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I'm trying to figure out how you can even take AP Calculus as a freshman, that's way too much acceleration. Maybe it's because of where I come from, but the absolute minimum around here is eleventh grade.
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It's very healthy to start off your high school carrier in advanced maths & science courses because you'll then know whether you want to pursue a carrier in the maths & sciences (ex. engineering, aero, biochem, etc) or whether you want to pursue a more liberal arts & humanities carrier (ex. law, econ, poli sci, etc) or even both (ex. finance). All in all, pushy parents create prodigies and the 4.0 students that most of us have envied at one point in our lives. We even wish we had their grades, their skills, and that's where the difference comes in. The parents. |
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No, I've been through calc, I understand it just fine, but the way my schedule works there's too much prep before it to take it in ninth grade.
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Depends if the school allows acceleration.
At my school, if you could demonstrate that you understood everything preparatory for calculus, you could take calculus whenever you wanted. |
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I suppose that's true, I just didn't want to get embroiled with the college too much back then...
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I think Minati puts it very well. So-called "Chinese parenting" looks extreme because "Western parents" are too nervous. They think that any exertion of force will make them explode into a frenzy of distrust which, of course, no parent wants. There are some exaggerations in this article, of course, but some of the arguments do have a little sense to them if you think about it. In plays and musicals, the prospects of landing a big part involve a hundred things besides talent. Why bother with something that can, in some cases, be unwinnable?
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Helping children push their potentials is a good thing, doing so without knowing their true talents is not really..
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I'm more curious to find out how these children will act one they grow up and have their own kids. Will they do the same thing or take the exact opposite approach?
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It depends. Are they surrounded by the same environment that they grew up in? In that case, most likely. Are they more aware of pop culture forcing an idealized world where all people with IQs above 100 are soulless voids and all people with IQs below 100 need to "work" "hard" while keeping in mind that the importance of self-value and predestination might make it completely unimportant down everyone's throats? It depends on whether or not they succumb to peer pressure.
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On the other hand, hispancs simply have to cross the border. They have nothing to lose, since they're often poor from the beginning. As such, they want their children to work right after high school, so their children also are unable to obtain a post-secondary education. This is what creates the gap between immigrants from different countries, and the dichotomy in performance between Asian-Americans and Latin-Americans - there's already an inherent gap in resources and familial values from the start. Last edited by dag12; 01-9-2011 at 10:41 PM.. |
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"You wanna know how you can help your children?
Leave them the fuck alone!" -George Carlin http://www.snipeme.com/archive.php?y...no_selfdefense http://www.snipeme.com/archive.php?y...=victimization http://www.snipeme.com/archive.php?year=2005&rant=older http://www.snipeme.com/archive.php?y...tion_authority http://www.snipeme.com/archive.php?y...eist_fallacies My parents "leave me the fuck alone" (for the most part) and I can say that's the best thing they've ever done for me AT ALL, and also the reason why I've been able to get the highest grades I can possible and actually value my efforts
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Excerpted from http://www.snipeme.com/archive.php?y...no_selfdefense: "I, for one, hope this starts a trend. I hope more young people will respond to violence with violence. Many will say that I'm encouraging the destruction of the "traditional family" and to that I say you're goddamn right I am! When the vast majority of child abusers are parents, it is starkly clear that the traditional family is exactly the sort of place where bad things happen. " No, but really. The concept of inter-generational equality, as the website calls it, is ridiculous. Last edited by dag12; 01-10-2011 at 12:59 AM.. |
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Sorry to say, but leaving kids "the fuck alone" has never been a good parenting choice, if not the worst. That has been tested by time and time again. |
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http://www.snipeme.com/archive.php?y...tion_authority "One of the biggest bullshit lines that I hear from people all the time is that you shouldn't question authority, not even when authority is obviously wrong." The problem is, more often than not, parents are right - after all, they do have much more experience. They may not be infallible, but I'm almost certain that they're more capable of making a rational, intelligent decision than their child. I consult my parents all the time, and I respect them because they know what they're doing. Now, I'm not saying that children should always act obsequiously; I'm just saying that I don't think this article is particularly relevant to the parent-child relationship. I just don't think a parent-child relationship is one that can be entirely relegated to a authority figure-follower relationship. Last edited by dag12; 01-10-2011 at 01:13 AM.. |
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Main reason why I posted those is because interestingly enough, it seems like most of the child abuse actually occurs at the home according to statistical data.
There have been many cases where my parents simply just don't listen to me and they just yell at me to do something. And I have to lie to them, and I don't feel safe talking to them at all. They pretty much forced me to break any close ties whatsoever. So if any of you are willing to, elaborate more on why you think it is "ridiculous" please. |
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They're not "leaving you alone" - they just don't really care anymore because it's hopeless now. Especially not when you're off in the corner playing Stepmania (not saying you play it 24/7, but just stating some of your interests over other things, such as family matters, schoolwork, etcetera). I say this because I (think) I saw you post a thread when I didn't have an account about your schoolwork ethics and how you had no motivation.. or something along those lines. Assuming what I think is true, then maybe your parents do have a legitimate reason to yell at you, and maybe you don't have a legitimate reason to be ignoring them. It's not they who cut off close ties with you - it is you, the child. A parent would not do so, especially not if they're still sending you to school and "leaving you the fuck alone". Cutting off ties means divorces, non parental guardians, and much more. So I just think your parents gave up on you. That's my speculation, take my opinions with a grain of salt - they are not personal attacks but rather observations that I've made in my few days here on the forums. |
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This parenting is just FANTASTIC, when the parent's expectations are greater than the child's ability, you'll get some seriously fucked up kids because cussing them out, insulting them, and threatening them will ensue a fear of their 'Chinese mother' because they're not perfect. It's also a sticky situation when you barrage your children 5 hours a day for 10 years on the piano and it turns out that they don't like the piano. Now you have a kid who extremely good at piano, but not very good at anything else. Also, last time I checked, you have to be really damn good at music to make a decent living off of it, book smarts aren't a good backup without any 'street skills' to pair them with. Bottom line for me is to at least allow your kids to show some kind of genuine interest in something before you start unleashing hell on a warpath of fury to get your kid to be perfect at one specific skill. Not allowing your children to have a mind makes for a cookie cutter world. If all parents had piano prodigies, nobody would be a piano prodigy thus fucking up their future. I love how Amy Chua totally dismissed her husband's input on the matter at hand and continued to be a raging bitch. tl;dr: There are too many problems with this parenting style that will lead your child to have either a fucked up life or an unhappy one. Kids need to have a mind of their own and pursue what they excel at. /endrant EDIT @ Minati: Quit attacking Dossar for being good at Stepmania. You're making him sound like a punk who fails all his classes and is an ass to his parents, but as he stated before he gets good grades and is self-motivated. Just because he's good at SM and FFR doesn't mean he's completely shut out from the world.
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