Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

[bmah]

I'll be frank, but I don't know what ap (plus a bunch of other people listed here) would offer in regards to file judging.

[One Winged Angel]

man, ap stepped smudge

enough said

edit: to be completely honest, I think I'd make a pretty good judge even though no one's really played any of the files I've made...if you guys ever run short and are desperate for judges, give me a holler

[i love you]

I don't mind who judges to be honest but to those who are offering to become a judge, make sure you're able to do the following things:

• Being able to distinguish the numerous amount of errors in a file.
• Being able to step a simfile decently without help.
• Knowing the FFR judging system well and knowing how to rate files.

EDIT: Also, having experience judging for a legit pack of some sort is a bonus

Things that would AUTO Quality you as a judge IMO:

• If you're a Light/Dark Chancellor and you know how to find errors in a file.
• If you have judged for FFR in the past. (Before the site went down)
• If you are known to step good files on FFR or Stepmania and know about the FFR judging system.

As long as you have the following, I would think you're qualified enough to become a FFR judge.

Also, here's advice to those new people becoming judges for this batch and for future batches: Make sure to play the file first BEFORE looking in the editor. Why do i say this? Well, it's because when you play a file first, you will be able to tell if the file was fun or boring and you might even be able to find a few issues within the file itself just by playing it. If you go straight to the editor and judged the file without even playing it, there's a good chance that you will give the file a lower rating than it really is because you only based your rating on just the errors you found in the editor rather then rating the file by BOTH what you played and looked at in the editor.

Thing you should be aware of when judging a file IMO: (There's probably more i haven't stated)

• Do not reject a file mainly because of song choice. If you don't like the song, get over it. Don't use that as your main reason why you rejected a file. (Also, don't be surprised if you get raged at later when you do this)

• Tell the user where the main errors are located, don't just say that the file has errors and just leave it as that.

• Judge every file equally even if you think it's a joke file. Take it seriously. (I learned this the hard way)

• Try not to be an asshole when you judge a file. For example: "Wow dude, your file sucks balls. I could make a file better then this with my eyes closed..." or "WTF WERE YOU THINKING WHEN YOU MAKE MEASURE 69 A RAINBOW TRILL? NEVER STEP AGAIN" *Looks at Kory*

This is just what I think, feel free to comment/flame about it if you wish

[who_cares973]

Originally Posted by bmah

I'll be frank, but I don't know what ap (plus a bunch of other people listed here) would offer in regards to file judging.

yep. Only person id really want as a judge is arch but only because id like to see his take on files.


Also owa I didn't even know you stepped files wtf mang let me get my hands on those

[ichliebekase]

Knowing the judging system is an iffy thing to have put up there since there's been so much talk and consideration about changing it. But I have been reading up on old file reviews, I read deeply into my own reviews to see what I do need to look for, and I watched what a lot of judges did.

The checklist you gave Byron was actually pretty good. Most of it I already took into consideration, some of it I learned anew. As Jimerax said, we're backup judges for the time being. Even if I don't get to be a judge in this batch, I'll still be sitting down with other reviews to see what all gets done. I have a lot of time on my hands :P

For those that don't know, I've got about 8+ files in DF's engine so it's not like I've only stepped a few things before. I didn't get anything else except my resubmission in for this batch because I didn't get the permissions I wanted :/ but next batch I'm looking to get more in there.

[who_cares973]

Lol 8 files is still very little considering almost all the judges have 70+ files made

[ichliebekase]

So? That wasn't the point of me saying how many I had. It was to point out that I did have some and where they were. Please stop getting on my case Carlos.

[TC_Halogen]

Originally Posted by Niala

Fix'd.

I knew we had a couple of judges that had quit, or in some cases, "quit," so I suspected the might have needed more help. I'm not the most experienced, but I'm not a bad stepartist either. I figured throwing my name out there couldn't hurt, supposing JX was having trouble finding more judges... Sorry if I'm stepping on toes.

Oh, I didn't mean to come across that way -- I'm just surprised that all of a sudden, people feel like they want to help out. I could care less if people decide they want to volunteer, it's ultimately JX's decision to pick who he wants. I personally think you'd make a great backup judge (or fill-in for a primary, if spots are open).

[Xayphon]

Please, don't let this end in a drama again...

[Plan_Bsk81127]

Thing is about being a judge(and I was told this back when I offered) is that it doesnt matter how much time on your hands or whatever doesnt mean you would make a good judge. Anyone on this site could easily open then editor, play through and give their thoughts on the file, but it isnt that easy. People who can barely step a file themselves really shouldnt be judges because they yet to know how to step correctly themselves let alone point about what others are doing wrong. Having files on DF isnt anything to use as backup for having files. They're very lenient with judging and files are easily accepted there. You can tell since many people from DF submitted their files here in the last batch and a good chunk were rejected. With judges like Halo I can see how he judges differently between the two, over there he is pretty light on files, he comes to judge for FFR and he tightens up a bit because FFR is a little more ancy about what files get in. They are not 100% going for the fun factor in a file like DF's intentions might be. All in all to be a judge basically need to follow that list Rebound posted. We already had a few people that imo that snuck away with being a judge when they shouldnt have, really dont need more. Even being a backup and not knowing what you are doing isnt good because if you end up having to take action for someone who didnt do their notes, you are not going to be any help at all.

[bob bob]

DRAMA O SHI

also arch0wl as judge, lol this should be interesting

EDIT:

Originally Posted by Plan_Bsk81127

Having files on DF isnt anything to use as backup for having files. They're very lenient with judging and files are easily accepted there.

Couldn't agree more

[iironiic]

For future references, is being a backup judge a one time commitment? I wouldn't want to be a judge despite how busy I am all the time, but I'm considering being a backup judge sometime in the future when I stepped enough files.

[ichliebekase]

For everyone who keeps saying "drama blah blah blah" you guys are the ones who are going to start crap. I took it out of the thread to Jimerax personally. If he sees Jeff [Niala] and I to be fit judges, then he'll put us in. We're back-up judges for the time being and if you guys have a problem with Jimerax's opinion then take it up with him personally.

[Plan_Bsk81127]

Lol, I dont see anyone starting drama except you. Everyone here is simply stating that for these newer people coming in to be judges need to realize that it is not that easy to become one as you might think it is. You are just getting upset because you fall in with those new people and dont like hearing people not wanting someone like you as a judge. So you are the one being defensive and is going to have drama started up.

[ichliebekase]

Originally Posted by Plan_Bsk81127

Lol, I dont see anyone starting drama except you. Everyone here is simply stating that for these newer people coming in to be judges need to realize that it is not that easy to become one as you might think it is. You are just getting upset because you fall in with those new people and dont like hearing people not wanting someone like you as a judge. So you are the one being defensive and is going to have drama started up.

I'm trying to understand how I'm starting drama...good joke there ;]

[who_cares973]

Originally Posted by ichliebekase

So? That wasn't the point of me saying how many I had. It was to point out that I did have some and where they were. Please stop getting on my case Carlos.

Originally Posted by ichliebekase

I've got about 8+ files in DF's engine so it's not like I've only stepped a few things before.

You said its not like you only stepped a few files. All I did was point out that 8 is indeed very few files. Take it easy its not like I'm -just- picking on you. Every person that's wanted to be a judge/backup judge that I didn't think would be suited for the job I've tolde them and you're no different.

Ps I'm just tired of people going"hey I stepped a file I could be a backup judge :B"

[ichliebekase]

Originally Posted by who_cares973

You said its not like you only stepped a few files. All I did was point out that 8 is indeed very few files. Take it easy its not like I'm -just- picking on you. Every person that's wanted to be a judge/backup judge that I didn't think would be suited for the job I've tolde them and you're no different.

Ps I'm just tired of people going"hey I stepped a file I could be a backup judge :B"

I understand that 8 is few, and I understand that I still need work on my files. But what is kind of insulting is how everyone is assuming that new judges aren't going to be able to judge well at all. I just think we need to be given a chance and if we screw up then obviously we'd be gone for a while as judges.

Let's all just wait and see what happens.

[who_cares973]

Originally Posted by ichliebekase

I understand that 8 is few, and I understand that I still need work on my craftsmanship But what is kind of insulting is how everyone is assuming that new bridge builders aren't going to be able to build bridges well at all. I just think we need to be given a chance and if we screw up then obviously we'd be gone for a while as judges.

Let's all just wait and see what happens.

See what I did there? There's a reason why experience is required

[who_cares973]

Awesome idea except the step 30 seconds in 30 minutes. Seems pointless. I was actually going to do the first bit myself lol. I was going to step a file with intentional errors and have some people test them out to see if they're of to snuff

I wouldn't mind that implemented at all

[Arch0wl]

I can understand why some drama would result from judge selection. It's a vague thing, and it's extremely presumptuous for someone to say they can do it better than you.

I think the most important quality a judge can have is an authority built from experience in the community. Not because this will make him/her a better judge, but because people are less likely to say they deserve it more. Second to that, you should have (1) the ability to provide constructive feedback: "here's what I liked, here's what I think would make your file better", and (2) a tendency to get the judging done right away, because no one wants to wait forever to have their file judged.