within range.

EDIT: @ Xel: when it comes to easier files, it's better to use the simplest quantized rhythm, because newer players aren't quite accustomed to more complex rhythms.

[mi40]

any chart that is around VC-FMO area on the ffr scale should be oni/edit
we're looking for anything below VC, preferably 2-8 on old scale of 1-12

[Wayward Vagabond]

g-damn so many judges here rofl

[mi40]

nah necros/i decide what goes into paq

(btw i be stepinge for rap/hip hop, kinda busy doe..)

[Wayward Vagabond]

o ok

(its cool ive been busy too rofl i got fiels for this pack tho dont trip)

[rCaliberGX]

Originally Posted by mi40

that would be fine yes but you would have to spice up other parts as well (since it's edit)

also you should still remove the grace notes since most newer players will go "wtf why is this 2 diff colors"

the missed note should really be put, there are very audible sounds to the main melody which means you can't just ignore those sounds

keep the trill from 63.136s ~ 64.779s, trust me

for 63~76s on heavy chart: i still think you should remove the runningmen and just step this part to the background violin + drums since from 76s and on you have 16ths that are very audible and more prominent than the sounds you chose to step 16ths to from 63-76s

I'll quantize the grace notes in Heavy, and leave them as it is in Edit and Oni. IMO once you're at the skill level to be able to do Oni and Edit, I think they should be able to interpret what they are and what they indicate.

I already placed the 8th notes back in as soon as I read the post.

Would a 16th stream from 63-76s be overdoing it for an Edit chart?

Just to clarify: The runningmen stream should be simplified in Heavy only correct? I copy/pasted it into Oni, which used to be the stream with 8th note jumpgluts. ATM in DDReam, both charts have 8ths + vocals in that section.

Should the trill be 16th, 24ths, or 16ths leading to 24ths? I'm thinking of the latter, as the crash roll gets louder.

[TC_Halogen]

Originally Posted by mi40

any chart that is around VC-FMO area on the ffr scale should be oni/edit
we're looking for anything below VC, preferably 2-8 on old scale of 1-12

Oh wow! Alright, yeah -- I think I have some songs that will be perfect for this.

I'll start with Innocence of Silence by NC ft. NRG Factory -- good old DDR songs

[mi40]

Originally Posted by rCaliberGX

I'll quantize the grace notes in Heavy, and leave them as it is in Edit and Oni. IMO once you're at the skill level to be able to do Oni and Edit, I think they should be able to interpret what they are and what they indicate.

I already placed the 8th notes back in as soon as I read the post.

Would a 16th stream from 63-76s be overdoing it for an Edit chart?

Just to clarify: The runningmen stream should be simplified in Heavy only correct? I copy/pasted it into Oni, which used to be the stream with 8th note jumpgluts. ATM in DDReam, both charts have 8ths + vocals in that section.

Should the trill be 16th, 24ths, or 16ths leading to 24ths? I'm thinking of the latter, as the crash roll gets louder.

grace notes are good now since the song is low bpm, gj on that

for edit 16th streams should be totally fine

and yes runningmen stream should be simplified in heavy only

the trill @ 64.66s on ONI is fine as 24ths, the trill @ 87.5s on oni should be three 24th notes and the trill @ 89s should be 24ths not 32nds
i also noticed you didn't step the drums correctly from 65s ~ 66.45s on both charts, fix this!

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

Oh wow! Alright, yeah -- I think I have some songs that will be perfect for this.

I'll start with Innocence of Silence by NC ft. NRG Factory -- good old DDR songs

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