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I don't support drugs. Every single person that I have ever known that has been into drugs has been a complete tool, especially when high. I have been stolen from countless times from a particular family member who could not kick his marijuana habit. I don't mean 5 or 10 bucks here and there. I mean I have lost game consoles, laptops, paintball gear, endless expensive shit that I know ended up in a pawn shop or some dealer's apartment. It eventually evolved into a more expensive prescription drug habit so he began to steal directly out of my grandmother's bank account. I am not going to say that drugs make you do stupid shit because he is the one that chose to do those things. Nobody makes you try drugs the first time, nobody makes you continue to taking them, and it's nobody's fault but your own when you are too addicted to stop.
People are going to do what they want regardless if it is legal or not, but that does not mean I have to associate with them. It just sucks that every single time I get on the road I am in danger of getting plowed into and killed by someone that has decided to get drunk/high/whatever altered state that they prefer because they are selfish assholes.
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No, you don't have to associate with people that steal your shit, but you also don't have be prejudicial toward everyone who shares one half of your correlation but most likely not the other. And that a bit about high driving... *****ing facepalm*. Go get educated on the subject. |
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The OP asked what my opinion of drugs are, so I gave it.
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Okay so let me say this. Driving is a privilege, not a right. It's a privilege that can be and should be taken away if you are under the influence. You are responsible as a licensed driver to not drive under the influence, whether it be alcohol or another substance that alters your state of mind. Is that factual enough? A person saying that they drive better after smoking pot is subjective, but since it agrees with the rest of the pot heads' opinions on this board, that is an acceptable argument? Please.
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Yet at the same time it's acceptable for someone who has never smoked weed to say that it is most definitely not okay to drive while stoned?
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Did I ever say that I never smoked pot? I have and I would never have gotten behind the wheel like that.
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Cool so now where's your evidence that it makes you worse at driving?
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Evidence? I can't believe I even have to provide evidence over something like this.
http://alcoholism.about.com/od/pot/a/pot_driving.htm http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...er.html?cat=71 http://missoulian.com/news/local/art...cc4c002e0.html I will elaborate in a minute, I'm stuck on the phone with girlfriend aggro.
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So far this has actually been a pretty reasonable drug thread.
Bear in mind a few things going forward though: 1/ Posts that are just "yeah" "no" or "I agree" are going to get deleted. If you have nothing to add, don't add anything. 2/ We as a site can't actually support the use of illegal drugs, and while you're free to talk about drugs as specifically as you like in the abstract, please don't post about how -you- do drugs, or that others -should- do drugs which are currently illegal. |
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I've never shot a gun before but that doesn't mean that I can't decipher whether shooting a person in the head is right or wrong.
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I never said that I thought drugs should be criminalized. I said I don't support drugs. I don't support the use of drugs. But I don't care whether it is legal to take drugs or not. People are going to do it regardless if it is legal or not. My main stance on the legal issue is that people who are caught under the influence while driving should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. People can do as many drugs as they want, I don't care. I keep those people as far out of my life as possible. This is why I fully support frequent drug testing for job applicants and employees, random highway stops, and general deterrence in situations where drug use is undesirable and even dangerous.
I personally would not want to hire a drug user or a person that has a history of DUI's. I think it says a lot about a person's character and I wouldn't want to risk sacrificing my business for someone who has a drug habit.
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http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/...ng/driving.htm Now, this is done by the US government so you know it's going to be biased toward wanting the outcome to be that yes, weed does make you a bad driver. Let's see what their abstract says: Quote:
Digging in to the studies that show significant differences, the first study shows that there was only a significant difference in one of the dependent variables they were measuring (standard deviation of lateral position), which has been previously shown to be highly sensitive to any mood / sedative changes. You can read it here. In the second test, they also measured the standard deviation of lateral position and only got significant results in the highest dose case. Furthermore, they showed that as dose increased, the mean distance behind the car they were trying to precisely follow decreased. After adjusting for what they thought caused this variation, the results were statistically insignificant. You can view this article here. And the third study, as I previously noted caused no significant difference. So what we have here is a study from the government saying that marijuana usage and driving is barely statistically significant to the point that it isn't necessarily replicated between studies. And additionally, they claim that in each study where it is significant the effect size is minimal. So there is evidence from your own government department of transportation that it is questionable whether smoking and driving causes any impairment or not. In the future, if you are going to cite sources I would recommend making them actual studies, like I provided, and not blog posts.
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My opinion? Weed is a plant. God put plants on the ground. If it wasn't ment to be smoked then god wouldn't have put in the ground for us to smoke. Simple as that. It should be legalized. That's my opinion
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If you post your opinions and someone asks you for evidence or justification you damn well better provide it or else you either a) don't believe in your position or b) don't believe in it firmly enough to have teased it out and thus shouldn't have strong beliefs either way. If you take route a, you are trolling. If you take route b yet you still have strong beliefs on the matter, you are ignorant and tunnel-visioned. So yes, I wanted to find out whether he was in camp a or camp b.
Also that's so cute that you underhandedly call me a troll when all I've done in this thread is post mountains of information that everyone who disagrees with seems to mysteriously gloss over.
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http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabi..._driving.shtml
Most studies I've seen cited consider marijuana to be much less of an impairment to driving than alcohol, but still an impairment. In addition, drunk and high is worse than either alone. I'm sure that as pressure for legalization increases and medical pot grows more widespread, more studies will reach a more solid conclusion, but until then it's best to err on the side of safety.
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I would agree with the first two sentences if this wasn't in the critical thinking thread. In this thread your posts are taken very seriously. Don't post if you aren't willing to have your post scrutinized.
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