Newtown, Connecticut Elementary School Shooting

[benguino]

The details do matter sometimes though and simply being ignorant about the details wouldn't be appropriate in some situations. In Kayla's case, given the details that were given so far on the shooting, she thinks that there is something fishy; the facts simply don't add up for her. I see where she's coming from, and she has the right to be a little suspicious. Anyways, this is my first post in this thread, and I just want to say how awful this entire incident is. All my condolences to the families of the children and all these affected. This is something that's definitely going to be on my mind for awhile, the thought that someone would do such a thing...

[Hateandhatred]

inb4 (too late actually) people claim america doesn't have enough weapons cuz it's in the american constitution to be allowed to carry them, thus it is the responsibility of teachers to strap up.

inb4 (too late actually) people put all the blame on weapons and other shit like marilyn manson, bronies, video games, energy drinks, schools, fast food, abortion and christianism.

/facepalm

That being said, huge tragedy there. Hope the families will pick back up and be able to live a healthy happy life in some future...

[~Zeta~]

Originally Posted by Mollocephalus

'murica

why should a elementary school have all these security checks? I've been to two elementary schools before and ANYONE could go in at any given time, and i've never though i was in a potentially dangerous situation. What kind of freedom are you US people talking about? The more shit happens, the more freedom it's being taken away from you. Do you really want a world where you are controlled in any thing you do, where there is always a camera monitoring you, where all the things you say can be recorded and used against you at any given time, where everything is closed down like in a jail?

Step by step, tragic stories such as these make it easier for the ruling class to pass orwellian laws that will limit even more your personal freedom. Being able to easily own a gun, an instrument SPECIFICALLY made to kill, harm or destroy is not a sign of freedom, rather the complete opposite.

If there weren't any security checks, he can just walk in and cause even more damage. Like enter through a side door not even going by the office. Who knows what that could have caused. I'm not going into specifics of "freedom" since everyone and their grandmother have different definitions of it, but the freedom America was born from was being free from British rule/pressure. What people call freedom within this freedom is another topic (freedom to do whatever they want, freedom of speech, etc.)

If they didn't do anything, they'd get trashed to hell for "not doing anything." American population is insecure when catastrophe happens; who will be there to protect them all? Passing laws to protect is better than not changing anything. I was too young to witness the Columbine so I don't know how/what people/government did (nor do I feel like reading it).

The fact this makes this a freaking gigantic storm is because children were involved. Defenseless children. In kindergarten. While a life is a life (not degrading), it hits hard when you have innocent children murdered that couldn't run or fight. Again, without knowledge of the Columbine.

[Reincarnate]

You can say that for anything, though. If there weren't any security checks at the grocery store, you could get capped while checking out the latest brand of Cocoa Puffs. If there weren't any security checks at the mall, someone could shoot you while you were in the dressing room. If there weren't any security checks on the street, then who knows... it's like anyone can just walk outside these days!

[justaguy]

Originally Posted by Hateandhatred

inb4 (too late actually) people claim america doesn't have enough weapons cuz it's in the american constitution to be allowed to carry them, thus it is the responsibility of teachers to strap up.

inb4 (too late actually) people put all the blame on weapons and other shit like marilyn manson, bronies, video games, energy drinks, schools, fast food, abortion and christianism.

/facepalm

That being said, huge tragedy there. Hope the families will pick back up and be able to live a healthy happy life in some future...

why did you even make this post

[psychoangel691]

Originally Posted by justaguy

no offense but is this like the mystery unsolved for you he mowed down little kids why do these details even matter

Because I have a small child and actually have to worry about the security of our school systems and why this was able to happen to 20 children that were only 6 and 7 years old?

[Reincarnate]

Originally Posted by psychoangel691

Because I have a small child and actually have to worry about the security of our school systems and why this was able to happen to 20 children that were only 6 and 7 years old?

He's asking why it matters that you're bringing attention to the rifle being in the car as an important detail casting the entire reporting of the situation as incomplete/fishy. You're looking at like one shittily-written article that explained a fact poorly, when every other article you can pull up makes it quite clear what happened.

[psychoangel691]

Originally Posted by Reincarnate

He's asking why it matters that you're bringing attention to the rifle being in the car as an important detail casting the entire reporting of the situation as incomplete/fishy. You're looking at like one shittily-written article that explained a fact poorly, when every other article you can pull up makes it quite clear what happened.

It's not just one article it's multiple articles that all said the same thing. As well as the news on TV here that was run all day on it. Plus it's not just the weapon that makes me question it, that was just one thing that made no sense to me.

[Tidus810]

Things like this are why I read increasingly more about a developing story as time elapses. Many news outlets were and are in a frenzy to flood you with information in an attempt to reign in viewers. I'd rather read more about a complete story as it comes together.

Regardless, this is incredibly upsetting and I really wish this guy would stop being turned into an antihero sort of character...

[Reincarnate]

Originally Posted by psychoangel691

It's not just one article it's multiple articles that all said the same thing.

I just spent five minutes Googling every report I could get my hands on, and I don't think what you're claiming holds much water. It's pretty clear what went down.

Most of the reports that claim something is "fishy" are typically from poorly-written personal blogs or conspiracy nuts who think there was a second shooter (this happens almost every single time a lone gunman goes off the rails -- same shit came up when Holmes committed the atrocity at Aurora), all usually done to make it look like the media/government is "covering something up." See also "9-11 Truthers."

A good rule of thumb: If you have to go against Occam's Razor and resort to conspiracy theories, it's probably incorrect.

Simplest explanation that is also most widely supported = one disturbed dude who had access to a lot of guns shot down a bunch of kids, alone.

Kinda reminds me of

"What if it was just one guy with six guns?"

Anyways, the problem isn't about "school security." Atrocities can happen everywhere, from subways, to the streets, to schools, to movie theaters, to airports, etc.

[benguino]

It still boggles me what the motive was behind the shooter's actions. I mean, what satisfaction does one get from shooting innocent school children? Revenge seems unlikely because I doubt any of the kids did anything to make the shooter before the incident to make him want to kill them. So what else is there?

(I still have yet to read any articles on this incident yet, what I know is by word of mouth and this thread right now, so please forgive me if simply reading one of these articles would be enough to tell me what the motives were of the shooter.)

[psychoangel691]

Originally Posted by Reincarnate

I just spent five minutes Googling every report I could get my hands on, and I don't think what you're claiming holds much water. It's pretty clear what went down.

Most of the reports that claim something is "fishy" are typically from poorly-written personal blogs or conspiracy nuts who think there was a second shooter (this happens almost every single time a lone gunman goes off the rails -- same shit came up when Holmes committed the atrocity at Aurora), all usually done to make it look like the media/government is "covering something up." See also "9-11 Truthers."

A good rule of thumb: If you have to go against Occam's Razor and resort to conspiracy theories, it's probably incorrect.

Simplest explanation that is also most widely supported = one disturbed dude who had access to a lot of guns shot down a bunch of kids, alone.

Kinda reminds me of

"What if it was just one guy with six guns?"

Anyways, the problem isn't about "school security." Atrocities can happen everywhere, from subways, to the streets, to schools, to movie theaters, to airports, etc.

K cause the TV stations here are blogs and conspiracy theories. The article I linked about the guns was New York Daily News, not some random internet blog. I've barely seen any articles that mention four guns other than what you linked earlier. You also can't get on anyone for believing there was a second shooter because that is what was reported to the world at first. You're getting on my ass because of things that were in fact reported by new stations and other news articles. If they fucked up then they fucked up. Don't give me shit because they didn't report accurate information.

First it was the mother was the teacher in the classroom. Then it was no there's no affiliation with the school. Then it was oh she's a volunteer. Then no a substitute, but then she's on no record for the school employees. Information has been inconsistent since it happened.

But yeah, I'm the moron I guess.

[ichliebekase]

Well to kind of redirect the attention to some more news:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/n...VwY3k4wFmI?amp

Someone apparently is saying that Adam didn't finish the job (to say the least). Death threats against the local church where some of the funerals will be held.

[justaguy]

Originally Posted by psychoangel691

K cause the TV stations here are blogs and conspiracy theories. The article I linked about the guns was New York Daily News, not some random internet blog. I've barely seen any articles that mention four guns other than what you linked earlier. You also can't get on anyone for believing there was a second shooter because that is what was reported to the world at first. You're getting on my ass because of things that were in fact reported by new stations and other news articles. If they fucked up then they fucked up. Don't give me shit because they didn't report accurate information.

First it was the mother was the teacher in the classroom. Then it was no there's no affiliation with the school. Then it was oh she's a volunteer. Then no a substitute, but then she's on no record for the school employees. Information has been inconsistent since it happened.

But yeah, I'm the moron I guess.

not a moron, u are concerned with things that dont matter.

[dAnceguy117]

Originally Posted by ichliebekase

Well to kind of redirect the attention to some more news:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/n...VwY3k4wFmI?amp

Someone apparently is saying that Adam didn't finish the job (to say the least). Death threats against the local church where some of the funerals will be held.

unbelievable. could these families be any less fortunate?

[psychoangel691]

Originally Posted by justaguy

not a moron, u are concerned with things that dont matter.

I don't see how it doesn't matter when it tells the story about how, why, so on. Yes it concerns me a lot that some guy was able to get into an elementary school with that many weapons. Yes I'm more paranoid about it because I am a parent and still a relatively new parent. Schools should be the last place a parent has to worry about their children being. That's how I feel about it.

[Reincarnate]

Originally Posted by psychoangel691

K cause the TV stations here are blogs and conspiracy theories. The article I linked about the guns was New York Daily News, not some random internet blog. I've barely seen any articles that mention four guns other than what you linked earlier. You also can't get on anyone for believing there was a second shooter because that is what was reported to the world at first. You're getting on my ass because of things that were in fact reported by new stations and other news articles. If they fucked up then they fucked up. Don't give me shit because they didn't report accurate information.

First it was the mother was the teacher in the classroom. Then it was no there's no affiliation with the school. Then it was oh she's a volunteer. Then no a substitute, but then she's on no record for the school employees. Information has been inconsistent since it happened.

But yeah, I'm the moron I guess.

Nobody's calling you a moron. I'm only saying that I think you're missing the forest for the trees, here.

Besides, facts always go through a shitstorm of changes when a situation is recent, so you have to take everything with a grain of salt. That doesn't make the situation "fishy." It just means "stick with the most reasonable explanation until something definitive proves otherwise."

Originally Posted by psychoangel691

I don't see how it doesn't matter when it tells the story about how, why, so on. Yes it concerns me a lot that some guy was able to get into an elementary school with that many weapons. Yes I'm more paranoid about it because I am a parent and still a relatively new parent. Schools should be the last place a parent has to worry about their children being. That's how I feel about it.

We know he had a lot of guns on him. How does the rifle-in-the-car thing change that one way or the other?

[psychoangel691]

Originally Posted by Reincarnate

We know he had a lot of guns on him. How does the rifle-in-the-car thing change that one way or the other?

Because it was stated that he only brought in the two pistols. I've already said this. The autopsy reports had said otherwise. I don't know why we're still on this if there were in fact 4 guns now. I didn't read or hear that there were 4. I said that in my previous post. So there's no reason for this to be brought up anymore.

Anyway, on a different note I found this to be an interesting read. Not exactly having to do with this but relatedish

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2311009.html

[dAnceguy117]

Originally Posted by psychoangel691

Anyway, on a different note I found this to be an interesting read. Not exactly having to do with this but relatedish

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2311009.html

seems entirely relevant to me. the article is both enlightening and terrifying. thanks for the link.

I've never thought a whole lot about the way society deals with mentally ill people. that ought to be a hot topic, if it's not already.

[A2P]

Turns out the guy has Aspergers.

settin us back 20 years mang