Go Back   Flash Flash Revolution: Community Forums > Flash Flash Revolution > FFR General Talk
Register FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-30-2011, 04:03 PM   #21
Stage:
FFR Veteran
FFR Veteran
 
Stage:'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Montreal
Posts: 282
Default Re: Rain

I don't get it, what is this thread even about lol? You, wanting people to tell you that you lack speed?... there's nothing to do but practice man..
Stage: is offline  
Old 12-30-2011, 04:21 PM   #22
stavie33
FFR Player
FFR Veteran
 
stavie33's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,925
Default Re: Rain

this thread had 2 points, one, to get an answer to the post 4+ days ago in the ingame song discussion thread, which seems to be dead. Second point was to possibly vent some of my frustration and hopefully be told I'm not good. 2nd point was to vent, but you can close the thread now, I just kinda needed to vent. I am really frustrated about my wall. And there won't be a thread on Freedom Dive, I can't play it cause' I was out round 2

Quote:
Originally Posted by Trogdor!!!! View Post
Stavie: I can't play one FGO, I automatically ****ing suck at this game, nothing else matters. GG
I wish I couldn't play one FGO, the game would be much simpler then and more fun. I said in the other thread, noobs are important, and we love you guys. Being a noob is wonderful, you have a goal, and tons of room for improvement and shouldn't hit a wall for a long, long time. I've been stuck at a skill wall for 2 years, and if it's not my computer (which I play on a shitty, glitchy, freezy laptop that has half broken keys) then my physical ability has a limit.

You have a long time to enjoy the game before you're angry about walls. You have no idea how jealous I am of you, I used to love this game. Now it's a stress reliever, and a stress producer, it's very strange. I feel most at ease when mashing keys for an hour, but after 2 I start to rage.
__________________
It's getting better all the time
I used to get mad at my school (No, I can't complain)
The teachers who taught me weren't cool (No, I can't complain)
You're holding me down (Oh Oh)
Turning me round (Oh Oh)
Filling me up with your rules (Oooh)

Last edited by stavie33; 12-30-2011 at 04:28 PM..
stavie33 is offline  
Old 12-30-2011, 04:28 PM   #23
Trogdor!!!!
Forever
FFR Veteran
 
Trogdor!!!!'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 1,587
Default Re: Rain

Lmao, I was referring to how I think you're reacting to this but I guess I could have made that a little bit more clearer. It's only one file.
Trogdor!!!! is offline  
Old 12-30-2011, 04:31 PM   #24
stavie33
FFR Player
FFR Veteran
 
stavie33's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,925
Default Re: Rain

Look, I really don't want to be an annoying dick on this forum (I definitely won't on the Indeed forums I promise), it's just I have very little room to vent irl and I have a very stressful, serious lifestyle that puts lots of pressure on me. I've also had to give up on hanging with friends and playing general video games recently to concentrate on other subjects. I am very serious most of the time so occasionally I really, really need to be immature and rant, unfortunately, this is the place I feel most comfortable doing that, because I'm passionate about FFR, and yet it frustrates me, so it's really easy to get out both emotions. Sorry guys, I know I must really piss you guys off, but sometimes i just need to get stupid shit like this out. Stuff frustrates me, right now scores on Rain do. That's all. You can delete the thread and hopefully like for the last few weeks, I will make very few posts, and they won't be long either.
__________________
It's getting better all the time
I used to get mad at my school (No, I can't complain)
The teachers who taught me weren't cool (No, I can't complain)
You're holding me down (Oh Oh)
Turning me round (Oh Oh)
Filling me up with your rules (Oooh)
stavie33 is offline  
Old 12-30-2011, 04:31 PM   #25
One Winged Angel
Anime Avatars ( ◜◡^)っ✂╰⋃╯
Retired StaffFFR Simfile AuthorD8 Godly KeysmasherFFR Veteran
 
One Winged Angel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Squat Rack
Age: 30
Posts: 10,762
Default Re: Rain

stavie, you're waaaaaaay too determined to find out exactly where you lie in terms of rank on the site. I think you're under the impression that a player with the n'th best avrank on the site is the n'th best at PA'ing streams, the n'th best at PA'ing jacks, the n'th best at PA'ing jumpstream, etc., which is clearly not the case at all.

People have different strengths and weaknesses, just accept that and move on.
__________________


Quote:
Originally Posted by ilikexd View Post
i want to be cucked by cirno
One Winged Angel is offline  
Old 12-30-2011, 04:32 PM   #26
Trogdor!!!!
Forever
FFR Veteran
 
Trogdor!!!!'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 1,587
Default Re: Rain

Quote:
Originally Posted by stavie33 View Post
Look, I really don't want to be an annoying dick on this forum (I definitely won't on the Indeed forums I promise), it's just I have very little room to vent irl and I have a very stressful, serious lifestyle that puts lots of pressure on me. I've also had to give up on hanging with friends and playing general video games recently to concentrate on other subjects. I am very serious most of the time so occasionally I really, really need to be immature and rant, unfortunately, this is the place I feel most comfortable doing that, because I'm passionate about FFR, and yet it frustrates me, so it's really easy to get out both emotions. Sorry guys, I know I must really piss you guys off, but sometimes i just need to get stupid shit like this out. Stuff frustrates me, right now scores on Rain do. That's all. You can delete the thread and hopefully like for the last few weeks, I will make very few posts, and they won't be long either.
You can always just take a break from this game.. :/
Trogdor!!!! is offline  
Old 12-30-2011, 04:33 PM   #27
AlexDest
good hot
FFR Simfile AuthorD7 Elite KeysmasherFFR Veteran
 
AlexDest's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: North Carolina
Age: 25
Posts: 5,147
Default Re: Rain

Practice on Cetaka's RAIN file for a while (has jumpstream in the 32nds, same length). Then play the one in the game, it'll be easier and maybe feel a bit slower because of your hands being more used to the enraging jumpstream in Cetaka's.
__________________
AlexDest is offline  
Old 12-30-2011, 04:34 PM   #28
stavie33
FFR Player
FFR Veteran
 
stavie33's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,925
Default Re: Rain

Quote:
Originally Posted by Trogdor!!!! View Post
You can always just take a break from this game.. :/
I did, for like 3 weeks. I thought I'd quit for good, but I came crawling back. Smashing keys is like a drug, it feels good, and it also puts me into a drunken frenzy.

Also, OWA, that reminded me to check my averagerank, last time I saw it it was like 7.6, now it's 9.8 But you're right, I've told my friends this too who view my rank. My average rank may be 10, but overall skill I wouldn't even put me in top 40, maybe not even top 50. People are good at different things, I'm good at very technical files with bursts and minijacks, and I'm bad at very fast and dense files, and I'm awful at one handed anything. Also, Reality is just a blunder to me as well, I can play it 5 times in a row and get scores anywhere from 2 goods to 40 goods with no explanation, it still happens.
__________________
It's getting better all the time
I used to get mad at my school (No, I can't complain)
The teachers who taught me weren't cool (No, I can't complain)
You're holding me down (Oh Oh)
Turning me round (Oh Oh)
Filling me up with your rules (Oooh)

Last edited by stavie33; 12-30-2011 at 04:42 PM..
stavie33 is offline  
Old 12-30-2011, 05:35 PM   #29
DossarLX ODI
Batch Manager
Game Manager, Batch Search Engine Developer
Game ManagerSimfile JudgeFFR Simfile AuthorD7 Elite KeysmasherFFR Veteran
 
DossarLX ODI's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Massachusetts
Age: 26
Posts: 14,591
Default Re: Rain

Quote:
Originally Posted by hi19hi19 View Post
Streams are only slightly faster than Reality, and the patterns are a little awkward for me but very easy to read. idk
Actually, Rain is 128 bpm which would make for 256 bpm 16ths, it's slightly slower than Reality.

Quote:
Probably the reason for no AAAs yet is that it's long, and the best/most active players are still focused on the tournament.
1) Horrendous frames in the streams. The good in my run came from a frame split in the first long 32nd stream.

2) Being a long file is also a factor, but the frames are more of a concern

And stavie, would you stop fucking basing "difficulty" off of AAAs? If I thought like you, I'd say Death Piano is a 12 because I AAA'd every part in isolation. Rain isn't suddenly "hard" just because I split a good on a bad frame messed stream. Xayphon also has 1 good/boo, it could've just as easily been an AAA and Halogen managed to get 3g clean on his first run I think. Objectively the file is very doable and nowhere near 13 status, but the amount of concentration and bad frame placements makes it a high 12.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by hi19hi19 View Post
oh boy, it's STIFF, I'll stretch before I sit down at the computer so not I'm not as STIFF next time I step a file

Last edited by DossarLX ODI; 12-30-2011 at 05:38 PM..
DossarLX ODI is offline  
Old 12-30-2011, 05:39 PM   #30
TC_Halogen
Rhythm game specialist.
Simfile JudgeFFR Simfile AuthorFFR Music ProducerD8 Godly KeysmasherFFR Veteran
 
TC_Halogen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Bel Air, Maryland
Age: 29
Posts: 18,848
Send a message via AIM to TC_Halogen Send a message via Skype™ to TC_Halogen
Default Re: Rain

Rain is nowhere near a 13. It's got streams that are really easy and flowing, and the trills are more than manageable. Length is the only reason why it's even remotely difficult as a 12.

I've yet to give it a serious try warm, I got 3g completely cold as my first full game of that day. (Still sitting as an unrecorded score, but I refuse to send it because it's an easy AAA for me when warm.)

EDIT: and in case someone says I'm talking about of my ass:
First two runs were fail-outs within the first 50 steps due to me leaving things open and facing serious lag, the third run was a lag out at like 450, and then this:


it's not hard at all.

EDIT: and oddly enough, I actually have somewhat of an agreement with qqwref, not because he said that the file is an 11, but moreso that he believes it is an 11 because of what's contained within it. The only reason I personally feel like the file is a 12 is because of the stream length, and song length. I don't like the rest of the content within that post, so I'll leave it be.

Dossar says it's a high FGO. I say it's a low FGO - and everyone will always have a different opinion.

Last edited by TC_Halogen; 12-30-2011 at 05:45 PM..
TC_Halogen is offline  
Old 12-30-2011, 05:41 PM   #31
hi19hi19
lol happy
FFR Simfile AuthorFFR Veteran
 
hi19hi19's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: DESTINY
Age: 29
Posts: 12,049
Default Re: Rain

Quote:
Originally Posted by DossarLX ODI View Post
Actually, Rain is 128 bpm which would make for 256 bpm 16ths, it's slightly slower than Reality.
For some reason I thought it was 134 bpm lol. I stand corrected :P
__________________



hi19hi19 is offline  
Old 12-30-2011, 05:51 PM   #32
DossarLX ODI
Batch Manager
Game Manager, Batch Search Engine Developer
Game ManagerSimfile JudgeFFR Simfile AuthorD7 Elite KeysmasherFFR Veteran
 
DossarLX ODI's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Massachusetts
Age: 26
Posts: 14,591
Default Re: Rain

By the way it's also important that by high FGO I mean by FFR standards. This game goes by combo based scoring and from what I have seen, jacks and trills with transitions at that speed give the community a lot of trouble. Compared to a high FGO like Rape on my Tournament Engine, Rain is easy.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by hi19hi19 View Post
oh boy, it's STIFF, I'll stretch before I sit down at the computer so not I'm not as STIFF next time I step a file
DossarLX ODI is offline  
Old 12-30-2011, 05:54 PM   #33
TC_Halogen
Rhythm game specialist.
Simfile JudgeFFR Simfile AuthorFFR Music ProducerD8 Godly KeysmasherFFR Veteran
 
TC_Halogen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Bel Air, Maryland
Age: 29
Posts: 18,848
Send a message via AIM to TC_Halogen Send a message via Skype™ to TC_Halogen
Default Re: Rain

I don't even consider Rain a high FGO by FFR's engine standards.

I'm grouping files by difficulty based on what they contain in the file. 128 BPM 32nd streaming/trilling doesn't pan out as rough as 190 BPM 32nds that can't be cheated (Schmollbluk), or 250 BPM 16th/24th/wtfever color (grind2, although it's more of a mid FGO, really), or intermittent 32nd rolling with horrible transitions (DeVouR, again not hard, but harder to score on than Rain in terms of complexity).
TC_Halogen is offline  
Old 12-30-2011, 07:49 PM   #34
V-Ormix
Banned
D7 Elite KeysmasherFFR Veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 4,640
Default Re: Rain

only thing fgoish is the trill section (kind of like holy orders but longer and there are more of them) the rest of it is high 11ish
V-Ormix is offline  
Old 12-30-2011, 07:53 PM   #35
Xayphon
sausage
FFR Simfile AuthorD7 Elite KeysmasherFFR Veteran
 
Xayphon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Germany
Posts: 1,596
Default Re: Rain

Patterns in the streams flow amazingly well \o\
Xayphon is offline  
Old 12-30-2011, 07:54 PM   #36
V-Ormix
Banned
D7 Elite KeysmasherFFR Veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 4,640
Default Re: Rain

Quote:
Originally Posted by qqwref View Post
I think Rain should be a 11. Really, the stream isn't even that fast, and there are plenty of other 11s with trills about that speed. Honestly, if you can't hit them, then you just suck at this game and should work on your speed. I don't even know why there's a debate, this song is really easy and the only difficulty at all is the length, which is probably why nobody's bothered to AAA yet.
yeah but the trills are way longer than most any other 32nd trills in any song in this game so that gives a low fgo spot at best. doing 32nd trills at that speed isnt hard but to hold long ones like that repeatedly is challenging (at least to me).
V-Ormix is offline  
Old 12-30-2011, 07:55 PM   #37
icontrolyourworld
Enjoy life!
FFR Simfile AuthorFFR Veteran
 
icontrolyourworld's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,091
Default Re: Rain

think of rain as 256bpm 16th streams but with easy fun patterns
for comparison reality is 259bpm 16ths streams
icontrolyourworld is offline  
Old 12-30-2011, 07:56 PM   #38
V-Ormix
Banned
D7 Elite KeysmasherFFR Veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 4,640
Default Re: Rain

Quote:
Originally Posted by icontrolyourworld View Post
think of rain as 256bpm 16th streams but with easy fun patterns
for comparison reality is 259bpm 16ths streams
yeah the stream is insanely fun n_n
V-Ormix is offline  
Old 12-30-2011, 09:13 PM   #39
Altivu
FFR Player
 
Altivu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 65
Default Re: Rain

Quote:
Originally Posted by stavie33 View Post
I've been stuck at a skill wall for 2 years, and if it's not my computer (which I play on a shitty, glitchy, freezy laptop that has half broken keys) then my physical ability has a limit.
Hi, I've been playing for over two years and I can't FC 8s yet.

But yes I understand your frustrations.
Altivu is offline  
Old 12-30-2011, 10:42 PM   #40
Ziergdsx18
ℜ1 ステップチャート 著者
FFR Simfile AuthorFFR Veteran
 
Ziergdsx18's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Key West, FL
Age: 31
Posts: 2,801
Send a message via AIM to Ziergdsx18 Send a message via MSN to Ziergdsx18 Send a message via Skype™ to Ziergdsx18
Default Re: Rain

Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexDest View Post
Practice on Cetaka's RAIN file for a while (has jumpstream in the 32nds, same length). Then play the one in the game, it'll be easier and maybe feel a bit slower because of your hands being more used to the enraging jumpstream in Cetaka's.
^.

I don't think Chris could have made the patterns any more lenient on his file than they are right now
__________________


| irc.rizon.net | #touhouradio - Come listen! |

Last edited by Ziergdsx18; 12-30-2011 at 10:46 PM..
Ziergdsx18 is offline  
Closed Thread


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:54 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright FlashFlashRevolution