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Old 02-19-2013, 08:16 PM   #21
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I'm using 1.5 speed on most songs at the moment.
I play spread on D, F, J and K
Good to hear you're doing spread, that's a huge step towards being able to do jumpstream. One hand makes js pretty tough.
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Old 02-19-2013, 08:41 PM   #22
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Good to hear you're doing spread, that's a huge step towards being able to do jumpstream. One hand makes js pretty tough.
Yeah i abandoned 1 handed long ago. Way too difficult for me.
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Old 02-19-2013, 08:42 PM   #23
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Man it seems like I'm not having any luck with jump streaming. :\ The picture dictionary only said stuff that I already knew, definitions and such. Is there an in-depth guide to just jumpstreams or something?
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Old 02-19-2013, 08:46 PM   #24
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There are some techniques to hitting certain patterns that can be verbally described, such as with jacks you move your wrist up and down, placing the thumb on the index/middle finger for support.
I don't think it's that easy for jumpstream. Focus hard on the placement of each of the jumps, since the streams themselves will be already in your muscle memory (from what I could see in the replay). Improvement comes from repetition and it might come slowly. If you really don't feel anything from playing Etude to a Dragon, try looking for a slightly easier jumpstream song.
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:05 PM   #25
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There are some techniques to hitting certain patterns that can be verbally described, such as with jacks you move your wrist up and down, placing the thumb on the index/middle finger for support.
I don't think it's that easy for jumpstream. Focus hard on the placement of each of the jumps, since the streams themselves will be already in your muscle memory (from what I could see in the replay). Improvement comes from repetition and it might come slowly. If you really don't feel anything from playing Etude to a Dragon, try looking for a slightly easier jumpstream song.
I found a low level jumpstream song suggested on an old thread that I feel better about. It's doable while not easy.
http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...replay/201057/
There's my replay. Do you know any other songs at about this difficulty level of jump stream? I think that's what I need to practice on.
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:14 PM   #26
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Default Re: How does anyone do jumpsteps?

how to get good at jumpstreaming

strep 1: play lots of songs with jumpstreams
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:30 PM   #27
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Etude to a Dragon is a pretty good introduction to jumpstream song... you can also try Seven.

Everyone gave pretty good tips, but you mostly just gotta get used to the patterns and how to read/hit them properly.. practice practice practice!
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Wow, I put jumpsteps in the title and not jump streams. :\

I thought I was pretty good at this game until I realized jumpstreams ran rampant in all the "actually difficult" songs. I've tried and tried to learn jumpstreams but I can't do it. Does anyone have any tips, or know of any songs that are good for learning and mastering jump streams?

I hit streams just fine but toss a jump or god forbid a triple/quadruple step in there and I mash my keyboard until the song fails.
Find a file that has low density, but steady jumps during stream and whore it until your hands can make the right motion for it. For Stepmania I used a Death Moon file that had a jump every measure, not sure what the best equivalent is in FFR. Also, don't expect to see immediate improvement - you will have to sleep on it at least once.

EDIT: {Frozen} might be an ok song - it's got a lot of jumps, but it's slow and the patterns are straight forward
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:38 PM   #29
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Look closer to the receptors and try not to focus too much on information that doesn't matter -- alternatively, use a slightly higher speedmod.

Spastic mashing means you have a problem with reading.
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You learn to recognize basic jumpstream patterns if you play over and over again.
But as I said already, you can't recognize it well when you're in the midst of playing. It's better to view a replay, study the jumpstreams at your own pace, make sense of them with the song, and then finally try it out. If you want to play and learn without thorough analysis however, a slower jumpstream song or a simpler jumpstream pattern (e.g. maybe a jump at every second 4th beat) will make this a slightly less confusing endeavor.

Simply put, take things one step at a time. You'll get there soon, KaBlammo.


Once you do recognize jumpstream patterns well enough that you don't need to consistently rely on the song, and rather on visual cues, then you should really look into Reincarnate's advice of looking closer to the arrow receptors, and hitting according to what you see rather than trying to interpret the patterns. This is especially true on very fast and dense files.

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Old 02-20-2013, 01:42 PM   #31
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But as I said already, you can't recognize it well when you're in the midst of playing. It's better to view a replay, study the jumpstreams at your own pace, make sense of them with the song, and then finally try it out. If you want to play and learn without thorough analysis however, a slower jumpstream song or a simpler jumpstream pattern (e.g. maybe a jump at every second 4th beat) will make this a slightly less confusing endeavor.

Simply put, take things one step at a time. You'll get there soon, KaBlammo.


Once you do recognize jumpstream patterns well enough that you don't need to consistently rely on the song, and rather on visual cues, then you should really look into Reincarnate's advice of looking closer to the arrow receptors, and hitting according to what you see rather than trying to interpret the patterns. This is especially true on very fast and dense files.
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Look closer to the receptors and try not to focus too much on information that doesn't matter -- alternatively, use a slightly higher speedmod.

Spastic mashing means you have a problem with reading.
Yeah it's definitely reading the jumpstreams and reacting to them while not losing my momentum on the song that gets me. The more songs I play with jumpstreams the more I'm hitting the actual jump steps. Still working on keeping my combo up.

What do you guys mean by receptors, by the way?
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Old 02-20-2013, 01:48 PM   #32
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Default Re: How does anyone do jumpsteps?

Receptors are just the four arrows on the top of the screen (bottom if you play with the downscroll mod) in which you have the scrolling arrows (i.e. the steps) align to as you hit them. Because you can't fully assume the arrows will align exactly with the music, it's better to actually see for yourself. That's why many players look close to the arrow receptors.

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Old 02-21-2013, 09:43 PM   #33
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Here's about my 5th or so attempt at etude to a dragon jumpstream. I set it to 1.5 speed to see if that would help.
http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...replay/201044/
Idk if replays would help but that's about where I am skill-wise.
I tapped along with you and I'm in the same boat so it seems. Try taking a screen shot of different sections of the pattern and getting those down, then go back and put it all together.

That's how I did it back in the day for runningmen, at least.
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Old 05-9-2013, 10:14 PM   #34
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Keep playing Etude to a Dragon over and over again or a jumpstream song of similar difficulty.

If you aren't playing spread, learn spread.
Aww man...yes I am having the same problem. Jump streams are killing me right now, I will try to play this song a bit, and see what happens...

I play index right now and I have tried a little bit of spread recently, but I'm not that comfortable yet...

I still want to be able to do some JS on index...so we shall see what happens...

Maybe I will post a replay later, but probably not xD

Anyone here able to kill jump streams with index?
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Old 05-9-2013, 10:54 PM   #35
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1.5x speedmod is very slow. Try switching to a faster speedmod, and if you can adjust well to it, you'll end up playing much better. (Back in the day, switching from 1.00 to 1.5, and then to 1.75, pretty much jumped me from D1 to D2 overnight)
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Old 05-9-2013, 11:04 PM   #36
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I just found another good song to practice i think...

{frozen}

It has jumps in these mini streams, so you dont have a constant stream to deal with just these mini ones =P

or maybe runny morning(sgx)
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Old 05-9-2013, 11:18 PM   #37
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Default Re: How does anyone do jumpsteps?

Ugh. No. Take that back right now. RunnyMorning is the WORST with its blue note syndrome and lots of jacking.

bmah's advice from earlier is also helpful. Jumpstreams are often the product of a stepartist choosing to emphasize a certain sound in the middle of a stream pattern. Reincarnate's advice is also helpful--if you spaz out as soon as jumps enter the equation, it's a problem with reading and not with anything physical. Most good players use a speedmod between 1.5 and 2.0

A couple of other songs that offer patterns that technically count as jumpstreams are the layered trills found in Marisa Stole The Precious Thing (a tough song and a tougher unlock), K8107 and Gravity Blast. Since these aren't like normal stream patterns that are all over the place, it's easier to focus on where the jumps are in the rhythm.
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Old 05-9-2013, 11:27 PM   #38
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Old 05-10-2013, 12:25 AM   #39
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My advice is terrible but I mashed for 3 years then played SM for 1 1/2 years... annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd yeah basically just played a piss ton, Jumps were the bane of my existence for a while and it really did come down to just practise practise practise, I can't count how many 100M GTS days I did on my old account... all JS practise

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Old 05-10-2013, 02:20 AM   #40
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Default Re: How does anyone do jumpsteps?

I used to have an issue with jumpstreams once. What helped a lot for me is to not even regard the file as a jumpstream at all; a lot of the times I'm playing a JS file I barely even notice it has jumps in them.

Don't think about it too much. A lot of the times, the jump will be spread over both your hands, which means that the stream basically "splits up" and plays over both hands for a moment. In case the jump plays over one hand, the pattern is basically easier (to read, and to play) because the arrows will be [12] or [34], in both cases right next to eachother in a block.

The key for me was to try and not see them as actual jumps. I'm not sure how much sense that makes though. Also, all of the above. Practise and patience are the magical words in games like this. Good luck! =3
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