Need some opinions

[foxfire667]

Originally Posted by psychoangel691

one being that once the content is submitted it becomes the property of the site

If people want to prevent this from happening, this shouldn't be a viewpoint, but a rule in FFR submission. If gray areas like this are left, then you might end up having to remove bunches of files in the future because you have no official rule or precedent.

For example, if a songwriter gave FFR permission to use their works several years ago, and just now decided that they wanted all of their music to be removed, would you comply? I can imagine you would, and what makes the musical property any different from the property of stepfiles in terms of whether their owners decide if you have the ability to use them anymore or not?

So I'm not quite sure how you will handle this situation regarding the step author who wants a bunch of their files removed honestly. In the future, a rule should be clearly posted in the FFR submission guidelines that any submission to FFR means that a step author is in full agreement to terms such as:

- The owner of the step chart will be alleviated of all rights as to where the file goes, or how it is handled, so long as the file itself is not altered, discredited, or used for any purpose aside from being released as an in-game FFR chart.
- Permission to use this file for it's initial purpose as a chart on FFR will be considered permanent, and removals will only occur in the sole interest of the FFR staff.

[SK8R43]

Originally Posted by qqwref

Yeah, I agree it's selfish. You don't get to just have your file removed for no reason... if it's a song permission thing I can understand, but someone just coming in and going "remove all my files pls lol"? That's just unreasonable.

I agree with everything said here. Permission issues are another thing, but just wanting to have them removed is just, NO.

[psychoangel691]

Originally Posted by Xx{Midnight}xX

It depends on reasoning and length of time it's been in game.

If they are just embarrassed by mounds of mistakes and it hasn't been in game that long, sure let them remove it and fix it. Stuff like that happens.

But if they're reasoning is "people are hating on me and my files" then honestly, I'd say go ahead and remove them, but also prevent future submissions. They obviously can't handle the process at that point and shouldn't waste judge's time.

Also, after a set amount of time they shouldn't be allowed to be removed. What this amount of time is, I don't have a ballpark idea.

Majority of them are '09 and older. He has 3 others two from '10 and one from '11. I just think at this point it's like silly to pull those out. If they were hated so much why wait until now to try to get rid of all of them?

[Plan_Bsk81127]

Having your files removed from the batch before they are released is one thing, but once they are in game, especially for a long time, it is not right to remove them. Who cares if you think the charts are bad or you dont think people like them. That statement shows you are way to sensitive over charts for a flash game which is sad. Just let it go and leave them there. If those files get removed this for sure would be one of the dumbest moves made as a site.

[ilikexd]

As has been said, I feel that if you submit your files to FFR, you are "giving" them to FFR, and FFR can decide to keep the files for as long as it wants.

[One Winged Angel]

I don't think this is something that public opinion should sway. The admins need to determine whether or not a file becomes intellectual property of the site once it is submitted and accepted.

If the answer is yes, it becomes site property, leave the files in game. If no, remove them. Yes, it will affect ranks, but the simfiler still has ownership. He should be able to do as he pleases.

It's really that simple.

[Crazyjayde]

If this is who I think it is, he should be aware that most of his files have a strong part in the history of the site and most of them aren't actually as bad as he believes they are. Is there any way you can get him into discussing some sort of arrangement?

I'm also supporting what foxfire said earlier about grey areas of rights and permissions of submitted files. We really need to delimit some of those.

[Plan_Bsk81127]

Originally Posted by psychoangel691

Claiming that people are still saying bad things to him about his files when he's not even here anymore and hasn't had anything new in game since '09

Excuse me he did actually have 2 in '10 and 1 in '11.

Originally Posted by psychoangel691

Funnier thing I requested for my files to be removed from TS because I wanted to see what the reaction would be and they absolutely refuse to do so.

Welp, it seems vote4nixon(yes I said his name, who gives a fuck) is being a typical little TS ****** going off these posts. After you said they wouldnt remove your charts from TS I think thats solid reasoning why you should not remove his charts. Im not going to assume this is some TS vs FFR type drama again, but if it is related I dont know why he is so against his charts being in game and fighting for the piece of shit site TS is/not even going anywhere.

[SK8R43]

Originally Posted by Crazyjayde

If this is who I think it is, he should be aware that most of his files have a strong part in the history of the site and most of them aren't actually as bad as he believes they are. Is there any way you can get him into discussing some sort of arrangement?

I'm also supporting what foxfire said earlier about grey areas of rights and permissions of submitted files. We really need to delimit some of those.

Basically that, None of them are even that bad... lol

[psychoangel691]

Originally Posted by Plan_Bsk81127

Welp, it seems vote4nixon(yes I said his name, who gives a fuck) is being a typical little TS ****** going off these posts. After you said they wouldnt remove your charts from TS I think thats solid reasoning why you should not remove his charts. Im not going to assume this is some TS vs FFR type drama again, but if it is related I dont know why he is so against his charts being in game and fighting for the piece of shit site TS is/not even going anywhere.

Yeah it's nothing about FFR/TS he's always complained about his files and how people viewed them. After he said that he was going to have his files removed from FFR I was like well then I guess I can ask for mine to be removed from TS and he said "no it doesn't work that way."

[Coolboyrulez0]

lol ts

also nope, don't remove them -- just because someone is having a fit doesn't mean they have that authority.

IMO (this is yet to be determined) once you submit a file, and it goes through processing and into the game you lose all rights of property to the file

obviously if there is something wrong with the file you have plenty of time to fix it before it goes into the game or even have the right to take it out of the queue
but this is simply isnt the case here its just someone being butt-mad and trying to damage the game / affect the playerbase for reasons unbeknownst to me.

are we gonna put up with shit like that? nope.

Edit: if the person wishes to not associate with ffr anymore thats fine, as someone suggested he can have his name taking off / identity changed etc. but the files remain property of ffr.

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

It should be done right now in time, but you should eventually come up with guidelines in the submission thread to explain what's an acceptable reason to remove a file etc. to avoid abuse.

Originally Posted by One Winged Angel

I don't think this is something that public opinion should sway. The admins need to determine whether or not a file becomes intellectual property of the site once it is submitted and accepted.

If the answer is yes, it becomes site property, leave the files in game. If no, remove them. Yes, it will affect ranks, but the simfiler still has ownership. He should be able to do as he pleases.

It's really that simple.

Combine ideas.
Profit?

[Plan_Bsk81127]

Originally Posted by psychoangel691

Yeah it's nothing about FFR/TS he's always complained about his files and how people viewed them. After he said that he was going to have his files removed from FFR I was like well then I guess I can ask for mine to be removed from TS and he said "no it doesn't work that way."

Smart words by him, he pretty much just blew his chance with having his charts being removed by saying this. GG, sounds like a response a TS tard would make.

[Coolboyrulez0]

Originally Posted by DarknessXoXLight

Direct this argument towards me now because I disagree with you oops.

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[trumaestro]

The difficulty comes from the fact that there is nothing in the batch thread or really anywhere else that -explicitly- states whether files you send in become property of this site. If a stepartist is asking for files they made to be removed, whose work is being removed? Is it the site or the artist? If it was the site, I think we would have the right to keep them in. On the other hand, I don't think we would (or should) have the right to keep them if the files are still property of the stepartist.

[Nullifidian]

I don't agree with removing the files. Once submitted and released, they're part of FFR's property and it's at FFR's discretion what to do with the files (unless there's legal obligations that say otherwise). Simfile artists sign their right on the file off to FFR once they submit it and the file is released, much like how a musician signs of rights to their music to a label, or an artist signs of rights to their pieces to a publisher. It's part of the agreement you accept before you send something in. An agreement is like a contract, you can't simply do what you want after you agreed to it.

(that is, if FFR has such an agreement, because otherwise FFR has no legal standpoint)

[Zageron]

You know that by submitting a file to FFR you 'technically' give up the right to distribute that file anywhere else? That's how the rule has always been. Simfile artists have no right to have their files taken off FFR.

Music artists are, of course, a completely different story.

[psychoangel691]

Originally Posted by trumaestro

The difficulty comes from the fact that there is nothing in the batch thread or really anywhere else that -explicitly- states whether files you send in become property of this site. If a stepartist is asking for files they made to be removed, whose work is being removed? Is it the site or the artist? If it was the site, I think we would have the right to keep them in. On the other hand, I don't think we would (or should) have the right to keep them if the files are still property of the stepartist.

That's what makes it a grey area and definitely needs to be clearly stated now. What's bothering me more about it is that one person is basically like "welp I don't really care if this affects however many active members there are right now." It'll impact ranks and take away lower level content which really sucks.

[trumaestro]

Originally Posted by Zageron

You know that by submitting a file to FFR you 'technically' give up the right to distribute that file anywhere else? That's how the rule has always been. Simfile artists have no right to have their files taken off FFR.

And why not? Where does it say that?

[Charu]

The arguments going on in this thread are... interesting.

The way I see it, if you're removing content from FFR because you as an artist don't like it and or the general consensus of the community doesn't like it, it's really silly. It's like how I see people remove all their artwork on some art sites.

It's really a pet peeve of mine when I see this happen. BUT... people have their reasons and so forth and so forth.

I will not mind if this happens, however I don't think it should happen.

Totally am posting in school by the way... dohoho...