Is it wrong to be gay? - Page 24

Chrissi · 01-19-2011, 05:43 PM

You guys are arguing this very strangely.

I am a huge gay rights person and have tons of gay friends and have been involved in gay culture including going to pride, etc, for years. And yet, I don't believe that people are "born" gay or that there is a gay gene. I believe it's a combination of genetic predisposition and environment (the way you grew up and the culture/family values/etc) that makes someone gay. Of course people don't choose to be gay, but don't take this to mean that they must be born that way. The "It's genetic/it's a choice" binary way that most people seem to be looking at it is a false dichotomy. They are not born that way, and it's not a choice.

Nobody has found a gay "gene". Show me where. And nobody is giving very good arguments as for why being gay MUST be innate and can't possibly be bred into someone through the things they are exposed to and the way they are treated growing up.

**Reincarnate** · 01-19-2011, 06:55 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHDCA...layer_embedded

ffraxis · 01-19-2011, 07:39 PM

I don't know

IS IT WRONG?

what does it mean?

**kommisar** · 01-19-2011, 08:26 PM

I always believed being gay to be more of a preference to a type of person, not gender. It just happens to be the same sex!

Kilroy_x · 01-19-2011, 10:55 PM

I don't understand why people think genes are the only thing that causes anything biological to happen ever =/

**ichliebekase** · 01-19-2011, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Kilroy_x

I don't understand why people think genes are the only thing that causes anything biological to happen ever =/

Hmm. Do you mean ancestry genes or just genes that make up a brand new person?

**virus003** · 01-19-2011, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Kilroy_x

I don't understand why people think genes are the only thing that causes anything biological to happen ever =/

Some people believe they are actually "A woman born in a mens body"

Kind of creeps me out, but I don't judge

I've learned in this past year that you really shouldn't care about people's sexual orientation, just let them be who they want to be, it's not like you can change their thinking.

Kilroy_x · 01-19-2011, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ichliebekase

Hmm. Do you mean ancestry genes or just genes that make up a brand new person?

=/

I mean, the flu. It's not genetic. You still get sick from it. This is a biological occurence. Biology =/= genes. So saying "being gay isn't a choice" doesn't require genes, at all, even if you're looking for a biological cause. One of the leading theories is that gay people are exposed to abormally high levels of certain hormones prenatally. This has LITERALLY NOTHING to do with genes, yet is still a biological explanation in which homosexuality is not a choice. So stop with the false association, it's killing me.

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Originally Posted by virus003

Some people believe they are actually "A woman born in a mens body"

Kind of creeps me out, but I don't judge

Don't be passive-aggressive.

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Originally Posted by virus003

I've learned in this past year that you really shouldn't care about people's sexual orientation, just let them be who they want to be, it's not like you can change their thinking.

Wrong words. Also a very crude and transparent mask for insecurities you have about your own beliefs.

Rubin0 · 01-19-2011, 11:12 PM

If people really had a choice whether they wanted to be gay or not, I really think there would be very few to no homosexuals. I don't know a single person that did not struggle for years with the idea of having to come out not only to their family but to a society that judges and openly hates them. Gay people have to come out on a daily basis. Every time they meet a new person they have to grapple with the decision whether they want to come out to them, essentially they have to decide whether they want to be honest or if they want to hide which is basically what society tells them they should do.

Homosexuals are the most universally hated group because people can justify their prejudice with religion. Who would willingly enter a life of ostracism and potential physical danger?

Kilroy_x · 01-19-2011, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Rubin0

Homosexuals are the most universally hated group because people can justify their prejudice with religion.

Bro. (*checks profile* er, sis)

Second most.

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Rubin0 · 01-19-2011, 11:14 PM

furries?? I am totally liberal, but I can't handle that shit. lolz

Kilroy_x · 01-19-2011, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Rubin0

furries??

Ahahaaha lolno

Rubin0 · 01-19-2011, 11:17 PM

Ah, I'm sorry. I really should have said the LGBT community. D'oh.

Kilroy_x · 01-19-2011, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Rubin0

Ah, I'm sorry. I really should have said the LGBT community. D'oh.

No it's ok, maintaining the distinction allowed me to one-up you. Or one-down you. Or whatever.

Also, it's like, LGBTQQIA or something last I checked.

NFD · 01-19-2011, 11:20 PM

Asexuality is stupid.

Kilroy_x · 01-19-2011, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by NFD

Asexuality is stupid.

That's not very nice either >:(

BlackTwisted · 01-19-2011, 11:31 PM

Hmm If it's for religious reasons..Then yes...being gay is wrong to them..well..no, scratch that, DOING homosexuality acts is wrong. It's not the fact that BEING gay is the problem, just the acts of it to the religious people sadly

But personally, I don't see it as wrong. I think it's actually nice to see same-sex couples...i'm bi-sexual myself (But I usually go for Males...cause I get along with them better.)

Kilroy_x · 01-19-2011, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackTwisted

Hmm If it's for religious reasons..Then yes...being gay is wrong to them..well..no, scratch that, DOING homosexuality acts is wrong. It's not the fact that BEING gay is the problem, just the acts of it to the religious people sadly

Yeah I totally get that distinction kind of like getting sick isn't wrong for Mormons but taking life saving medicine is.

BlackTwisted · 01-19-2011, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Kilroy_x

Yeah I totally get that distinction kind of like getting sick isn't wrong for Mormons but taking life saving medicine is.

I've NEVER heard anything like that from a religion before.

can't even take a life saving medicine that has a safe chance to for them to be alive? oh goodness...Mormons are something else...

NFD · 01-20-2011, 06:07 AM

That's uh, not Mormons you're thinking of.

01-19-2011, 05:43 PM	#461
Chrissi FFR Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: The Game Age: 37 Posts: 3,019	Re: Is it wrong to be gay? You guys are arguing this very strangely. I am a huge gay rights person and have tons of gay friends and have been involved in gay culture including going to pride, etc, for years. And yet, I don't believe that people are "born" gay or that there is a gay gene. I believe it's a combination of genetic predisposition and environment (the way you grew up and the culture/family values/etc) that makes someone gay. Of course people don't choose to be gay, but don't take this to mean that they must be born that way. The "It's genetic/it's a choice" binary way that most people seem to be looking at it is a false dichotomy. They are not born that way, and it's not a choice. Nobody has found a gay "gene". Show me where. And nobody is giving very good arguments as for why being gay MUST be innate and can't possibly be bred into someone through the things they are exposed to and the way they are treated growing up. __________________ C is for Charisma, it's why people think I'm great! I make my friends all laugh and smile and never want to hate!

01-19-2011, 06:55 PM	#462
Reincarnate x'); DROP TABLE FFR;-- Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 6,332	Re: Is it wrong to be gay? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHDCA...layer_embedded

01-19-2011, 07:39 PM	#463
ffraxis FFR Player Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 114	Re: Is it wrong to be gay? I don't know IS IT WRONG? what does it mean?

01-19-2011, 08:26 PM	#464
kommisar Dark Chancellor Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Moncton, NB Age: 33 Posts: 7,301	Re: Is it wrong to be gay? I always believed being gay to be more of a preference to a type of person, not gender. It just happens to be the same sex! __________________

01-19-2011, 10:55 PM	#465
Kilroy_x Little Chief Hare Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Colorado Age: 36 Posts: 783	Re: Is it wrong to be gay? I don't understand why people think genes are the only thing that causes anything biological to happen ever =/

01-19-2011, 11:12 PM	#469
Rubin0 FFR Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: New York Age: 35 Posts: 1,276	Re: Is it wrong to be gay? If people really had a choice whether they wanted to be gay or not, I really think there would be very few to no homosexuals. I don't know a single person that did not struggle for years with the idea of having to come out not only to their family but to a society that judges and openly hates them. Gay people have to come out on a daily basis. Every time they meet a new person they have to grapple with the decision whether they want to come out to them, essentially they have to decide whether they want to be honest or if they want to hide which is basically what society tells them they should do. Homosexuals are the most universally hated group because people can justify their prejudice with religion. Who would willingly enter a life of ostracism and potential physical danger? __________________ The weight of what I say depends on how you feel.

01-19-2011, 11:14 PM	#471
Rubin0 FFR Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: New York Age: 35 Posts: 1,276	Re: Is it wrong to be gay? furries?? I am totally liberal, but I can't handle that shit. lolz __________________ The weight of what I say depends on how you feel.

01-19-2011, 11:17 PM	#473
Rubin0 FFR Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: New York Age: 35 Posts: 1,276	Re: Is it wrong to be gay? Ah, I'm sorry. I really should have said the LGBT community. D'oh. __________________ The weight of what I say depends on how you feel.

01-19-2011, 11:20 PM	#475
NFD FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: I see us on a beach down in, Mexico Age: 31 Posts: 4,715	Re: Is it wrong to be gay? Asexuality is stupid. __________________

01-19-2011, 11:31 PM	#477
BlackTwisted FFR Player Join Date: Dec 2010 Age: 28 Posts: 2	Re: Is it wrong to be gay? Hmm If it's for religious reasons..Then yes...being gay is wrong to them..well..no, scratch that, DOING homosexuality acts is wrong. It's not the fact that BEING gay is the problem, just the acts of it to the religious people sadly But personally, I don't see it as wrong. I think it's actually nice to see same-sex couples...i'm bi-sexual myself (But I usually go for Males...cause I get along with them better.)

01-20-2011, 06:07 AM	#480
NFD FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: I see us on a beach down in, Mexico Age: 31 Posts: 4,715	Re: Is it wrong to be gay? That's uh, not Mormons you're thinking of. __________________

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