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Old 06-17-2011, 04:54 PM   #6
Cavernio
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Default Re: Generosity is bullshit

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. So as long as we are conscious, we have a purpose.
Makes sense so far.

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Second, if every action has a purpose, we have to have just one single fundamental purpose for one reason. If we have two, what can we do in a situation when two purposes are in conflict (and that could happen really often)? There are multiple scenarios:

1. The two fundamental purposes are equal, and so we can’t chose, which is totally illogic. It would be like having no purpose.
And that is why some people have indecision. Furthermore, have you ever met a depressed person who feels as if they have no purpose? You have assumed that we are always conscious beings, which we are not. However, I agree that this is unlikely anways, simply because there are so many factors involved in something, to be equal is like having one random infinite number be exactly equal to another randon infinite number.

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2. One purpose is stronger then the other. So this purpose would always win against the other… and in the end we would end up with just one fundamental purpose.
My response to 3 makes 2 moot.

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3. The purpose change depending on days or time. Which is, again, illogic, because it would be impossible for human to understand the other if they don’t have the same purpose in the same time, and so it would be practically impossible to talk or to interact (remember, purpose guide action, so if you don’t understand the fundamental purpose of the others, you just can’t understand their actions). We can’t understand ourselves either, because our purpose will always be different.
But yet this is like the reality we live with every day. If you've ever changed your mind, you reach point 3, which makes point 2, well, irrelevant. The thing is, people do understand each other even if the person's point of view changes. That's like, well, how we can discuss something and have your mind changed. People aren't statisticians, we value what has happened most recently more than things that have happened in the past. We never do fully understand ourselves or others most of the time, hence why you're trying to figure out altruism with this post of yours. Besides which, if we never changed, we'd all be like adult babies, (mentally speaking here.)

And lastly, your premise only follows true if we are always making conscious decisions, which is just not the case. We are not beings of pure logic and thought who always strive for the best. We're animals that are limited/made through our physical bodies.

So, in conclusion, to only have 1 fundamental purpose is flawed from the get-go, regardless of whether personal happiness would end up being that ultimate purpose or not.
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