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Old 05-24-2013, 02:26 AM   #381
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Default Re: TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

after reading through 120+ posts, I have come to the following conclusion:

freaky and V are not red/red

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Old 05-24-2013, 02:31 AM   #382
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The reason why I haven't voted for Zoshi yet is because people refuse to take me seriously if I continue to vote for him. This is why I voted vic instead.
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Old 05-24-2013, 02:41 AM   #384
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I am also rational and ready to play twg.
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Old 05-24-2013, 02:48 AM   #385
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Default Re: TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

Finished reading through the thread

Freaky has condemned half the playerbase as useless and the other half is voting for him. How can he be a wolf when there isn't an ounce of support for him?

I currently would be okay seeing Danceguy Lynched today, as an alternative to yoman/freaky.

Between freaky and Yoman I'd vote for yoman.

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Old 05-24-2013, 02:55 AM   #386
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Sidenote, assuming Cedolad is a full vigi, we are in the realms of 3 scum roles.
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Old 05-24-2013, 03:05 AM   #387
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First of all, the question you asked me a few posts back interrupted me in the writing of my post, be sure to check page 19 and read it since I do clear out of the way a lot of your arguments. Most of my post were only observations on how you played, which can add up as suitable evidence, and while I might not take any stance on your case (which was the case earlier in my analysis), I am mainly taking the time to explain why your own arguments have failed earlier. Seeing how you respond only reinforces my main argument. This is a really strong reaction from someone who has been pretty calm under the spotlight. May you be town or not, this is an odd reactionary defense.

And by the way, if my argument on lynching bad players is invalid, then your counter-argument is pretty crappy too. Bad skilled players might be a disadvantage, but it does not necessarily mean they're not useful to the team. What if blues and greens are mostly unexperienced players in this case? I know you're only contributing to the discussion on them, but you should know that these type of strategies are not constantly viable, and can be used to manipulate choices on desired players. You're not pushing a lynch, and there might be good reasons.

I did not joke about my question about a wolf's way of communicating, this was all very serious. TWG takes a lot of my time. I asked it mainly because I didn't want to make too much analysis out of posts. (Look at my earlier analysis and tell I don't play this seriously). I realize now that I should have PM'ed Fojar about it, but it had just popped in my head at the time. Now, if you want to see it as a way of me asking the question and using it as a plan later. I'll only say to you that I don't have the experience required to attempt such a complex tactic. Plus, with Manti stating how difficult it is, I don't believe I would have passed under the radar of other veterans. At least now by asking, we acknowledge the fact that it can happen and are ready to be on the lookout for it.

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Wolves already know what I would cardflip as, and definitely do not want to be the last few people jumping on this wagon without any sort of absolute evidence of me being a wolf.
Dude, I'm really having trouble understanding you. I believe you mean that if I was a wolf I would wait until later to lynch you? That barely makes any sense to me, if I was a wolf, I'd be smart and probably be the first one on your ass. You stand as a very controversial player (from what I saw last game), and it is easy to cast a bandwagon on you. (proof, it's probably a case of wolfing this time).
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Old 05-24-2013, 03:09 AM   #388
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Dude... are you serious?
That's really just a suggestion for a more personal and subjective choice, anyone else is fine really. Guards should know at this point who is more beneficial to their team.

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How can he be a wolf when there isn't an ounce of support for him?
Partners trying to avoid attention by doing pushes in other directions? With the lack of communication, it's also hard for wolves to coordinate themselves. The other "useless" half of the playerbase might even be wolves that do not know how to save their friend. I think you know better.
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Default Re: TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

Yo freaky, I enjoy these types of confrontation, but I'm going to sleep right now, don't expect an answer from me until later. It's like 3:18 AM here.
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This is a really strong reaction from someone who has been pretty calm under the spotlight. May you be town or not, this is an odd reactionary defense.
Do you listen to yourself talk or pay attention to what is going on in the thread? I kept my composure long enough. Jrodd doing that shit then logging really pissed me off. Especially what he posted.

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And by the way, if my argument on lynching bad players is invalid, then your counter-argument is pretty crappy too.
I'm okay with lynching bad players, I'm also looking for wolves. Stop ignoring what I am saying.

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Dude, I'm really having trouble understanding you. I believe you mean that if I was a wolf I would wait until later to lynch you? That barely makes any sense to me, if I was a wolf, I'd be smart and probably be the first one on your ass. You stand as a very controversial player (from what I saw last game), and it is easy to cast a bandwagon on you. (proof, it's probably a case of wolfing this time).
You can't vote me right now. There is no evidence. Actually I have done nothing controversial until I called V out. Tell me if you were a wolf, when you would have been "the first one on my ass".
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Default Re: TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

sorry for the delay, wasnt feeling well.

VOTECOUNT: Day 1 (ends Monday 8 PM EST)

freaky (4): yoman, jrodd, V, AC1
yoman (2): zoshi, freaky
Manti (2): TPS, jayde
zoshi (1): dance
viccica (1): James
James (1): viccica
jayde (1): cedo
dance (1): Manti

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Old 05-24-2013, 04:19 AM   #392
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jayde. Here, I'll give you a reason to vote for me. Doesn't matter. Worth trading myself to getting you and AC1 out of the game. You guys can go flip me.
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Old 05-24-2013, 06:38 AM   #393
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You guys have to much to say day 1. I don't understand how you can say so much and have so much solid info.

You also talk to much when I sleep, no more double posting or triple posting or quadriple posting or anything more than 1 post plleeeeease.


I'm going to read this thread again later. I'll hopefully have something decent to say.
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Old 05-24-2013, 07:07 AM   #394
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Default Re: TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

Hey Manti how would you expect freaky to play if he were a wolf?

Also the support argument is moot here. He is so all over the place and there has been pushes and rationalizations of his behavior. This is not similar to the zoshi situation.

That post of cedolads you pointed out wasn't really breadcrumbing. "If I were a wolf I would" is a pretty common and strong tell with new wolves. Alain still does this as a wolf when he is being lazy. He responded to it in a way that was not outside what you expect.

Oh yeah and freaky lied while trying to turn cedolads reveal against me and then immediately after that stated he was convinced he WASN'T the vigilante.

I understand stream of conciousness posting and you are using that in his defense but the stream is pretty bad.

Cedolad and freaky are easily the strongest lynch candidates still. Since cedolad has put himself in a situation where we can't lynch him, we should lynch freaky.

You need to contribute more analysis of danceguy. Can't wrap my head around your perspective.
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Alright, time to look through this.


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come on man. ask for a replacement if you aren't able to play, or find time to play. don't be greedy.

your post tomorrow better be goddamn good. on the level with what crazyjayde did.
Sorry about that, didn't realize that made me look greedy @_@

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nah I obviously can't defend myself when something gets thrown my way without making an ass of myself. I try to make smarter plays rather than just the usual throw shit into a thread and hope for the best, and I end up in a bigger hole. Not gonna stress myself trying to defend myself over my own stupidity. Have other things to worry about.

and fyi I did have a strategy.
Not sure what to make of you yet. I mean I haven't given the thread a full read aside from skimming through the important pages but it looks like that you're either vigi or SK. Like I said, NOT sure until I give it a full read and a larger analysis of you. But there's just something about this post that bugs me...like I said, I'll have to reread through this entire thread to know for sure.

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You are arguing that my reason for lynching inactive/retarded players is invalid, the posts we should use vigi on zoshi??? wtf?
It is invalid. I mean seriously, why would that be logical at any point in time? It's hard to grasp on the logic that you're trying to put on is just...qpeiowopqei. I understand where you are coming from with this but I just don't see any necessity to lynch them. I mean there is a slight moment when they might be doing UTR play, and the fact that you are insistent on lynching either me, vic, or zoshi (as part of that hub of "inactive/retarded players"). BUT, last game you were insistent on lynching Zoshi, which happened to be our guard and you only judged on the aspect of the posts. There's more to judge the alignment of a player than just how they post. Yeah the way they post can give off fine details on which alignment they are in but you have to pay attention to the finer details man.

Keeping my eye on your posts. You're giving me headaches just trying to comprehend the fallacies in your reasoning. If you want to, I'll be glad to quote up on all of the important posts that you made and dissect all of them to show that your reasoning is in shambles.

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You guys have to much to say day 1. I don't understand how you can say so much and have so much solid info.

You also talk to much when I sleep, no more double posting or triple posting or quadriple posting or anything more than 1 post plleeeeease.


I'm going to read this thread again later. I'll hopefully have something decent to say.
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In all seriousness, you're random. Hard to pick out what you are. Starting from the ~*~*~*~*~DrAmAtIc EnTrAnCe~*~*~*~*~ post that you did to now. Come on man, you are breaking me.

Other stuff
(Just a few minor analysis on other players, not all the players are lumped in this post. Will give full analysis of them when I have a chance tonight.)

Viccica: It seems that she's innactive since she hasn't answered my question on why she want to resume where we left off when I was about to be insta'd that game.

danceguy: hmm...claiming that v and freaky aren't red? Do explain. I'm curious.

AC1: Leaning towards villager. First game playing with him so I really can't tell his playstyle and whatnot

jayde: leaning towards villager, his analysis posts are clear and understandable to read. Though the choice to guard zoshi for Night 1? Not sure

Manti: Leaning towards villager. I wouldn't be surprised if he was a blue again.

I know this post looks a bit rushed but I'll go thoroughly through everyone either within the hour or tonight (tonight more likely since I have stuff to do today and this is the only time when I have to get on here in the morning...)

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Old 05-24-2013, 09:51 AM   #396
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V, I don't want you to have the idea that I made any type of mistake when I called you out, but your head is too far up your ass for you to understand this. I'm going to say this one last time, I never believed in cedo's vigi claim. In the last game we played together, you immediately called me out start of Day 2 for a very stupid reason. This, plus you have never faced any aggression in the thread and also seeing how you refuse to follow any type of logic as of right now, there should be when you start saying you are absolutely sure someone is wolf.

Since there is no hope into talking any sense into someone with his head up his ass, I need detailed responses from AC1 and Jrodd on why I should be lynched. If they don't post this, I have no further contributions.
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I'm not absolutely sure, but by your own strategy you are the perfect lynch candidate. You are a weak player, doing suspicious shit, who made some wolfy fuckin plays, that I literally cannot tell if you are human or wolf.

Besides that you are a huge waste of time and in the vacuum we are in on day one you are looking incredibly appealing as a lynch target. I assume full responsibility for your card flip.

That fact that you cannot, even for a second, understand my perspective means you are either a wolf or a pathological liar. My perspective is pretty clear. I've said it three or four times. Just like I explained what I found wolfy about cedolad three or four times.
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I don't think freaky and V are both red

because

they have talked to each other directly. A lot. Like, enough to fill up 5 pages. Their arguments don't seem forced. Also, staging an argument during this first phase would be tough, considering wolves can't talk to each other outside of the thread. Also, V has pushed for a freaky lynch.

Red/red would be highly, highly unlikely.


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You also talk to much when I sleep, no more double posting or triple posting or quadriple posting or anything more than 1 post plleeeeease.


I'm going to read this thread again later. I'll hopefully have something decent to say.
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v, wtf are you even talking about. this was also why i said you had no good reason to be lynching cedo. how about you gain an outside perspective and stop feeling confident that two people backed up your arrogance without any reason. i didn't give a shit about day 1 last game, and i don't give a shit about day 1 this game. i just wanted to piss you off and im happy i did it.
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V. I understand your perspective perfectly. You are trying to make a point in the thread that whoever votes for you sustains so much pressure from this one example that no one would do it again.

Notice you you made a HUGE DEAL out of something I've dropped ever since we started this? The only reason why this has not been dropped yet is AC1 and Jrodd's bandwagon, and now jayde passively supporting this. Ever wonder why you are getting so much support for no reason?

I suggest lynching ac1 and jayde after I get flipped and leave V alone and just assume he is a confused person being taken advantage of.
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